Jews are Going Home,Signs of the Times are Everywhere

[Sophia]

All this hinges on modern Jews actually being descendents of Irsraelites, right?
If this is just about converts, and descendents of converts, then I don't understand how people converting to a false religion could make them more "chosen" than any other pagan. This is why I did some research.


Based on the HGP (Human Genome Project) it seems most of the current claims of being genetically Jewish are false or grossly exaggerated. Only half of the genomes studies in the group led to any Middle Eastern descent... and of even those, most of the genetic data (especially maternal data) was European.
There does seem to be several genetic commons in Ashkenazi (German) Jews, generally attributed to recent close community marriage, rather than to distinct ancestry.
The results vary based on the source unfortunately, and none of my medical journals discuss the matter (I minored in genetics, but none of my subscriptions focus on lineage, only disease markers really).

From what I'm reading in geneticliteracyproject.org, and from my professors at BRU, the common genetic data among global Jews only connects them to being related to Muslims and Druze. The general Islamic population of Iraq has more genetic similarities to Russian Jews than Russian Jews have to Ashkenazi Jews. And the Ashkenazi Jews have more similarities to the general population of Italy and Germany than to any other population of Jews. The shreds of genetic similarities are little more than a Swede has to an Etheopian.

I'm no longer even considering modern Jews to be a genetic race. It is a religion only, with massive cultural influence.


Oddly enough, if we look at the OT, very few of the warriors of David were of Israelite descent, but we're converts. The only positions that required genetic lineage were Priests and Kings (Christ fulfilled both, no?)
Being one of God's People was always about conversion, not genes. If they are converting to a religion that rejects Christ, then they reject the Father,
and they are not Children of God, and not Chosen People, but only the Synogogue of Satan.

Only converting to Faith in the One True God can make someone a real Israelite/child of Abraham, and part of the Chosen People of God.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kaylagrl has a very sweet heart.
jitc you should learn some manners, and get a heart.

Thank you so much.I certainly try.But anyone who reads my posts know how strongly I feel about Gods chosen people.And to bless them is to be blessed and curse them is to be cursed.The US of all peoples should know that.They are blessed because of their support of the Jews.

 

[kaylagrl]

Funny thing, Hitler didn't see them as fake Jews...neither does Hamas or Hezbollah...nor many of the countries that persecuted them down through the centuries. Someone has been drinking too much Kool-Aid.

Oh my lol such a good point you made there Crossnote!!

 

[kaylagrl]

I think you might be tasting your own glass, and thinking it mine.

As a dispensationalist, do you see the restoration of the Promised Land before or after the Return of Christ?
Do you not believe in apostasy before the End?
What do you believe the great deception will be? Will it include Judaism... even to the point of bringing back temple sacrifice?
Do you see a Biblical reference to a mass Israeli revival, or an small group of Israelis (144k) out of the millions there.
Let is assume that "God is not done with the nation of Israel" is a given, as both sides agree on that point. The question is: are the physical promises for THIS dispensation, or reserved until this one is over?

Hitler, as an agent of Satan, certainly is the spark that began (or at least inflamed) the deception, and the current Zionist movement. This is a deception we are talking about. When the son of perdition comes, he will save his people from destruction of groups like Hezbollah, and be hailed a hero by the world (admittedly an assumption based on current events).

Why would Satan war against physical Jews during THIS dispensation? Does he not know Scriptures? Does he not know that God is working through another group? Why would he allow false Christianity to dominate the globe (Catholicism) for centuries, and yet persecute bloodline and converted Jews? Deception.
Which is why he has set his false people as the true, even though Scripture tells us who is TRULY a Jew... and it is not one who practices Judaism.

God will fulfill His Promises to Israel, and to all those who have been engrafted in with them... but not to any who have not been brought back to the Vine. They will remain upon the ground where they have fallen.

The deception is in full swing.
We are called to evangelize, especially to the Jews, but not to have blind support of their politics, religion, and societies.
The whore who killed the prophets should not be praised; only the Husband that she left behind, long before she gave birth to Christ.

Be wary of pop culture Bible interpretation. Kool Aid tastes good.

Romans 11...

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Thank you so much.I certainly try.But anyone who reads my posts know how strongly I feel about Gods chosen people.And to bless them is to be blessed and curse them is to be cursed.The US of all peoples should know that.They are blessed because of their support of the Jews.

Why did God overthrow, IN HIS WRATH, 603,548 of the original 603,550 Israelite men who were 20 years old and upward who came out of Egypt? I mean, they were "chosen people", weren't they?

