Jesus' Last 7 Words.

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Actually I'm thinking of His fifth word.

On Good Friday I am to speak on Jesus' 5th Word, I Thirst. I am seeing this as the only time He spoke of suffering as a human suffers, being thirsty. Not I Hurt, but I Thirst. The NIV translates to "I Am Thirsty". (not asking for critique of translations, just pointing it out).

Any other thoughts on this? What comes to mind? I welcome all comments as I'm not sure what I should say. I have to speak for 7 - 10 minutes.

Thanks, everyone. God Bless you.
 
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Well I wouldn't call it His last words knowing that He came back to life and forever reigns as Lord and King. :)
 
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His last recorded New Testament words weren't until Revelations
 
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This is just off the cuff, but Jesus thirsted that we might never thirst but drink Living water. (like the woman at the well)
 
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Jesus was fulfilling scripture; "They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Psalm 69:21 kjv). "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst" (John 19:28 kjv). I don't believe these were Jesus last words though.

Consider, "Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth" (Psalm 31:5). Compared to; "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost" (Luke 23:46). Also remember Jesus quoted Psalm 22:1 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" He was teaching and fulfilling scripture until the very end.

I suspect his last words may have been "It is finished" (John 19:30) jmo
 
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Luke 22:18, "for I tell you, I will not DRINK again of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God comes." This was spoken by Jesus at the last supper just a few hours before.

So when did Jesus drink this "fruit of the vine"? On his cross.

"I thirst". A bowl of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus hed received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished.", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:28-30

It is right there in black and white, but few will believe it.
 
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followjja said:
Luke 22:18, "for I tell you, I will not DRINK again of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God comes." This was spoken by Jesus at the last supper just a few hours before.

So when did Jesus drink this "fruit of the vine"? On his cross.

"I thirst". A bowl of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus hed received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished.", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:28-30

It is right there in black and white, but few will believe it.
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give that sponge some thought, and consider what Christ did for us there at the cross.

The ancient Romans were sophisticated in surprising ways. Take going to the bathroom, for example. In first century Rome, there were over one hundred public latrines, many of them with marble seats, scenes from Greek mythology on the walls, running water and ancient Roman toilet paper provided.

But what DID they use for toilet paper? Well, you could use a leaf, a handful of moss or your left hand! But what most Romans used was something called a spongia, a sea-sponge on a long stick. The stick was long because of the design of Roman toilets. Public facilities had a long marble bench with holes on top – for the obvious thing – and holes at the front: for the sponge-sticks. There were no doors or dividing walls. You sat right next to your friend and did what you had to do.

Most Romans wore tunics (a garment like a long tee-shirt) and probably nothing underneath. So you could just hike it up in back and sit on the cool marble seat, leaving the front of the tunic to cover your knees and your modesty. You would sit there, chatting with your friends, and when you finished your ‘task’ you would rinse the sponge in the channel of running water at your feet and – without standing up or revealing anything – you would push the spongia through the hole at the front, give your bottom a wipe, rinse off the spongia… and leave it in a basin for the next person to use!


text above quoted from this article: What the Romans Used for Toilet Paper

the primary use of that sponge and that vinegar wasn't for drinking.
 
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followjja said:
So when did Jesus drink this "fruit of the vine"? On his cross.

"I thirst". A bowl of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus hed received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished.", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:28-30

It is right there in black and white, but few will believe it.
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I don't think Jesus actually drank anything while on the cross; "And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not" (Mark 15:23). "They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink" (Matthew 27:34). So while John says he received it, I suspect he meant that it was offered, but I doubt Jesus actually drank what was offered. jmo
 
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All references of any time he was offered a drink need to be studied. And he did accept a drink when he said "I thirst".

1st - Mark 15:22,23 And they [soldiers] bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is being interpreted, The place of the skull. And they gave him to drink wine [oinos] mingled with myrrh: but he received it not. [bring - to bear or to carry - in the present tense indicating they were still on their way to Golgotha.]

2nd - Matthew 27:33,34 And when they were come [having come] unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, They gave him vinegar [oxos] to drink mingled with gall [chole]: and when he had tasted, he would not drink. [Here they have arrived at Golgotha] The vinegar-like drink was cheap very sour wine.

3rd - Luke 23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar [oxos - the very cheap sour wine]

4th - Matthew 27:48 And straightway on e of them ran, and took a spunge and filled it with vinegar [cheap, sour wine] and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.
Mark 15:36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar and put it on a reed and gave him to drink, . . . .

Then in John 19:28-30 Aftger this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst (Psalms 69:21). Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar and they filled a spunge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received [lambano] the vinegar . . .

The drinks mingled with "myrrh" and "gall", bitter substances known to deaden pain, were offered to victims as an anesthetic to help deaden the pain. Jesus did not receive the wine mingled with myrrh nor the one mingled with gall, choosing instead to bear the full pain and suffering. When we look at what Jesus endured for us - the hours of ridicule, the hours of torture, the hours of beatings, and scourgings, his hours of hanging on the cross - it is heartbreaking and yet he did it all for us. [Isaiah 52:14 - 53:12]
 
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Nancyer said:
Actually I'm thinking of His fifth word.

On Good Friday I am to speak on Jesus' 5th Word, I Thirst. I am seeing this as the only time He spoke of suffering as a human suffers, being thirsty. Not I Hurt, but I Thirst. The NIV translates to "I Am Thirsty". (not asking for critique of translations, just pointing it out).

Any other thoughts on this? What comes to mind? I welcome all comments as I'm not sure what I should say. I have to speak for 7 - 10 minutes.

Thanks, everyone. God Bless you.
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Can I ask why you chose those words? And regarding the last 7 words - in combination or separate. . .

I thirst - 2 words

It is finished - 3 words

Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. - words

I quess I am just wondering why you chose - I thirst. :)
 
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Interesting words. I thirst are words that spoke of our Lords humanity. Of all the agony He was enduring He never complained He did not cry out in pain or curse His tormentors. Here we see His humanity. Thirsting is wholly human. It is true that He refused the gall that would have lessened His pain and suffering. It is also true that when He had finished and willed Himself to leave His body and the Romans pierced His side blood and water came forth.

Ten minutes is hardly long enough to introduce the subject let alone expound upon it.

For the cause of Christ
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Dan58 said:
I don't think Jesus actually drank anything while on the cross; "And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not" (Mark 15:23). "They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink" (Matthew 27:34). So while John says he received it, I suspect he meant that it was offered, but I doubt Jesus actually drank what was offered. jmo
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You need to read the account of what happened at his cross in order. At the beginning they offered him a wine mix, as mentioned in Matt 27:34 and Mark 15:23

Later on before his last breath, he "received the sour wine" in John 19:28-30 It is obvious that he drank it.
Matt and Mark kind of leave it up in the air whether he drank the sour wine in Matt 27:48, Mark 15:36 but even there someone RAN to get the sour wine for Jesus. Why run if it was so unimportant?

The word "kingdom" is mentioned more than 120 times in the 4 gospels, it was important to Jesus, it should be to us, also.
 
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peacefulbeliever,

You quoted the verses, very good. Do you think that Jesus drank the "fruit of the vine"?
If he did, the kingdom of God has arrived. Remember Jesus said this:

"But be on guard, I have told you ALL THINGS beforehand." Mark 13:23 see also John 4:25-26
 
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If you have to speak on Jesus thirsting I would suggest a few comments about the following...

1. Jesus being a well of spiritual (water) springing up in those who believe and how.....
2. He was here to live for, suffer for and die for humanity and part of that suffering was him thirsting...
3. And that Jesus promises to fill all those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.....
4. Which leads to us being a well of (life) to those around us who are famished and dry when it comes to God and his word!
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
Can I ask why you chose those words? And regarding the last 7 words - in combination or separate. . .

I thirst - 2 words

It is finished - 3 words

Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. - words

I quess I am just wondering why you chose - I thirst. :)
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Actually, I didn't choose them. I was asked to speak on Good Friday and I said sure. The pastor gave each of us who agreed to speak the Words of Jesus he'd chosen for us. Don't believe there is a reason I was given I Thirst, it's just the part of what He said on the cross that I am to talk about.

I too realize there are more than 7 words, but I believe our pastor is referring to Forsaken, Thirst, Finish, Spirit, etc.

Thank you for your help.

God bless
 
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dcontroversal said:
If you have to speak on Jesus thirsting I would suggest a few comments about the following...

1. Jesus being a well of spiritual (water) springing up in those who believe and how.....
2. He was here to live for, suffer for and die for humanity and part of that suffering was him thirsting...
3. And that Jesus promises to fill all those who hunger and thirst after righteousness.....
4. Which leads to us being a well of (life) to those around us who are famished and dry when it comes to God and his word!
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Excellent comments, I thank you very much!
 
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Thank you to everyone, this really does help. Am I correct in saying that in Matthew and Mark (at least in my NIV) the words I thirst are left out? But someone does run to get the vinegar on a sponge, offering it to Jesus. This indicates Jesus either was thirsty (obviously) or that He said He was or that it was just what was done.

Again, thank you for your comments and insights. I still have a week, so keep 'em coming, I'll keep reading.
 
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Why am I thinking of what Jesus said in the sermon on the mount? Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness. Interesting thought that the Lord may have been speaking of His thirst for righteousness. The righteousness He had with His Father in heaven.

For the cause of Christ
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Nancyer said:
Actually, I didn't choose them. I was asked to speak on Good Friday and I said sure. The pastor gave each of us who agreed to speak the Words of Jesus he'd chosen for us. Don't believe there is a reason I was given I Thirst, it's just the part of what He said on the cross that I am to talk about.

I too realize there are more than 7 words, but I believe our pastor is referring to Forsaken, Thirst, Finish, Spirit, etc.

Thank you for your help.

God bless
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Oh, okay I see - I was just wondering thanks

:)
 
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