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Luke 8:4-8
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold." When He had said these things He cried, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Only a few seek after the Truth in the Scriptures. Not everyone who hears the Word of God accepts it. The soil is the condition of the Heart of the person listening to the Word of God the Scriptures.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold." When He had said these things He cried, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Only a few seek after the Truth in the Scriptures. Not everyone who hears the Word of God accepts it. The soil is the condition of the Heart of the person listening to the Word of God the Scriptures.
S
It was meant to be....just like when Jesus insulted the Canaanite woman. It appears that you want to be insulted..... It appears that the canaanite woman did not.... nor did she care about her status. She simply had faith and stayed after it... in spite of the disciples cheering Jesus on to "get rid of this woman"....this "dog".
S
Question for the people who hate my thread. Who was Jesus "teaching" during his earthly ministry? Who was Jesus welcoming into His fold? Was He teaching the gentiles about faith and welcoming a select group of Jewish boys who had it all figured out already? Was He teaching a select group of Jewish boys and welcoming the gentiles...some of whom showed greater faith than the best of the best jewish boy?
In your rush to condemn me you leave a whole lot of holes in the narrative of the ministry of Jesus as well as showing a deep seated "exclusive" mindset about others who don't fit into your religious paradigm.
In your rush to condemn me you leave a whole lot of holes in the narrative of the ministry of Jesus as well as showing a deep seated "exclusive" mindset about others who don't fit into your religious paradigm.
Well, interestingly enough, you present no compelling evidence to contradict the idea that Jesus engaged in social justice in the midst of his ministry. We have plenty of evidence from the gospels that Jesus was concerned with issues of social justice AS WELL AS drawing people to God.
These two ideas, btw, are not mutually exclusive.
He gave a believing Roman soldier acknowledgement for his faith--he didn't turn him away because he was not Jewish.
He healed on the Sabbath even though that broke with the Pharisees understanding of the law.
He interpreted "neighbor" much more broadly than those who asked him, "Who is my neighbor?"
He told the rich young man to give all he had away.
He allowed women to be a regular part of his teachings and he honored Mary (of Mary and Martha fame) for having a heart for learning over typical female expectations.
He called fishermen and tax collectors instead of the religious elite
He shared food with the masses.
He paid taxes.
He did not condemn a woman caught in adultery.
He told people to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, visit the prisoner, care for the widows and orphans, etc.
While all of these are clearly engaging in spiritual ministries, these same actions are making SOCIO-POLITICAL statements. While Jesus's overt mission wasn't to overturn the status quo, one could make the argument that it was a covert agenda. One that worked, btw.
If you go to the OT, it is clear that God has always been concerned about issues of social justice. Why should be be surprised that Jesus would continue to address these issues? Certainly, Christians have continued the tradition of the OT and the teachings of Jesus in addressing these issues. This is why much of the world enjoys a higher degree of education, better medical care, social services to help the poor, etc. These policies aren't remotely Marxist. They're all Jesus. And many of the gains made in education, medicine, social justice were made by devout Christians following in the footsteps of Jesus.
These two ideas, btw, are not mutually exclusive.
He gave a believing Roman soldier acknowledgement for his faith--he didn't turn him away because he was not Jewish.
He healed on the Sabbath even though that broke with the Pharisees understanding of the law.
He interpreted "neighbor" much more broadly than those who asked him, "Who is my neighbor?"
He told the rich young man to give all he had away.
He allowed women to be a regular part of his teachings and he honored Mary (of Mary and Martha fame) for having a heart for learning over typical female expectations.
He called fishermen and tax collectors instead of the religious elite
He shared food with the masses.
He paid taxes.
He did not condemn a woman caught in adultery.
He told people to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, visit the prisoner, care for the widows and orphans, etc.
While all of these are clearly engaging in spiritual ministries, these same actions are making SOCIO-POLITICAL statements. While Jesus's overt mission wasn't to overturn the status quo, one could make the argument that it was a covert agenda. One that worked, btw.
If you go to the OT, it is clear that God has always been concerned about issues of social justice. Why should be be surprised that Jesus would continue to address these issues? Certainly, Christians have continued the tradition of the OT and the teachings of Jesus in addressing these issues. This is why much of the world enjoys a higher degree of education, better medical care, social services to help the poor, etc. These policies aren't remotely Marxist. They're all Jesus. And many of the gains made in education, medicine, social justice were made by devout Christians following in the footsteps of Jesus.
G
Sirks pretty much dead on on this one Brother.
The woman has divine view point and the disciples are still thinking from the human viewpoint.
The disciples thought they had the whole loaf and the saved women KNEW she had a crumb and she CLAIMED her right to it. She had faith rest and the disciples did not.
The woman has divine view point and the disciples are still thinking from the human viewpoint.
The disciples thought they had the whole loaf and the saved women KNEW she had a crumb and she CLAIMED her right to it. She had faith rest and the disciples did not.
