Jesus Fully God and Fully man - Chalcedon

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No, even then I believe we can apply John 14 to Jesus at 12 years old.
In the Gospel of John, Jesus told His Disciples, [WHAT I SAY AND DO IS NOT ME DOING BUT THE {FATHER
} LIVING INSIDE ME DOING IT]. It's always been the Father doing it since birth!
It doesn't say since Birth. This is only about before Baptism.
 
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Christ's Spirit was in control of the Baby. It doesn't mean the body itself was Devine yet.
 
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The Body became Devine at Baptism, He was ready to take on the Cross from that point forward.
 
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None of you want to consider the process God had to go through to save us. You want to attack me for wanting to make a bigger deal out of what John the Baptist saw, ..ridiculous, all of you, wake up.
 
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Why would God bother making John the Baptist if Jesus could have just done it Himself or picked someone random?
 
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Is there a rule somewhere that says His physical body must be Devine the entire time? Jesus still gets to be God controlling the human body.
 
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I disagree!
Even today, how the Hebrew is written in the Tanakh, there is no place that one would think triune. It wasn't until English translated that suddenly we think there is a sign of triune in the Old Testament. Remove the English translation and go back to the actual/literal Hebrew, and this is why the Jews deny the trinity!
This is not true. even in the OT the trinity was seen.

One of the best passages which show this is seen in Isaiah 48!

“Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.

14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.

16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
[c]Have sent Me.”


the first and the last is the son, The redeemer. and the God of Isreal He is the one who spoke to Moses in the bush.

This same God of Isreal was sent by the father and the spirit.

As jesus said, Before abraham was, literally, I am who I am, or I always existed (in the greek ego eime, which by the way is the same words in the greek Septuagint of the OT used when God gave moses his name at the fiery bush translated in most english bibles. I am who I am) which is why they picked up stones to stone him for blasphemy. He claimed to be God. amd they knew it
 
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Was Jesus fully God via Christ's Spirit at birth, but the body wasn't fully God until Baptism? Wouldn't the Body have a hard time aging if it was full at Birth?
He was God when born. His baptism did not make him God.
 
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No, even then I believe we can apply John 14 to Jesus at 12 years old.
In the Gospel of John, Jesus told His Disciples, [WHAT I SAY AND DO IS NOT ME DOING BUT THE {FATHER
} LIVING INSIDE ME DOING IT]. It's always been the Father doing it since birth!
Thats because Jesus layed aside his characteristics, and became man.
 
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None of you want to consider the process God had to go through to save us. You want to attack me for wanting to make a bigger deal out of what John the Baptist saw, ..ridiculous, all of you, wake up.
really? And how is this supposed to help anyone?
 
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Is there a rule somewhere that says His physical body must be Devine the entire time? Jesus still gets to be God controlling the human body.
His physical body was never devine, If it was, He could never die. Jesus felt pain, He suffered and he died.
 
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His physical body was never devine, If it was, He could never die. Jesus felt pain, He suffered and he died.
So, you are contradicting yourself? Something different happened at Baptism, I want to know what it was. Doesn't Christ have to be Devine on the Cross for it to count for all sins? Devine doesn't mean Jesus can't let death happen.
 
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So, you are contradicting yourself? Something different happened at Baptism, I want to know what it was. Doesn't Christ have to be Devine on the Cross for it to count for all sins? Devine doesn't mean Jesus can't let death happen.
How did I contradict myself?

in my view Nothing different happened. He was the same man, His body did not change, If anything the only thing different was the the HS came upon him or anointed him. He was the same person. His body did not change.
 
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If Jesus could Baptize Himself, it would have automatically had happened at Birth. This was all part of the plan. The Baptism was set for a specific date.

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You need to look at the OT. As high priest Arron was baptized by Moses in the Jordan.

Jesus did not need to be saved, He did not need to be cleansed, He did not need any of this, he was without sin But as arron was witnessed by the people to become high priest by being washed or baptized by moses in the river. Jesus was also, so that those who witnessed him could confirm and be a witness that he was the messiah.

As john said, this is why he came baptizing. So he could witness that who who immediately comes out and he sees the spirit descend like a dove and come on him is the one..
 
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What does it mean for Jesus not to be the Ultimate High Priest beforehand? Why do we bother talking about the Dove unless it was something new?
 
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Was Jesus Anointed at Baptism? Then why are claiming there was a connection to the Holy Spirit of the Human Side beforehand?
 
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What does it mean for Jesus not to be the Ultimate High Priest beforehand? Why do we bother talking about the Dove unless it was something new?
Again study the OT

it was done as a witness, John bore witness of who he was

John 1:31
I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel