Jesus tempted in the wilderness.

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Cameron143

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Now, I'm supposed to help you?
You are being a coward? Why?

For God gave us a Spirit who produces not timidity, but power, love and self-discipline."
2 Timothy 1:7​

You made a rather ambiguous accusation, and can not be straight about taking away the vagueness?
Perhaps you are hoping that someone else, who feels like you do, will join in to save you?

Be a man ... Tell me what sin I have been committing.
And, be careful not to use projection. That's the tricky part.
You asked me if you had sinned. I said you have. You asked how and I gave the biblical definitions for sin. You asked for specific sins and I said I'd be glad to, but asked if you would say if you believed you had sinned. You refused and insinuated that I am a coward.
I recap to make a point and to point out your sinfulness to you. As we are taught to esteem others before ourselves, you would have had to oblige my request to answer my question for this to be true of you. Further, you also wouldn't have insinuated anything about me but patiently accepted my behavior as one who assents to other's request or covers their sin.
There's a start. If you want to dig deeper, the root cause is probably pride.
 

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You asked me if you had sinned. I said you have. You asked how and I gave the biblical definitions for sin. You asked for specific sins and I said I'd be glad to, but asked if you would say if you believed you had sinned. You refused and insinuated that I am a coward.
I recap to make a point and to point out your sinfulness to you. As we are taught to esteem others before ourselves, you would have had to oblige my request to answer my question for this to be true of you. Further, you also wouldn't have insinuated anything about me but patiently accepted my behavior as one who assents to other's request or covers their sin.
There's a start. If you want to dig deeper, the root cause is probably pride.
How should I esteem you higher?
Who says I do not?
I do not esteem some of the wrong ideas you have higher.
Do not conflate one for the other.
This is a debate....

I do not believe I have sinned.
That should be even more reason for you needing to inform me of what sins you think I have committed.
You would be, in effect, helping the blind to see.

Who said I am not esteeming you higher?
The prophet Gadd esteemed David higher than himself when he pointed out David's sins.
But, what if someone kept trying to promote error more in keeping of how they felt about a matter?

Did Jesus do the same for those imposing false teaching upon the truth as to nullify it? Did Paul? Did Peter?

Look how Jesus who loved Peter, treated Peter when it was needed...


Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have
in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
Matthew 16:22-23

I am pretty sure that if that were you saying that to the Lord, instead of Peter?
Some here would have agreed and seen you as having said the right and noble thing considering the suffering Jesus said he had to face.

Here's the problem as I see it.

Its what you don't know that is the problem here. With some others reinforcing you who will agree with you, doing likewise.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

How wonderful and noble Peter must have been towards the Lord?
And... Jesus called him Satan for doing so?
You would have told Jesus that he had sinned?


Now... If someone else did the same thing as Jesus had for another situation, and was correct in his evaluation?
You might be tempted to say he was sinning... After all. Peter was being quite noble according to human viewpoint.


And all because of your concept of esteeming another higher than your self could not apply for every situation.
 

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How should I esteem you higher?
Who says I do not?
I do not esteem some of the wrong ideas you have higher.
Do not conflate one for the other.
This is a debate....

I do not believe I have sinned.
That should be even more reason for you needing to inform me of what sins you think I have committed.
You would be, in effect, helping the blind to see.

Who said I am not esteeming you higher?
The prophet Gadd esteemed David higher than himself when he pointed out David's sins.
But, what if someone kept trying to promote error more in keeping of how they felt about a matter?

Did Jesus do the same for those imposing false teaching upon the truth as to nullify it? Did Paul? Did Peter?

Look how Jesus who loved Peter, treated Peter when it was needed...


Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have
in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
Matthew 16:22-23

I am pretty sure that if that were you saying that to the Lord, instead of Peter?
Some here would have agreed and seen you as having said the right and noble thing considering the suffering Jesus said he had to face.

Here's the problem as I see it.

Its what you don't know that is the problem here. With some others reinforcing you who will agree with you, doing likewise.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

How wonderful and noble Peter must have been towards the Lord?
And... Jesus called him Satan for doing so?
You would have told Jesus that he had sinned?


Now... thing as Jesus had for another situation, and was correct in his evaluation?
You might be tempted to say he was sinning... After all. Peter was being quite noble according to human viewpoint.


And all because of your concept of esteeming another higher than your self could not apply for every situation.
I'm not surprised that you don't believe you have sinned. I explained why you esteemed yourself higher than me very clearly. Further, your suggestion that I was cowardly was not only incorrect, but meant to characterize me as lower than you. If, as you say, you are esteeming me, why characterize me falsely? This is meant for my good?
This has been useful to a point and even revealing, but not particularly edifying. I appreciate the discussion and your candor. Grace and peace.
 

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Being spiritually dead doesn't mean we have no spirit. It means the spiritual aspect of man has been corrupted. That angels exist in a spiritual realm doesn't mean their spirits aren't corrupted.
Was that theory? Give us chapter and verse for what you claim is the truth.

If you can't?
It explains my attitude towards you I have been having for disrupting a good teaching that others can benefit from.

We were not corrupt spirits before regeneration. We had no human spirit at all. Only a soul and corrupt body.
 

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Being spiritually dead doesn't mean we have no spirit. It means the spiritual aspect of man has been corrupted. That angels exist in a spiritual realm doesn't mean their spirits aren't corrupted.
Again, we had no human spirit. Not as you cl;aimed, having a corrupt spirit. We were having corrupt flesh that distorted our soul.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:6​

Jesus mentioned that while explaining to Nicodemus about how an unregenerate man is needing to be "born again."

First birth took place after a mother broke water. "Born of water."

Born again? ... That is when the Holy Spirit begets a human spirit for the one who believes.

Cameron? This is quite simple to understand for a good many believers.
Why are you having such a problem with it?

First birth - and, second birth.

First birth consists of soul and flesh.
Second, adds the addition of receiving human spirit begotten by the Holy Spirit to make us able to be spiritual.

:);):(
 

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Was that theory? Give us chapter and verse for what you claim is the truth.

If you can't?
It explains my attitude towards you I have been having for disrupting a good teaching that others can benefit from.

We were not corrupt spirits before regeneration. We had no human spirit at all. Only a soul and corrupt body.
Every society known throughout history has certain things in common. If you do a little anthropological study, you will find that every people group has some concept of God and religion. Why? Because God has placed eternity in the heart of man. If man was without spirit, this would not be so. The fact that each group misunderstood who God truly is and what His purposes are is testimony to the corruption.

1 Corinthians 2:11...For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
 

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Again, we had no human spirit. Not as you cl;aimed, having a corrupt spirit. We were having corrupt flesh that distorted our soul.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:6​

Jesus mentioned that while explaining to Nicodemus about how an unregenerate man is needing to be "born again."

First birth took place after a mother broke water. "Born of water."

Born again? ... That is when the Holy Spirit begets a human spirit for the one who believes.

Cameron? This is quite simple to understand for a good many believers.
Why are you having such a problem with it?

First birth - and, second birth.

First birth consists of soul and flesh.
Second, adds the addition of receiving human spirit begotten by the Holy Spirit to make us able to be spiritual.

:);):(
Water in the passage is not speaking about natural birth. Water there is the gospel...1 Peter 1:23...Being born again not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD,...
 

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Jesus literally handed the sop of fellowship to the Satan-man Judas John 13:26.
A last second good faith genuine offer of reconciliation and fellowship so to speak.

Judas-Satan turns Him down.

This is why Jesus was troubled in spirit five verses earlier.

So yes, definitely, God yearns that the lost would repent and believe the truth......that He is good, righteous and holy. Even Satan and the fallen host.

BTW........God is omniscient and outside of time, which is why vv 21 precedes vv 26.
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Luk 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

That was the "goodbye kiss" so to speak. Then Satan-Judas later realizes his miscalculation (Jesus is ACTUALLY going to die on the cross) panicked, and changed plans, did the 30 pieces of silver thing.
 

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Every society known throughout history has certain things in common. If you do a little anthropological study, you will find that every people group has some concept of God and religion. Why? Because God has placed eternity in the heart of man. If man was without spirit, this would not be so. The fact that each group misunderstood who God truly is and what His purposes are is testimony to the corruption.

1 Corinthians 2:11... For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
God draws all men at some point in their lives. Even the total reprobates found in Romans 1:18-23 had God drawing them.
That does not mean they are regenerated. God is simply a mysterious concept, not a reality, until regeneration takes hold.

That is not the same thing as an actual functioning human spirit that the Holy Spirit begets in regeneration.

The spirit of man speaks of an aspect of man's human nature.

For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him?
So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God." 1 Cor 2:11​

The spirit of man refers to man's self consciousness.
That passage shows us that the spirit of man which is being referred to can not know God.

Now, the human spirit we are given at regeneration is so that we can know God. Not to know ourselves with.

Typically, many read 1 Corinthians 2:14 as follows.

But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness
unto him; neither can he understand them because they are spiritually discerned.


