John 3:16 what exactly does it mean in detail!!

[zone]

Hi Israel,

Thanks for your reply. Regarding the verses you quote in Timothy Pual is talking about corporate prayer, I a sure we all pray that men will be saved, our leaders friends family etc. and also addressing false teaching through the whole letter. Cf 1:5-7. Paul then seems to arguing against an exclusitive tendencay for some sort of Judaism.. thus downplaying the need to evangelize to the Gentiles. Therefore Paul can with us all say that God wants to see all men saved not just one type or ethnicity.

If you are using 1Timothy 2:3-4 as an argument for uniberaslism, then it falls at the first hurdle, for does not Paul also say in the very same letter:

24The sins of some men are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later 1 Timothy 5:24, cf. 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." MTT 25:46

also please refer to in the same letter: 4:1; 6:10; now cf. Mt 25:30, 41, 46; Rev 14:9-22

hi phil....
there's that LITTLE WORD ALL again.

the same one used by (Talmudic) dispensationalism to claim "jewish universalism" (per Romans 11)

love zone

(ps: GOOD NEWS! a die-hard dispy; ex-pretribber; etc is declaring he is NOW REFORMED/covenant (having bravely put aside past presuppositions and carefully and prayerfully considered other hermeneutics, he says: IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES SENSE!)....as the natural course dictates, he is now examining the millennial teachings and is 'seeing" Amillennialism in scripture (esp Rev 20).

PRAISE GOD! what joy for me. and what awesome testimony from the Holy Spirit working in him that he is willing, nay, EAGER to say what he is discovering rather than covering it up in shame or embarrassment at having believed false teachings)....THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL!

love zone

 

[phil36]

hi phil....
there's that LITTLE WORD ALL again.

the same one used by (Talmudic) dispensationalism to claim "jewish universalism" (per Romans 11)

love zone

(ps: GOOD NEWS! a die-hard dispy; ex-pretribber; etc is declaring he is NOW REFORMED/covenant (having bravely put aside past presuppositions and carefully and prayerfully considered other hermeneutics, he says: IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES SENSE!)....as the natural course dictates, he is now examining the millennial teachings and is 'seeing" Amillennialism in scripture (esp Rev 20).

PRAISE GOD! what joy for me. and what awesome testimony from the Holy Spirit working in him that he is willing, nay, EAGER to say what he is discovering rather than covering it up in shame or embarrassment at having believed false teachings)....THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL!

love zone

Hi Zone,

It's amazing how this one little word 'All' can have a big impact on how one see's God in action.

Universalist, just see the word 'all'..and ka -boom...All men are saved.... I suppose there is no need for a saviour then??

I used to be a somewhat dispensationalist when I first got saved, however through actually investigeting what scripture actually says, in regards to covenant, regeneration, Faith, Eschatlology, I cam tot he same conclusion that Reformed theology is the Gospel.

I can say that with Spurgeon, reformed theology is not just a system of theology but, it is the Gospel.

Have a blessed day zone.

 

[Scotth1960]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Now we hear all sorts about what this actually means from universalism to Hyper calvinism... But what does John mean by the word 'world'.

We know that God loves and we also know that whoever believes will have eternal life (1 John 5:11-12). So to get to what John is really saying.

What does JOHN mean by "The World"?

It means anyone at all in the world who believes in Him, Jesus Christ, is given the free gift of eternal life, which God wills to give to all people (2 Peter 3:9), and not to the elect only. Only those who actually believe in Christ are the elect.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hi Zone,

It's amazing how this one little word 'All' can have a big impact on how one see's God in action.

Universalist, just see the word 'all'..and ka -boom...All men are saved.... I suppose there is no need for a saviour then??

I used to be a somewhat dispensationalist when I first got saved, however through actually investigeting what scripture actually says, in regards to covenant, regeneration, Faith, Eschatlology, I cam tot he same conclusion that Reformed theology is the Gospel.

I can say that with Spurgeon, reformed theology is not just a system of theology but, it is the Gospel.

Have a blessed day zone.

2 Peter 3:9 proves reformed theology is not the Gospel. The Church Fathers, all of them except for Augustine of Hippo, and the Council of Jerusalem of 1672 AD, all prove that Calvinism is not the Gospel. Even some of the Protestants, as in the Lutherans in their magnum opus, the "Book of Concord", show that predestination is not double, but single.
Here Lutheranism agrees with Eastern Orthodoxy, as both believe in single predestination, and not in double predestination. Double predestination is a heresy.
God really does will all to be saved (2 Peter 3:9), and does not will some to be predestined to eternal death. The Westminster Confession of Faith is heretical in its doctrine of double predestination, and is heretical when it says the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, in clear contradiction against Jesus Christ our Saviour in John 15:26.
Reformed theology is not the Gospel in that Reformed theology contradicts Jesus Christ in John 15:26, and says, wrongly, that the Spirit of God proceeds from both the Father "AND THE SON" (FILIOQUE). FILIOQUE is heresy!