Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?
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and why is the very next thing that is recorded, Moses & Israel trying to pass through Edom and being refused, so they turn back the way they came? that totally random factoid just stuck in there as a filler? or is it exactly what God wants us to know next, in exactly the place it needs to be? and then Aaron dies -- another weird coincidence in a string of totally disconnected ancient notebook entries? 
But Moses being simply fed up and consequently goading God into destroying the people? Sounds like an awfully dangerous move to me.....
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i think God giving water out of the rock shocked them.
i think that was the last thing they expected
i think they thought either we will die in the sight of the people at the hand of God, or the people will rebel and either kill us or be slain by God trying.
i don't think it's an accident that provisions for Levites and ashes of the red heifer for cleansing after coming into contact with a corpse are given right between a rebellion seeking to overthrow Moses & Aaron and Moses and Aaron disobeying God at the rock. there were a lot of corpses in Numbers 16, and i think the most likely case is that Moses expected God to take his life for disobedience, in full view of all the people.
i think it's very similar to Elijah in 1 Kings 19, and that both Moses and Elijah acted in very intelligent, calculated ways, expecting to die, but in unbelief in their thoughts, and their love having grown cold because of increase in iniquity. in both cases God proved them wrong, and preserved them.
they endured. and they endured despite their unbelief and their sin. the mercy of God was on them
from there Elijah was led to the cave where he learned that God was the sill, small voice in the quiet. from there Moses and the people were led to a place with fiery snakes, and made one of the most astonishing figures of Christ, the brazen serpent lifted up, just like the Son of Man.
i think that was the last thing they expected
i think they thought either we will die in the sight of the people at the hand of God, or the people will rebel and either kill us or be slain by God trying.
i don't think it's an accident that provisions for Levites and ashes of the red heifer for cleansing after coming into contact with a corpse are given right between a rebellion seeking to overthrow Moses & Aaron and Moses and Aaron disobeying God at the rock. there were a lot of corpses in Numbers 16, and i think the most likely case is that Moses expected God to take his life for disobedience, in full view of all the people.
i think it's very similar to Elijah in 1 Kings 19, and that both Moses and Elijah acted in very intelligent, calculated ways, expecting to die, but in unbelief in their thoughts, and their love having grown cold because of increase in iniquity. in both cases God proved them wrong, and preserved them.
they endured. and they endured despite their unbelief and their sin. the mercy of God was on them
from there Elijah was led to the cave where he learned that God was the sill, small voice in the quiet. from there Moses and the people were led to a place with fiery snakes, and made one of the most astonishing figures of Christ, the brazen serpent lifted up, just like the Son of Man.
Please stop dancing around the issue...you know full well the Ten Commandments yet "stand fast forever and ever" and Jesus has given no one grace or permission to break them.
Does the fact that Jesus is our reward mean we can break 8th and the rob banks?
Does the fact that Jesus is our faithfulness mean we can break the 7th and bed or neighbor's wife?
Does the fact that Jesus is our truth mean we can break the 9th and lie?
So, why do "Christians" argue that since Jesus is our rest, we can break the 4th?
Does the fact that Jesus is our reward mean we can break 8th and the rob banks?
Does the fact that Jesus is our faithfulness mean we can break the 7th and bed or neighbor's wife?
Does the fact that Jesus is our truth mean we can break the 9th and lie?
So, why do "Christians" argue that since Jesus is our rest, we can break the 4th?
I've said for years that Moses absolutely ruined what could have been one of the most compelling "Type/Antitype" examples in all of Scripture, 2nd only to the Passover lamb. It's why he was denied entrance to the Promised Land - to show that even those closest to Him are to take no liberties when it comes to the plainly spoken commandment of God.
Think of the devastation it would have caused to that disgusting Papal heresy known as the "Catholic Mass" where Jesus is kept on the Cross perpetually through their supposed "morning and evening bloodless sacrifice" performed daily, which is followed by the equally disgusting "Eucharist" ceremony where they are taught the wafer and wine are the actual transubstantiated body and blood of Jesus.
Think of the devastation it would have caused to that disgusting Papal heresy known as the "Catholic Mass" where Jesus is kept on the Cross perpetually through their supposed "morning and evening bloodless sacrifice" performed daily, which is followed by the equally disgusting "Eucharist" ceremony where they are taught the wafer and wine are the actual transubstantiated body and blood of Jesus.
Yes, Luke 17:10 KJV says perfect obedience can't earn us one foot off the ground when Jesus comes in the clouds (how much less unprofitable then is our imperfect obedience?). Obedience is simply the outward evidence that demonstrates we've previously been saved by grace through faith (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV) because it is our foreordained, duty to God which He says is to follow salvation (Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV).
Likewise, Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says if we're resting in the finished work of the Cross, we'll evidence that by resting ("rest" = Greek: "Sabbatismos" which is the weekly Sabbath) each week on the Sabbath, proving to the world that we worship the Creator who made all in six days and rested the seventh day, as well as the fact that He is the only true Re-Creator of the hearts of men which enables us to love God and our neighbor -- abilities of which Allah, Buddha, Zoroaster, Brahma, Baal, Zeus, Molech, Bel, Dali Lama, Shiva, Maitreya, Baphumet, and the rest of the satanic counterfeits are completely impotent.
Likewise, Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says if we're resting in the finished work of the Cross, we'll evidence that by resting ("rest" = Greek: "Sabbatismos" which is the weekly Sabbath) each week on the Sabbath, proving to the world that we worship the Creator who made all in six days and rested the seventh day, as well as the fact that He is the only true Re-Creator of the hearts of men which enables us to love God and our neighbor -- abilities of which Allah, Buddha, Zoroaster, Brahma, Baal, Zeus, Molech, Bel, Dali Lama, Shiva, Maitreya, Baphumet, and the rest of the satanic counterfeits are completely impotent.
Why would Moses offer to God his life in exchange for Israel which he loved so much, but then later seek to do them harm in the Wilderness of Zin? Sure, he executed judgment against those who rebelled, but certainly did nothing of the sort to those who stumbled in their walk due to having spent 400 years steeped in paganism.