You've been greatly deceived in this area, kaylagrl, and you shouldn't be citing a sampling of Romans chapter 11 to anybody while simultaneously ignoring everything which Paul had written in the previous chapters of Romans. IOW, he previously defined who a true "Jew" is and also previously stated "that they are not all Israel who are of Israel". Again, there are two totally different Jerusalems spoken of in scripture and two totally different Israels as well and a failure to properly distinguish between the two has led to all sorts of heresies.

Finally, if you're referring to this in relation to "blessing and cursing"...

Genesis chapter 12

[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

...then you need to know that Abraham died before there was ever any such thing as either a natural Israelite or natural Jew upon the face of the earth and this can easily be documented from scripture. This "blessing and cursing" pertains to Abraham's "seed", SINGULAR, and that "seed is Christ" (Galatians 3:16). Yes, as I said in an earlier post, the real "replacement theology" that's being taught by many a deceived professing Christian these days is that natural Israel has somehow "replaced" the True Israel, Jesus Christ...and I'll be more than happy to elaborate on the same.

 

[kaylagrl]

I knew I'm a couple days late but this isn't scripture.



Restoration comes after belief and not before, unless I read your post wrong. If I did, carry on.

Not sure if this answers your question... I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

 

[kaylagrl]

I agree, but do you think that the remnant (saved genetic Israelites) are Zionists? You should read what they say in their magazines. Why do you think only 2% of Israeli citizens are Christian. (And 70% of that number is Catholic)

Did God cast them all off? No, and I never said anything of the sort. He has kept a remnant, but not the whole. That remnant is the very reason we are called to evangelize to those who call themselves Jews. We are workers in a ripe field.

Romans... I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]


​May I ask what is your take on these verses?

 

[kaylagrl]

Why did God overthrow, IN HIS WRATH, 603,548 of the original 603,550 Israelite men who were 20 years old and upward who came out of Egypt? I mean, they were "chosen people", weren't they?

You've been greatly deceived in this area, kaylagrl, and you shouldn't be citing a sampling of Romans chapter 11 to anybody while simultaneously ignoring everything which Paul had written in the previous chapters of Romans. IOW, he previously defined who a true "Jew" is and also previously stated "that they are not all Israel who are of Israel". Again, there are two totally different Jerusalems spoken of in scripture and two totally different Israels as well and a failure to properly distinguish between the two has led to all sorts of heresies.

Finally, if you're referring to this in relation to "blessing and cursing"...

Genesis chapter 12

[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

...then you need to know that Abraham died before there was ever any such thing as either a natural Israelite or natural Jew upon the face of the earth and this can easily be documented from scripture. This "blessing and cursing" pertains to Abraham's "seed", SINGULAR, and that "seed is Christ" (Galatians 3:16). Yes, as I said in an earlier post, the real "replacement theology" that's being taught by many a deceived professing Christian these days is that natural Israel has somehow "replaced" the True Israel, Jesus Christ...and I'll be more than happy to elaborate on the same.

Im a dispensationalist...Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by faith—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the church. They believe that the promises God made to Israel (for land, many descendants, and blessings) in the Old Testament will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation chapter 20. Dispensationalists believe that just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Im a dispensationalist...Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by faith—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the church. They believe that the promises God made to Israel (for land, many descendants, and blessings) in the Old Testament will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation chapter 20. Dispensationalists believe that just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel

There's only one (MAJOR) problem with that:

"Dispensationalism" is a HERESY...and such can easily be proven from scripture.

Anyhow, if I can swing it, then sometime soon I'll try to start a thread entitled "The Israel of God" where I'll document the HERESY of "dispensationalism" and some other heresies as well.

 

[kaylagrl]

There's only one (MAJOR) problem with that:

"Dispensationalism" is a HERESY...and such can easily be proven from scripture.

Anyhow, if I can swing it, then sometime soon I'll try to start a thread entitled "The Israel of God" where I'll document the HERESY of "dispensationalism" and some other heresies as well.

Yes please do so.I am getting some info soon on this subject. Dispens. vs Covenant theology. Could prove interesting as a discussion.

 

[kaylagrl]

I think this is where we are running into issues.....

Relevant Bible Teaching

 

[GoodGnus]

Dispensationalists believe that just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel

God, being infinite, does not "focus His attention" one place one day and another the next. The history of Israel was directed by God to send a savior to man.

Whatever happens in the 1000 year reign will be a continuation of God's plan of redemption.

I am not familiar with "Dispensational Theology" but what you described is certainly not a heresy.

 

[kaylagrl]

God, being infinite, does not "focus His attention" one place one day and another the next. The history of Israel was directed by God to send a savior to man.

Whatever happens in the 1000 year reign will be a continuation of God's plan of redemption.

I am not familiar with "Dispensational Theology" but what you described is certainly not a heresy.

Thank you,I didnt think it was lol But not all think so apparently.