Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh
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No he did not. Thomas said
My Lord and my God
Can you tell me who was the God of Israel who appeared to 74 Israelite leaders in Ex 24:9-11?
The Father cannot have appeared to them as the Father has never been seen John 6:46
God told Moses who would accompany the Israelites in the preceding chapter Ex 23:20-22
And Paul was specific as to who this was 1 Cor 10:4
So it is easier to understand Davids words in Psalm 110:1
The Lord said to my Lord
Sit at my right hand until. I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
And Elizabeths words in Luke 1:43
Whjy am I so favoured that the mother of my Lord should come to visit me
Hence also Thomas' words
My Lord and my God
Christ was the God of Israel in the OT
David, Elizabeth and Thomas were all Israelites
But as Christ said three chapters earlier when praying to his Father
That they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. True being the important word
My Lord and my God
Can you tell me who was the God of Israel who appeared to 74 Israelite leaders in Ex 24:9-11?
The Father cannot have appeared to them as the Father has never been seen John 6:46
God told Moses who would accompany the Israelites in the preceding chapter Ex 23:20-22
And Paul was specific as to who this was 1 Cor 10:4
So it is easier to understand Davids words in Psalm 110:1
The Lord said to my Lord
Sit at my right hand until. I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
And Elizabeths words in Luke 1:43
Whjy am I so favoured that the mother of my Lord should come to visit me
Hence also Thomas' words
My Lord and my God
Christ was the God of Israel in the OT
David, Elizabeth and Thomas were all Israelites
But as Christ said three chapters earlier when praying to his Father
That they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. True being the important word
Hey Bro, Can you tell me who the Lord is in this passage spoken of by Noah in Gen 9?
26 And he said:
“ Blessed be the LORD,
The God of Shem,
And may Canaan be his servant. 27 May God enlarge Japheth,
And may he dwell in the tents of Shem;
And may Canaan be his servant.”
26 And he said:
“ Blessed be the LORD,
The God of Shem,
And may Canaan be his servant. 27 May God enlarge Japheth,
And may he dwell in the tents of Shem;
And may Canaan be his servant.”
In Ex 23:20-22 it would have been the Father speaking Himself I believe for he spoke of Christ as the 'angel of the Lord' going with the Israelites on their journey
I haven't gone into this in depth as much as some have, but I have heard it said(corrctly IMO) that sometimes the Father is speaking and sometimes the son in the OT
So if a human spoke to the person they believed was GOD' as when Jacob wrestled with 'God' he could not have wrestled with the Father
So if Noah was refering to the Lord he had seen it must be Christ
But don't forget, according to Paul in 1 Cor 6:7 there are are a great many Gods and Lords in Heaven and on earth, but for us there is but one God, the Father.
And don't forget, David speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit refered to two Lords
I freely admit I am no expert on all of this, but when we move to the God of Israel I believe it is clear, this was Christ
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I believe that when a human saw 'God' as it were they saw Christ who spoke the words of God as in the Gospels
In Ex 23:20-22 it would have been the Father speaking Himself I believe for he spoke of Christ as the 'angel of the Lord' going with the Israelites on their journey
I haven't gone into this in depth as much as some have, but I have heard it said(corrctly IMO) that sometimes the Father is speaking and sometimes the son in the OT
So if a human spoke to the person they believed was GOD' as when Jacob wrestled with 'God' he could not have wrestled with the Father
So if Noah was refering to the Lord he had seen it must be Christ
But don't forget, according to Paul in 1 Cor 6:7 there are are a great many Gods and Lords in Heaven and on earth, but for us there is but one God, the Father.
And don't forget, David speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit refered to two Lords
I freely admit I am no expert on all of this, but when we move to the God of Israel I believe it is clear, this was Christ
In Ex 23:20-22 it would have been the Father speaking Himself I believe for he spoke of Christ as the 'angel of the Lord' going with the Israelites on their journey
I haven't gone into this in depth as much as some have, but I have heard it said(corrctly IMO) that sometimes the Father is speaking and sometimes the son in the OT
So if a human spoke to the person they believed was GOD' as when Jacob wrestled with 'God' he could not have wrestled with the Father
So if Noah was refering to the Lord he had seen it must be Christ
But don't forget, according to Paul in 1 Cor 6:7 there are are a great many Gods and Lords in Heaven and on earth, but for us there is but one God, the Father.
And don't forget, David speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit refered to two Lords
I freely admit I am no expert on all of this, but when we move to the God of Israel I believe it is clear, this was Christ
At least your not on par with the oneness who state Jesus is just a part of the father, and not a separate unified being.
DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT "MY GOD" IS MY GOD? PERIOD?
OK
I have answered some of your questions, your turn to answer a couple of mine
Then the end wil;l come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power
For he(Christ) must reign until he has put all his enbemies under his feet
The last enemy to be destroyed is death
For he has put everything under his feet. Now when itv says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, then the son Himself will become SUBJECT to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all
1 Cor 15:24-28
What is Paul saying in the above verses, especially the highlighted areas?
Yet for us therre is BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM whom all thingfs came and FOR whom we live, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST(note this is in addition to our one God, the Father which backs up John 17:3) THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROIUGH WHOM we live
1 Cor 8:6
So according to Christ and Paul there is only one God(triue God) the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ
No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, on;ly he has seen the Father
John 6:46
John lived with Christ for three years while he was on earth, whar did John say
No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12
So John and Christ must have been referiong to the same person, the Father the one true God
So, John Paul and Christ all agree, the Father is the one true God
When you explain your thoughts on all of my scriptures I will answer more questions of yours
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I think you have to realize, Much like Scott in the revelation and councils thread. When you ask them to talk about a particular scripture they refuse. because they can't. People like this take their own biases and words of men as Gospel truth and hold them above God. And when confronted, much like Christ confronted the pharisees, The only reply they have is to change the subject, or make attacks against you. And yes, your right. It is because of Pride. Pride keeps many from seeing Gods truth, and keeps many that might have gods truth from knowing how to share it with others. because they do not know how to answer basic questions. like th eone you have asked over and over now.
Yes, man is in God's image and likeness. But man is not exactly the same as God. To try to make God exactly the same as man in a spirit, soul, body, is a gnostic mistake. Take care. It assumes private, philosophical knowledge and spurious exegesis of the Greek NT.
Just because a person can rattle off a few Greek words doesn't mean he understands the basic, simple message of the NT. God is Trinity. God is incarnate in the man, Jesus Christ. Christ died. Christ is risen. Christ will come again. That's the whole basic NT in just 5 basic sentences. Take care. God bless! In Erie PA Scott
PS When I ask you to talk about a particular Scripture, Rev. 1:1, it is you who refuse. You don't want to deal with the term "shortly", and instead place Revelation 2000 or more years out into the unknown (unknowable?) future, and ignore the context of the first verse of the Apocalypse. If God had wished us to believe that most of the things in Revelation would not happen "shortly", he would have said, "These things will happen a couple millennia later". The book itself clearly reveals that most of Revelation is past, with just a brief appendix for the eternal future in Revelation 21, 22, which clearly don't deal with events in human history, but outside of time and beyond simple time and space as we now experience them. In Erie Scott
Well the question must be asked then. If Christ was not the God of Noah in the OT, And he was not God until Israel came. Who was Christ before Israel? (Note also that the ninivites (gentiles) even called the God of Jonah God, not Jonah's God, But God)
At least your not on par with the oneness who state Jesus is just a part of the father, and not a separate unified being.
At least your not on par with the oneness who state Jesus is just a part of the father, and not a separate unified being.
I think we need to remember that Christ was hidden in God in the OT, is that how Paul put it? Something like that anyway.
I do not profess to be an expert on Genesis or have I really studied whether Christ or the Father would be considered the God of Noah or many others. It is not something I have really reflected on. I have never considered it important to think of
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So, you ask us to accept beforehand that the true interpretation of a particular Scripture you are asking for discussion will be rightly interpreted by you. You assume you can rightly interpret a Scripture, but you presume that we can't.
No Scott. I am asking you to show me where I am wrong in my interpretation. And not just tell me I am wrong, you are right, end of story. If your right, you could show me where3 I am wrong without having to use excuses. Think of what you just said. you just contradicted yourself. it is wrong for me to assume I am right. But it is ok for me to assume someone else is. What an oxymoron!
When you give me a passage and say this is what you think it means, I do not tell you you are wrong. I show you why I can not believe your interpretation. Is it wrong for me to ask the same of you?
I'm not assuming that you don't know what a particular Scripture means. But you seem to be accusing us of Scriptural ignorance, because we do not respond directly to your many inquiries into particular Scriptures.
