Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

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27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Some did see the RISEN YESHUA (which is the God we will see when He returns for us), after His Death-Burial-Resurrection, some standing there did SEE YESHUA in all His Glory and Power. He BREATHED the Holy Spirit onto them. They might have only had a few days with Him before He ascended, but there were some who did in fact SEE HIM as God, not as Yeshua!!

One Day we will too, also SEE, the real Him!!
It says in those verses that He would reward everyone according to his deeds when He returned. He did not do that after His resurrection or at His ascension. He did it in 70 A.D. when the second coming happened.

I agree with you that one day we will see Him in heaven. It will be after we die. Praise God for that.
 
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verse 28 says some, do you know if this person is still around below?
John 21
21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you?”
John himself says that Jesus didn't say he was going to die but that he might live to see His second coming. John did live to see the second coming in 70 A.D.

If you are going to try and say that John is still walking around on the planet as a 2,000 year old man, then I say this with all due respect, you need help.
 
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You are trying to frame a doctrine past the fact that the Gt,the man of sin,1 thes 4,rev 14, etc would all need to have taken place.
Nobody with a bible and open mind is willing to take that leap with you.
Matt 16: 27-28. Was Jesus lying or telling the truth? Was He confused? Was He a false prophet?

Go back and read through this thread and I answer many of those verses you just mentioned.
 
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27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Some did see the RISEN YESHUA (which is the God we will see when He returns for us), after His Death-Burial-Resurrection, some standing there did SEE YESHUA in all His Glory and Power. He BREATHED the Holy Spirit onto them. They might have only had a few days with Him before He ascended, but there were some who did in fact SEE HIM as God, not as Yeshua!!

One Day we will too, also SEE, the real Him!!
good message and as the verse says some tasted death, for it can’t be said some will not if some will. he would of said all will not taste death if he meant all.
 
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It says in those verses that He would reward everyone according to his deeds when He returned. He did not do that after His resurrection or at His ascension. He did it in 70 A.D. when the second coming happened.

I agree with you that one day we will see Him in heaven. It will be after we die. Praise God for that.



Everyone of the Apostles were tortured and killed around 67-69 A.D., well before the 70 A.D. destruction. They (11) would have been the main focus of who Yeshua was addressing that to. But only ONE was not killed. Roman Archives proves that Roman emperor Domitiona (A.D. 81-96) tossed John into Patmos around the year of 91 A.D.

So, why would Yeshua return, take His Elect, and leave His beloved Disciple John behind to be tossed into Patmos some 20 years later?

John got screwed literally out of this amazing deal you have proposed :(
 
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John himself says that Jesus didn't say he was going to die but that he might live to see His second coming. John did live to see the second coming in 70 A.D.

If you are going to try and say that John is still walking around on the planet as a 2,000 year old man, then I say this with all due respect, you need help.
Quote a bible verse that says the beloved deciple, was in fact John?

did a man in the Bible live for 969 yrs? you think of the impossible I think of the possible.
 

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Jesus also stated that some in the kangaroo court would see him return on the clouds:

Mark 14:60 And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus stated to the council ye shall see, so unless some of these councillors are still alive to see then Jesus returned for some of them to see it.
 
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ELEVEN DISCIPLES/APOSTLE's were murdered and only ONE was ALIVE when your theory puts Yeshua returning in 70 A.D.

And then John does not even get resurrected.

We know this from Roman History (Archive), he (John), was tossed into Patmos around 91 A.D. by Roman emperor Domitiona (A.D. 81-96)
 
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Roku23 your god is a small god who can’t suatain a human vessel for 2000yrs. My God can sustain a human vessel infinitely. I guess I need help.
 
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Everyone of the Apostles were tortured and killed around 67-69 A.D., well before the 70 A.D. destruction. They (11) would have been the main focus of who Yeshua was addressing that to. But only ONE was not killed. Roman Archives proves that Roman emperor Domitiona (A.D. 81-96) tossed John into Patmos around the year of 91 A.D.
There are no "Roman Archives" that say that. Revelation was written before 70 A.D. and is about the destruction of Jerusalem and the setting up of God and Christ's eternal kingdom.

John got screwed literally out of this amazing deal you have proposed
The problem today is that people think the "rapture" of 1 Thess 4: 13-17 is bodies flying into the air. It is not. The living saints in 70 A.D. were not taken off the planet but lived out their lives and died. If they had been taken off the earth then the church would have had to start all over again since nobody would have been left.

Look at the context of the passage starting with verse 13:

1 Thess 4: 13, "But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope."

The language in 1 Thess 4: 13-17 is covenantal. The saints had fallen asleep in Jesus and were separated from Him. They were in the grave/Hades.

1 Thess 4: 16-17, " For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

When Christians or Old Testament saints died before 70 A.D. they "fell asleep/went to Sheol/Hades". After 70 A.D. Christians who die go to be immediately with the Lord in Heaven. This is why it says "And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

Rev 14: 13, "Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."

