Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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Mediate

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Nest, exactly!!

God is not a tyrannic God with no sense of what is inside our hearts.

God feels what we feel, knows all there is to know about EVERYTHING! It all came from God originally anyway. Even Satan! Even time itself. Every birth, God knew before anything even existed. He knew me in the very beginning when it was only Him!!

God allowed us to be created. He is in all and through all. He knows me better than I know myself.

God is not just unconditionally loving, He is unconditionally present in time and space and life and love and hearts and minds, searching and planning and knowing, creating.
 
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ozell

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Mediate said:
Nest, exactly!!

God is not a tyrannic God with no sense of what is inside our hearts.

God feels what we feel, knows all there is to know about EVERYTHING! It all came from God originally anyway. Even Satan! Even time itself. Every birth, God knew before anything even existed. He knew me in the very beginning when it was only Him!!

God allowed us to be created. He is in all and through all. He knows me better than I know myself.

God is not just unconditionally loving, He is unconditionally present in time and space and life and love and hearts and minds, searching and planning and knowing, creating.
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Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

He gave us all a choice life or death !
 
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ozell

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Nest said:
Remember God "is" Love, he is not a God. He is Understanding, He is long suffering, He is Love! He is. James 13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; See He is Righteous.
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This God of love drowned a entire creation an burned 2 cities and 5 suburbs. This God of love will create a lake of fire for the wicked who you all say he love when you say God loves everyone.
 
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ReinItIn said:
i can't seem to pull up the beginning of this thread to see the original post . I am wondering if romans 8 has already been part of this discussion. There is the law of the Spirit of life and there is the Law of Sin and death. All flesh is condemned by God. So what is the law of the Spirit? What is the Law of sin and death? what Law and ruler was man under till Christ came? What law and ruler is man under Now that he is at the right hand of the Father?

Seems to me both laws are working, both rulers have there kingdom till Christ returns and the prince of this World is removed.
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The thread is about whether God's love is unconditional or conditional.

But Rick wants to debate the circumcision

I'm going back to what I created it for God don't love everyone

Please Join in
 
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ozell

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Abiding said:
Jesus put an end to animal sacrifices..yes
He fulfilled commandments so we could be one with Him and the Father and also establish them
which feast day did He not fulfill? He fulfilled them all...but the consumation at His return
Circumcision was changed from the flesh to the heart...you know that.
Dietary laws were loosed by Peters vision...you know that also.
Yes every word..i agree.
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Show me where Jesus fulfilled the commandments, feast or circumcision

Either you are wrong or the apostles who continued to keep all the laws of God after Jesus resurrection
 
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RickShafer said:
What I'm saying is you would save yourself and those that heed you alot of trouble
if you would separate the law from prophetic types and shadows.
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Who told you that the types a d shadows is any laws other than the law of animal sacrifice?

Who told you this?
 
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Why is the God of Love Jesus gathering armies to Armageddon ?

He love everyone according to most here

Revelation 16:15-16 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
 
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ozell

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Here is the word for all you NT Christians

Take note at what the people you say that God loves are saying

Revelation 6:12-17 (KJV)
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; [13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. [15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

It seems to me that God DON'T love everyone even in the NT
 
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Just listen to yourself! God IS love, just not to everyone!?

God is not a respecter of persons...... Unless you're female!?

What do you all make God out to be who changes not?
 
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Go to the history books and read about this event

God had 1 angel kill 185,000 Assyrians

Why would the God of Love do this?

Isaiah 37:33-37 (KJV)
Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shields, nor cast a bank against it. [34] By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord . [35] For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. [36] Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. [37] So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.
 
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angelofmercy

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ozell said:
Go to the history books and read about this event

God had 1 angel kill 185,000 Assyrians

Why would the God of Love do this?

Isaiah 37:33-37 (KJV)
Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shields, nor cast a bank against it. [34] By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord . [35] For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. [36] Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. [37] So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.
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It is ONLY God who kills Ozell! Didn't He tell you that NO MAN can take ANY OTHER MAN'S life unless given him from above.
 