Scott. If someone does not respond to show you where you are wrong, And instead change subject, or make personal attacks. anyone would question their reasoning. If you can't show me, admit it. at least I would respect you more. Telling me to listen to men, yet telling me at the same time you do not. is just another oxymoron!
What we are protesting (what I am protesting) is that you randomly pick and choose various Scriptures to try to defend your own pet doctrines. If you show yourself to be against the two natures of Christ, His incarnation, or against the Holy Trinity, you show yourself to be an enemy of the Gospel and an enemy of the truth. Do you believe in the Holy Trinity? If so, you rightly understand the Scripture. If not, you are twisting the Scriptures (2 Peter 3:16), and you don't know the plain meaning of the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that says the Father is soul, the Son is body, and the Spirit is spirit. That is more gnosticism than Scripture. It's an old God is one person myth. Or to try to make God into one tripartite human person. Trying to draw too close a parallel between the Godhead and a human person. That's a mistake. God is transcendant, and there is no exact analogy to humans as persons to the persons of God. Yes, man is in God's image and likeness. But man is not exactly the same as God. To try to make God exactly the same as man in a spirit, soul, body, is a gnostic mistake. Take care. It assumes private, philosophical knowledge and spurious exegesis of the Greek NT.
Just because a person can rattle off a few Greek words doesn't mean he understands the basic, simple message of the NT. God is Trinity. God is incarnate in the man, Jesus Christ. Christ died. Christ is risen. Christ will come again. That's the whole basic NT in just 5 basic sentences. Take care. God bless! In Erie PA Scott
Just because a person can rattle off a few Greek words doesn't mean he understands the basic, simple message of the NT. God is Trinity. God is incarnate in the man, Jesus Christ. Christ died. Christ is risen. Christ will come again. That's the whole basic NT in just 5 basic sentences. Take care. God bless! In Erie PA Scott
I believe in the trinity. That was not what I was saying. I was saying the man has asked both of you many times to explain a verse to him, yet not once have I seen any of you do it. This is wrong!
PS When I ask you to talk about a particular Scripture, Rev. 1:1, it is you who refuse. You don't want to deal with the term "shortly",
Dude you better take that back. I responded to it, and even showed how shortly is not always mean immediately. You yet again prove you do not read anything I post. And you wonder why I am so hard on you!!
and instead place Revelation 2000 or more years out into the unknown (unknowable?) future, and ignore the context of the first verse of the Apocalypse. If God had wished us to believe that most of the things in Revelation would not happen "shortly", he would have said, "These things will happen a couple millennia later". The book itself clearly reveals that most of Revelation is past, with just a brief appendix for the eternal future in Revelation 21, 22, which clearly don't deal with events in human history, but outside of time and beyond simple time and space as we now experience them. In Erie Scott
Thats ok. I look at scripture literally. You, as your church has since it closed down the literal theological schools in the 300's, Use an allegorical approach. And I even understand why. because a literal interpretation would make your belief system crash!
If we take revelation literal. as ALL prophesy has been fulfilled up to Christ, Revelations has not even started yet.
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Lety me say I do not profess to have all the answers to every scripture. I have never met anyone from either side of the argument who can answer every scripture put to them and I do not(to my shame) read the OT as much as I should
I think we need to remember that Christ was hidden in God in the OT, is that how Paul put it? Something like that anyway.
I do not profess to be an expert on Genesis or have I really studied whether Christ or the Father would be considered the God of Noah or many others. It is not something I have really reflected on. I have never considered it important to think of
I think we need to remember that Christ was hidden in God in the OT, is that how Paul put it? Something like that anyway.
I do not profess to be an expert on Genesis or have I really studied whether Christ or the Father would be considered the God of Noah or many others. It is not something I have really reflected on. I have never considered it important to think of
Well, not to push ya any brother. But try. I think you will have a more appreciation for what Jesus gave up, and what he did for you if you see who he is.
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Lety me say I do not profess to have all the answers to every scripture. I have never met anyone from either side of the argument who can answer every scripture put to them and I do not(to my shame) read the OT as much as I should
I think we need to remember that Christ was hidden in God in the OT, is that how Paul put it? Something like that anyway.
I do not profess to be an expert on Genesis or have I really studied whether Christ or the Father would be considered the God of Noah or many others. It is not something I have really reflected on. I have never considered it important to think of
I think we need to remember that Christ was hidden in God in the OT, is that how Paul put it? Something like that anyway.
