John 3:18

[Webers.Home]

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Those who have believed in Christ ARE God's child NOW.

To my knowledge, God doesn't take in foster kids. The children of God are
either His progeny or His adopted. Well; God has only one progeny; and
you, by your own arguments, are not adopted, ergo: you're an outsider:
an orphan.

Where does the Bible talk about the Spirit "verifying" one's adoption?

• Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are
children of God,

The Greek word translated "bears witness" means to corroborate; defined by
Webster's as to support or help prove (a statement, theory, etc.) by
providing information or evidence.

This particular corroboration isn't public: it's private, i.e. one-on-one, spirit
to spirit, heart to heart. Needless to say then, this kind of corroboration is
supernatural, viz: no matter how well I present my information in a
discussion like this one, I will fail to confirm someone's adoption for them
because it requires an act of God to succeed.

FYI: Gal 4:6 and Rom 8:15 speak of the spirit of adoption, and the spirit of
God's son.

The spirit of adoption and the spirit of God's son are very useful, and
together; blessings beyond belief.

Apparently their purpose is to enable folks accepted into God's family to feel
at home, i.e. to feel the belonging, the affection, the friendship, the bonding,
and the security feelings that His son feels in God's home.

Sometimes adopted children feel somewhat inferior to biological children;
and I think that's likely a very normal reaction. The spirit of God's son and
the spirit of adoption are no doubt intended to counter those kinds of
negative thoughts and insure that everyone brought into God's home feels
just as much loved there as His son.
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[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Those who have believed in Christ ARE God's child NOW.

.To my knowledge, God doesn't take in foster kids. The children of God are
either His progeny or His adopted. Well; God has only one progeny; and you, by your own arguments, are not adopted, ergo: you're an outsider: an orphan.

There is NO biblical distinction between "progeny" and "adopted". Since I have put my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, I am His CHILD NOW. Are you trying to be dense? Are you unaware of John 1:12 and Gal 3:26? Those prove that I am His CHILD.

• Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are
children of God,

The Greek word translated "bears witness" means to corroborate; defined by
Webster's as to support or help prove (a statement, theory, etc.) by
providing information or evidence.

Well, at least you quoted it correctly. But you are misreading it nonetheless. From your post, you think the verse says "bears witness TO TO TO our spirit, when it says WITH WITH WITH our spirit.

Do you understand the difference? It is huge.

This particular corroboration isn't public: it's private, i.e. one-on-one, spirit
to spirit, heart to heart. Needless to say then, this kind of corroboration is
supernatural, viz: no matter how well I present my information in a
discussion like this one, I will fail to confirm someone's adoption for them
because it requires an act of God to succeed.

Nope.

FYI: Gal 4:6 and Rom 8:15 speak of the spirit of adoption, and the spirit of
God's son.

Yep. And the actual adoption will occur at the resurrection. Just as Rom 8:23 SAYS.

The spirit of adoption and the spirit of God's son are very useful, and
together; blessings beyond belief.

Agreed.

Apparently their purpose is to enable folks accepted into God's family to feel
at home, i.e. to feel the belonging, the affection, the friendship, the bonding,
and the security feelings that His son feels in God's home.

Your emotional feelings are irrelevant to what the Word of God says. No offense.

Sometimes adopted children feel somewhat inferior to biological children

You didn't take my advice and learn about Roman adoptions. Too bad. That's how Paul used the word. He wasn't even aware of what 20th Century adoption is about. Totally foreign to him. You should learn about the Roman adoption ceremony in the 1st Century, which is the ONLY KIND of adoption that Paul was aware of.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

A couple of things...

First of all, take that Bible (mis-) translation and throw it in the garbage where it belongs.

Nice way to start. I disregarded the rest of your post after that. You could have just expressed that you thought
it wasn't the best translation of that verse.

 

[Live4Him3]

Nice way to start. I disregarded the rest of your post after that. You could have just expressed that you thought
it wasn't the best translation of that verse.

It's a horrible (mis-) translation overall, and that is why I began my post the way that I did.

 

[GaryA]

If I understand you correctly, you believe Jesus wasn’t God’s only begotten Son prior to being a human. When He was a human, He also wasn’t God’s only begotten Son until after resurrection?

I believe he is trying to associate 'Son' with the virgin birth and 'begotten' with the resurrection of Christ.

Otherwise, he is trying to associate 'begotten Son' with the resurrection of Christ.

However - by definition - 'begotten Son' is referring to the virgin birth (conception by the Holy Spirit).