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ozell

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What we have here is a misunderstanding concerning God. If you think that God loves everyone you have not read the bible and you listen to your doctrine. God do not love everyone if he did he would not kill anyone and he would not have created satan and in the future the lake of fire.

God is not a respecter of people

Pay attention to what is written in the NT by the chief apostle

Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: [35] But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


In order to be accepted by God we have to fear him and work righteousness

Conditions!
 
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ozell

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angelofmercy said:
It is ONLY God who kills Ozell! Didn't He tell you that NO MAN can take ANY OTHER MAN'S life unless given him from above.
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AoM

Why is the God who loves everyone killing?

Man kills also AOM the first death
 
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ozell said:
What we have here is a misunderstanding concerning God. If you think that God loves everyone you have not read the bible and you listen to your doctrine. God do not love everyone if he did he would not kill anyone and he would not have created satan and in the future the lake of fire.

God is not a respecter of people

Pay attention to what is written in the NT by the chief apostle

Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: [35] But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


In order to be accepted by God we have to fear him and work righteousness

Conditions!
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The same can be said about you. Love is the work of righteousness! There is no law against it!
 
angelofmercy

angelofmercy

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ozell said:
AoM

Why is the God who loves everyone killing?

Man kills also AOM the first death
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Well that's the problem Ozell. Man HAS NO POWER outside of God. Whatever God does is for the kingdom. And one day that God will take you and me off this earth as well.
 
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Mediate

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Job said that even though he felt God was treating Him unfairly, He would take it because there is no court or argument with God. Even if Job could be heard in court, God made him and as such God could destroy him.

You see, it is the true character of a Godly person to be willing to be not only humble, but last. to take the burdens that some might deem unfair.

What matters more to you, your own salvation, or the salvation of others?

God is reflected in the life of Jesus, not hyperbolic stories in the old testament full of idioms nobody these days actually bothers to try to understand.

God is a God of eternal sacrifice and long suffering. Kind, and patient.

God is a God that accepts man's sin and even sent His own Son to die for it all.

God has lifted people from the 'lowest Hell'. God has created everything we have and know.

God is not restricted.

God has the means to accomplish His will. God is all powerful.

It is the righteousness of God that a man would die for his brother.

The first will be last.

And every knee shall bow.
 
RickShafer

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Jesus IS a God of conditional love!
He only loves you enough to save you if you are GOOD enough.
That's why He came; so He could fulfill the Hard parts of the law.
He left those that are EASY for the modern day pharisees to keep.

Such as:

1) What you eat
2) If you are righteous enough to have some flesh cut off.
3) If you have enough of the Spirit to outwardly observe feast days
4) If you don't move too much on Saturday.
5) And most importantly, if you can keep the two great commandments!!!!!
 -(Such as stoning a woman caught in adultery; ..............in the very act!!!)

Yea, I see what you mean Ozell. - - - - You are SOOOOOOOO right!!!!!:rolleyes:
 
RickShafer

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RickShafer said:
Jesus IS a God of conditional love!
He only loves you enough to save you if you are GOOD enough.
That's why He came; so He could fulfill the Hardparts of the law.
He left those that are EASY for the modern day pharisees to keep.

Such as:

1) What you eat
2) If you are righteous enough to have some flesh cut off.
3) If you have enough of the Spirit to outwardly observe feast days
4) If you don't move too much on Saturday.
5) And most importantly, if you can keep the two great commandments!!!!!
 -(Such as stoning a woman caught in adultery; ..............in the very act!!!)

Yea, I see what you mean Ozell. - - - - You are SOOOOOOOO right!!!!!:rolleyes:
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Let me ask the question for you Ozell:

"Where is this written?" - (Certainly on the tables of your heart.)
 
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While God's love may very well be unconditional, we know that salvation is most certainly conditional. If it were not, then Christ came to earth and gave his life for no reason.
 
RickShafer

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Crossfire said:
While God's love may very well be unconditional, we know that salvation is most certainly conditional. If it were not, then Christ came to earth and gave his life for no reason.
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You mean by faith in Jesus and what He did for us?
 
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