I do not profess to be an expert on Genesis or have I really studied whether Christ or the Father would be considered the God of Noah or many others. It is not something I have really reflected on. I have never considered it important to think of
This is how you reply when you do not know or understand something. This is much more respectful that saying you should listen to me or my church. I have great respect for livingbygrace even though we disagree on some things.
Col 2:9
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
2 Cor 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Mal 3:6
I am the LORD, and I do not change.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
2 Cor 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Mal 3:6
I am the LORD, and I do not change.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Well, not to push ya any brother. But try. I think you will have a more appreciation for what Jesus gave up, and what he did for you if you see who he is.
PPS is right
The difference here is not concerning the nature of the son, but the title given if you see what I mean
The Spirit exhibits in Christ. The fulness of the Godhead bodily rests in Christ.
The words of the Father are spoken through the son
All things were made THROUGH the son
The son was with the Father from the begining.
You can say that Christ was the God people refered to in Genesis, but I do not believe Christ is the one true God, scripture is clear on that, only the Father is the one true God.
The only way a person can say that Christ is God Himself is by dismissing much very plain scripture, this is unarguable, and I personally could never do that
Col 2:9
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
2 Cor 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Mal 3:6
I am the LORD, and I do not change.
Those are the answers to your questions, eternally-gratefull.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
2 Cor 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Mal 3:6
I am the LORD, and I do not change.
Those are the answers to your questions, eternally-gratefull.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Well this is a perfect example of most who say Christ is God Himself and if you do not believe he is you have no eternal life
You put points and scripture to me which I answer. I ask you to give me your interpretations of the scripture I put before you and YOU ignore them and will not/cannot comemnt on them, but you just place more verses before me
I jiust hope the independant observer notices this. You simply prove your opinions are based on man and his teaching, not scripture for you cannot answer the scriptures put before you, and yet you believe you have the authority to say what was it? I am not of the true seed?
And BTW I could answer all of your scriptures but in a debate BOTH people should answer the points put to them by the other, you have not so how can we have a debate?
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You simply prove your opinions are based on man and his teaching
That is GODS TEACHING. not ours.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV / 3 helpful votes
All Scripture is breathed out by God
S
No Scott. I am asking you to show me where I am wrong in my interpretation. And not just tell me I am wrong, you are right, end of story. If your right, you could show me where3 I am wrong without having to use excuses. Think of what you just said. you just contradicted yourself. it is wrong for me to assume I am right. But it is ok for me to assume someone else is. What an oxymoron![/b]
When you give me a passage and say this is what you think it means, I do not tell you you are wrong. I show you why I can not believe your interpretation. Is it wrong for me to ask the same of you?
Scott. If someone does not respond to show you where you are wrong, And instead change subject, or make personal attacks. anyone would question their reasoning. If you can't show me, admit it. at least I would respect you more. Telling me to listen to men, yet telling me at the same time you do not. is just another oxymoron!
I believe in the trinity. That was not what I was saying. I was saying the man has asked both of you many times to explain a verse to him, yet not once have I seen any of you do it. This is wrong!
Dude you better take that back. I responded to it, and even showed how shortly is not always mean immediately. You yet again prove you do not read anything I post. And you wonder why I am so hard on you!!
Thats ok. I look at scripture literally. You, as your church has since it closed down the literal theological schools in the 300's, Use an allegorical approach. And I even understand why. because a literal interpretation would make your belief system crash!
If we take revelation literal. as ALL prophesy has been fulfilled up to Christ, Revelations has not even started yet.
When you give me a passage and say this is what you think it means, I do not tell you you are wrong. I show you why I can not believe your interpretation. Is it wrong for me to ask the same of you?
Scott. If someone does not respond to show you where you are wrong, And instead change subject, or make personal attacks. anyone would question their reasoning. If you can't show me, admit it. at least I would respect you more. Telling me to listen to men, yet telling me at the same time you do not. is just another oxymoron!
I believe in the trinity. That was not what I was saying. I was saying the man has asked both of you many times to explain a verse to him, yet not once have I seen any of you do it. This is wrong!
Dude you better take that back. I responded to it, and even showed how shortly is not always mean immediately. You yet again prove you do not read anything I post. And you wonder why I am so hard on you!!
Thats ok. I look at scripture literally. You, as your church has since it closed down the literal theological schools in the 300's, Use an allegorical approach. And I even understand why. because a literal interpretation would make your belief system crash!
If we take revelation literal. as ALL prophesy has been fulfilled up to Christ, Revelations has not even started yet.
DEAR ETERNALLY GRATEFUL,
Do you really believe in the literal sense and interpretation of Scripture in every instance?
For example, when Christ said, "I am the door", did He mean that He is a wooden plank with a knob in the middle?! Of course not! The Bible must be interpreted IN CONTEXT. If the context is literal, the passage can be given a literal sense. If allegorical, it can be given an allegorical sense, or a typological sense, or a symbolic sense, or a parabolic sense, or a factual sense, or a doctrinal sense, whichever sense of the context makes sense in context. I am sorry if I thought you don't believe in the Trinity. There are so many people on this website, I lose track of who is saying what about God. I just start assuming everyone out there is anti-Trinitarian. My mistake. My memory is fallible.
Also, may I ask you a simple question: What DO you make of Revelation 1:1? I will ask you to make sense of this verse. You can ask me ANY QUESTION WHATSOEVER, and ask me to interpret the Bible. I cannot guarantee I know the true meaning of the Bible in every instance, but I do have a complete Bible commentary set in my personal library that I can rely on, and it is patristic. My presupposition is that the Church Fathers can be trusted. Some presuppose and have as their basic axiom that the Church Fathers of the first 400 years of the Church CANNOT be trusted, but that WE CAN ONLY TRUST WHAT SOMEONE SAID ABOUT THE BIBLE IN THE LAST 200 YEARS, FROM 1800 TO 2000 AND SO ON. THAT THE TRUTH MUST BE RECENT, AND ONLY RECENTLY DID WE DISCOVER THE TRUE AND REAL SENSE OF THE BIBLE IN OUR BIBLE TEACHERS, THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WROTE IN THE NINETEENTH AND TWENTIETH CENTURY. PEOPLE BEFORE THEN WERE IGNORANT, WHEREAS WE ARE ENLIGHTENED, AND WE ARE NOT PROUD. WHEREAS THE CHURCH FATHERS ARE ALL PROUD, AND WERE UNENLIGHTENED, SO WE CAN LOOK DOWN ON THEM. ALSO, WE ARE CORRECTING THE ERRORS OF MARTIN LUTHER, AND WE KNOW BETTER THAN HIM. AND SOME OF US ARE THE BEST MOST CORRECT CHARISMATICS AND PENTECOSTALS, AND WE TEACH WEALTH AND PROSPERITY FOR ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS, IN OUR WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT.
BUT OF COURSE, I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU YOURSELF BELIEVE IN ANY OF THIS NONSENSE.
BUT IF YOU, OR IF I, COME UP WITH A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE, IT SHOULD HAVE FOUND A PRECEDENT IN THE FIRST 451 YEARS OF THE CHURCH, UP TILL THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON. WE SHOULD HAVE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR OUR FAITH, IF IT IS TRULY CHRISTIAN. IT WILL BE PRESENT IN THE EARLY CHURCH. YES, IN ALL OF THE CHURCH FATHERS.
So, here goes. What do YOU understand by the word "shortly" in the following passage: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His servants -- things which must shortly take place" Rev. 1:1 NKJV
What does SHORTLY mean? Which things in Revelation happened shortly? Which things in Revelation, if ANY, did not happen shortly, but which have yet to happen? And can you show, prove, and produce clear and simple evidence that they have NOT happened yet?
And, if you can show that they haven't happened yet, which of the Church Fathers said that they have not happened yet? PATRISTIC EVIDENCE, please! Take care.
GOD BLESS YOU. IN ERIE PA USA PS Which verse are you asking me to explain, that I have passed over many times? What Bible verse or verses do you want me to comment upon? Take care.
That whole post was Scripture alone, AFTER EDITS.
That is GODS TEACHING. not ours.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV / 3 helpful votes
All Scripture is breathed out by God
That is GODS TEACHING. not ours.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV / 3 helpful votes
All Scripture is breathed out by God
And I asked you to comment on the SCRIPTURE I placed before you and you simply ignored it, and as you say spirit breathed scripture
And this after I spent time explaining my thoughts on the scripture you placed before me
I have to be honest. I see much weakness in understanding scripture from those who say unless we believe that Christ is God Himself we can have no eternal life
And the answer is plain. They believe something that is not Biblical and they can give no scripture to back up that belief. Therefore they cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit to believe as they do because they are contradicting what Christ said was neccessary to believe to have eternal life
IT IS JUST MAN MADE THEOLOGY, NOT HOLY SPIRIT LED BELIEF BASED ON SCRIPTURE
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