Natural man means a person without the human spirit, but was rendered 'natural man because the natural man is unregenerate, having only body and soul.

How can we know that? The Greek word that is translated 'natural man' is psuchikos
Psuchikos has a descriptive meaning, meaning a 'soulish' man.
The Greek word also has its roots where we get soul and psychology from.

So? The natural man means? Body and soul. No human spirit. That is why you will see in more modern translations of1 Cor 2:14 translated quite often like this!


The person without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.



That is why some choose to render it that way. The most literal way to translate would read...

The soulish man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.


I hope you get the spirit of what I am saying.

The word 'spirit' can hold various meanings that only the context will determine.
 

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Water in the passage is not speaking about natural birth. Water there is the gospel...1 Peter 1:23...Being born again not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD,...
OK... you're stuck. You need a towing service.
You are designed to wear people out. Not edify.

I can not esteem someone higher than myself who keeps distorting the truth.

Matter of fact, Paul said that some deserve just the opposite.

The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have
divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that
sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it
obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:4-5​

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God draws all men at some point in their lives. Even the total reprobates found in Romans 1:18-23 had God drawing them.
That does not mean they are regenerated. God is simply a mysterious concept, not a reality, until regeneration takes hold.

That is not the same thing as an actual functioning human spirit that the Holy Spirit begets in regeneration.

The spirit of man speaks of an aspect of man's human nature.

For who among men knows the things of the man, except the spirit of the man within him?
So also, no one knows the things of God, except the Spirit of God." 1 Cor 2:11​

The spirit of man refers to man's self consciousness.
That passage shows us that the spirit of man which is being referred to can not know God.

Now, the human spirit we are given at regeneration is so that we can know God. Not to know ourselves with.

Typically, many read 1 Corinthians 2:14 as follows.

But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness
unto him; neither can he understand them because they are spiritually discerned.


Natural man means a person without the human spirit, but was rendered 'natural man because the natural man is unregenerate, having only body and soul.

How can we know that? The Greek word that is translated 'natural man' is psuchikos
Psuchikos has a descriptive meaning, meaning a 'soulish' man.
The Greek word also has its roots where we get soul and psychology from.

So? The natural man means? Body and soul. No human spirit. That is why you will see in more modern translations of1 Cor 2:14 translated quite often like this!


The person without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.



That is why some choose to render it that way. The most literal way to translate would read...

The soulish man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit.


I hope you get the spirit of what I am saying.

The word 'spirit' can hold various meanings that only the context will determine.
We disagree.
 

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OK... you're stuck. You need a towing service.
You are designed to wear people out. Not edify.

I can not esteem someone higher than myself who keeps distorting the truth.

Matter of fact, Paul said that some deserve just the opposite.
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have
divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that
sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it
obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:4-5​

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What you can't abide is someone with a differing viewpoint or understanding. And because you lack love, you simply clang when you reply.
 

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What you can't abide is someone with a differing viewpoint or understanding. And because you lack love, you simply clang when you reply.
Reminds me of the boy standing before the judge after murdering his parents.
He requested mercy from the court because he was an orphan.
 

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Reminds me of the boy standing before the judge after murdering his parents.
He requested mercy from the court because he was an orphan.
Thank you for exemplifying my point for me. Hope you have a great day. Grace and peace.
 

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I love How the Lord replied to the tempter..
Also…Remembering how the Lord had fasted.. spirit over flesh.. the power of GOD. Amazing Grace. A reminder of our daily prayer the Lord gave us.. the words for us to use. The Lord’s prayer.

Anyhow, feast upon this:


Matthew 4


4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
 

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I love How the Lord replied to the tempter..
Also…Remembering how the Lord had fasted.. spirit over flesh.. the power of GOD. Amazing Grace. A reminder of our daily prayer the Lord gave us.. the words for us to use. The Lord’s prayer.

Anyhow, feast upon this:


Matthew 4


4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Then after his trial, Jesus God COMMANDS Satan to depart.
Which, of course, freaks out Satan, who now understands better the true identity of Jesus.

And which, of course, demonstrates the total authority and command of Jesus God over all persons and situations that he interacted with. All of which are for our benefit.
 

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Or was that a desert? Was it a mountain, I need look it up.

But anyway, I do not believe Jesus was lusting after anything, not ever. I do not believe he was tempted because of he's lusts. But we know in one of the letters in the new testiment, that it says we are tempted by our own lusts. So what I am thinking, is I did not understand what it said. Maybe it says, we fall for temptation because of our own lusts.
Jesus took on our flaws and temptations in the flesh it doesn’t mean his flesh was corrupt he proved it to be holy because when he was tempted , he sinned not.

He felt the same pull we do the same way we are tempted so was he the difference is we have all proven sinners when tempted because we’ve all sinned as Adam did . Jesus never sinned when he was tempted he stood the test of temptation proving his holiness rather than like we prove to be sinners

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a more modern translation would be

“Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-15‬ ‭

It’s when one follows the temptations and commits sin that they become corrupted by lusts and desires for darkness Jesus never did that part he stood strong against the temptations of human flesh which he partook of , before they became sin he fended of satans assaults on his mind when tempted answering with Gods word

when we are tempted it’s because we have developed lusts and strongholds in our flesh through habitual sin not even realizing but then we hear Gods word later in life and find out we’ve been habitually sinning and now our flesh craves those sinful things , again Jesus never did any of that he remained holy being tempted severely in every way like we are only proves that he is truly holy , even when our fully to the test of his own suffering and shame and death in a cross he never sinned , he faced it all like one of us but he walked in the spirit and victory of God his life on earth even being tempted feeling the feelings of man’s flesh and the darkness in tbe world around us he never sinned even in great suffering he endured the cross in obedience to God

jesus is a hero of mankind , mankind’s king and redeemer our champion who became like we are in in the flesh jumped into the mess we caused as one of us , but overcame it all without sin and corruption

He can now as high priest strengthen us to also overcome temptations by his spirit

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Any person born in the flesh is in this world which is where temptations when we entertain them create lusts and desires we have to later deal with

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus walked like that in this world but he also saw the things we see that tempt us , felt the things we feel that tempt us , even moreso Jesus suffered agonizing death but never sinned

“and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was tempted many ways and times in scripture he could have always called down legions of angels to end it all , but his Will and desire because he loves us is to save as many as will accept him so he chose to die instead to redeem believers .

When Peter began to fight to protect Jesus from the mob coming to arrest him

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:52-54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He knew his mission included suffering and dying for the people but Jesus could have called upon angels to save him from his suffering he had the power but made the free choice to do gods will to redeem us all who believe. There’s always temptations to men but always as well there is what God wills that we do and live.

I’m glad Jesus became one of us and faced it all on our behalf and now is in heaven atoning for and interceding for us having felt what we feel the terrible traps of temptations

jesus was tempted for our benefit is what I’m saying to redeem us from sins grip he never sinned is the difference in he and all others according to his earthly life and now he’s able to do this for us

Who is he that condemneth? ( how can we be condemned by whom? Because )

It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
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Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭

well what if I sin though ?

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so we can be bold and get real with God and repent if we have sinned

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus really knows our struggles and trials and temptations and obstacles as humans even though he is god , he became one of us , the son , becoming our high priest and intercessor , our advocate and friend , our leader and king , our brother and high priest , our lord and savior Jesus who is the Christ.

It’s not unholy to be tempted its unholy to sin
 

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@Cameron143 @Genez

Luk 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

That was the "goodbye kiss" so to speak. Then Satan-Judas later realizes his miscalculation (Jesus is ACTUALLY going to die on the cross) panicked, and changed plans, did the 30 pieces of silver thing.
So, no one sees Judas as sacred by God, that Judas did his Job. No one see Judas as repented to God or was there in Spirit prison to testify there when Jesus came there right after Judas killed himself, was put there, because he would not serve satan any longer, to be a witness to Jesus as the Messiah to those there then in purgatory back then, that got freed on the third day from there in, the resurrection of Son that won, satan, evil defeated, as the rest to be defeated is the first birth of people in flesh nature to be born new by God for them too, each gets this once, anyone becomes willing to God too. This is not by force or any manipulation as religion does that for the self gain in them. Identify, does not come from the first born (that plays God) nature in truth of God at all, at least for me it does not. God loves us all y'all start right there in thanksgiving and praise and ask to get taught new in this love and mercy given to you too. thank you
 

Genez

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What you can't abide is someone with a differing viewpoint or understanding. And because you lack love, you simply clang when you reply.
I can abide that way. And, have many times...

But not when I think someone does not even believe half the things he throws out.

Since I do esteem you higher than myself?
I think you are really smarter than you pretend not to be.
Why pretend?

Its as if you are giving a job interview...
Surely you are smarter than you pretend not to be.

You see, its how I perceive you to really be, and that you are not really being yourself,
that elicits my response that you want changed to meet your approval.

For you I see, when esteeming you higher than myself, I see you as much smarter than you pretend not to be...
In doing so, I am esteeming you better than myself.

;)