Why would they be blessed? What does it say immediately after this in Rev 14: 15? The resurrection happens. Anybody who dies after this point does not have to "sleep" but goes directly into God's presence.

Being "caught up" in the clouds and air simply means no more separation from God at death. The "clouds" in Scripture represent the heavenly host. This is why you often see angels on clouds with harps. Hebrews 12: 1, "Since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses..."

The "air" is the heavenly realms. Eph 2: 2, "the prince of the power of the air" etc.

It simply means no more separation from God in the New Covenant. Covenantal language. The Old Covenant passed away at 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (Heb 8: 13). Christ came back and established His kingdom with the destruction of Jerusalem and resurrected the prophets and saints that were "sleeping". You read about the same thing during His return with the seventh trumpet in Rev 11: 15-19.
 
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Roku23 your god is a small god who can’t suatain a human vessel for 2000yrs. My God can sustain a human vessel infinitely. I guess I need help.
I think you are desperate to deny what the Scriptures say. That is up to you. God bless you.
 

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The same words are recorded in Mark 13: 26-27 and there is no question about the "end of the age" there. The 2 questions the disciples asked in Mark and Luke are the same 2 questions (that look like 3 to many people) in Matthew. When will the temple be destroyed and what is the sign it is about to be fulfilled. That is His coming. That is the end of the age. The jewish age. Same 2 questions in all 3 Olivet discourses.
Mark 13:26-27
"And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

Matt 16:27
"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done."

So have these remarkable phenomenon been witnessed and duly recorded on the record? Not a chance.

Matt 16:28 has come to pass.....the transfiguration, noted IMMEDIATELY afterward in Matt 17.
 
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I think you are desperate to deny what the Scriptures say. That is up to you. God bless you.
well I’m not one who said it’s impossible for a man to live 2000yrs and that I need help. that alone tells me what you think of the power of God, you don’t put much weight in the power of God.

You place yourself at that level and say he isn’t coming back, your not in that position to say no it isn’t going to happen. no doubt you got gonads the size of mars.
 

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It says in those verses that He would reward everyone according to his deeds when He returned. He did not do that after His resurrection or at His ascension. He did it in 70 A.D. when the second coming happened.

I agree with you that one day we will see Him in heaven. It will be after we die. Praise God for that.
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Nobody was rewarded in 70A.D. last time I checked!
 
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Mark 13:26-27
"And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."
Matt 16:27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done." So have these remarkable phenomenon been witnessed and duly recorded on the record? Not a chance.
Matt 16:28 has come to pass.....the transfiguration, noted IMMEDIATELY afterward in Matt 17.
well I’m not one who said it’s impossible for a man to live 2000yrs and that I need help. that alone tells me what you think of the power of God, you don’t put much weight in the power of God.
We don't want to lift things out of context. We don't separate verse 27 and 28. Matt 16: 27-28 go together. Both verses are talking about Him coming with His kingdom. He did not reward every man according to his deeds at the transfiguration. I guess I will just stop going over this because you guys are not willing to receive it.
 
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We don't want to lift things out of context. We don't separate verse 27 and 28. Matt 16: 27-28 go together. Both verses are talking about Him coming with His kingdom. He did not reward every man according to his deeds at the transfiguration. I guess I will just stop going over this because you guys are not willing to receive it.
I did enjoy the thread though thanks for posting, I had no idea about the premillennialist movement. I’ve learned something today that’s a good thing.

take care
 

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We don't want to lift things out of context. We don't separate verse 27 and 28. Matt 16: 27-28 go together. Both verses are talking about Him coming with His kingdom. He did not reward every man according to his deeds at the transfiguration. I guess I will just stop going over this because you guys are not willing to receive it.
We don't separate verse 27 and 28. Matt 16: 27-28 go together.

Yes, we do in fact separate them. You fail to grasp the peculiarities vicissitudes and intricacies of the text.
 
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the best anyone can do is plant seeds then let the Spirit do the watering, if it is of good seed it will grow.
 

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I apologize for the confusion and if it doesn't make sense to you. What I am saying is that Jesus promised to come back in His generation and He did in 70 A.D. He kept His promise. The kingdom of God was established when He returned with it in 70 A.D.

In Acts 1 Jesus ascends in a cloud from the apostles. Daniel 7 picks up the story:

Dan 7: 13-14, "
“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed. "

Look at what Jesus says in the Olivet Discourse in Luke 21: 31-32 says, "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place."

Jesus kept His promise and came back and established the kingdom with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. He doesn't need to come back anymore. If you have any questions please let me know.
Simple answer to this point.

Jesus was witnessed coming in His Kingdom on the mountain of transfiguration.
It is why the writers of the gospels put the words He spoke before this event, pointing to the
appearance to Peter, James and John, as its fulfillment.

So all the interpretations you are making are simply void.
 
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We don't separate verse 27 and 28. Matt 16: 27-28 go together. Yes, we do in fact separate them. You fail to grasp the peculiarities vicissitudes and intricacies of the text.
Lol. Good one. You should remember that verse divisions are artificial and are not part of the original Bible. :)