Anyone who does not want to believe this - look up the original Greek and Hebrew words that were translated.

Jesus wasn't "God's only begotten Son" prior to being born-into-the-human-race - that is precisely what 'begotten Son' is - begotten as a human son.

(The word 'prior' used in a chronological historical sense.)

 

[Webers.Home]

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There is NO biblical distinction between "progeny" and "adopted".

Progeny are one's biological children, whereas adopted children are not.

For example: the offspring of a parent plant-- e.g. corn and wheat seeds -
are progeny. Whereas parent plants produced many seeds, God produced
only one, This fact is known by the several places in the New Testament
where Christ is spoken of as God's only begotten son: translated from the
Greek word monogenes which is a compound word.

One part is mono, which music buffs recognize as a single channel rather
than two or four in surround sound stereo. Mono is very common; e.g.
monogamy, monofilament, monotonous, mononucleotide, monochrome,
monogram, monolith, monologue, monomial, et al.

The other part is genes; from whence we get the English word gene; which
Webster's defines as a biological term indicating a part of a cell that controls
or influences the appearance, growth, etc., of a living thing. In other words:
monogenes refers to one biological gene set rather than many.

Monogenes always, and without exception, refers to a parent's sole biological
child in the New Testament. If parents have two or more biological children,
none of them qualify as monogenes because in order to qualify as a
monogenes child, the child has to be an only child.

Examples of monogenes children are located at Luke 7:12, Luke 8:42, Luke 9:38,
and Heb 11:17.

So then, scientifically speaking, Christ is unique in that he is God's sole
biological offspring, while God's other sons are not. They are God's
handiwork rather than His seed.

FAQ: God literally fathered a child?

REPLY: I think it's probably a bit more accurate to say that God literally
co-fathered a child.

FAQ: How did he do it? Is there a Mrs. God? And who was the other father?

REPLY: Jesus' conception, described at Luke 1:26-35, wasn't only
miraculous, it was a very mysterious collaboration of human and divine.

David contributed the human component. (Luke 1:32, Acts 13:22-23, Rom
1:1-3, and 2Tim 2:8)

God contributed the divine component. (Luke 1:35)

Jesus is often referred to as the Son of God because nobody else is related
to God like he is.
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[GaryA]

 

[GaryA]

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In verse 16 - 'begotten' is talking about Bethlehem - 'gave' is talking about Calvary.

God 'gave' (as a sacrifice) His only begotten Son on the cross of Calvary.

Jesus was already God's "only begotten Son" when He was on the cross.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It's a horrible (mis-) translation overall, and that is why I began my post the way that I did.

In your opinion. I have no idea which translation it is. The OP didn't identify it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

.Progeny are one's biological children, whereas adopted children are not.

Please quit thinking modern adoption. That isn't biblical adoption. Paul had NO IDEA what modern adoption is.

When a person puts their saving faith in Jesus Christ, they are given the Holy Spirit to indwell them, as a deposit which guarantees their eternal inheritance as God's own possession.

The Holy Spirit is like DNA. The child's DNA identifies their parent's DNA.

So, in God's economy, every believer has God's DNA in them. So again, as I said, there is no difference between "progeny" and "adoption" in the biblical sense.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Please quit thinking modern adoption. That isn't biblical adoption. Paul had NO IDEA what modern adoption is.

When a person puts their saving faith in Jesus Christ, they are given the Holy Spirit to indwell them, as a deposit which guarantees their eternal inheritance as God's own possession.

The Holy Spirit is like DNA. The child's DNA identifies their parent's DNA.

So, in God's economy, every believer has God's DNA in them. So again, as I said, there is no difference between "progeny" and "adoption" in the biblical sense.

How can a spirit have DNA?

 

[Runningman]

Jesus wasn't "God's only begotten Son" prior to being born-into-the-human-race - that is precisely what 'begotten Son' is - begotten as a human son.

(The word 'prior' used in a chronological historical sense.)

1 John 4:9
9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The way most English readers would understand 1 John 4:9 is that prior to being sent into the world (Earth) Jesus was God’s only begotten Son. In other words, it means Jesus was God’s only begotten Son prior to being a human.

 

[FreeGrace2]

How can a spirit have DNA?

The DNA is spiritual. For our spiritual birth.

Remember, I said the Holy Spirit is LIKE DNA.

The Holy Spirit is in us. He is Divinity. So we have Divinity in us. That is God's seal on His own possession. Eph 1:13,14

This seal guarantees the believer's security.

 

[ResidentAlien]

This seal guarantees the believer's security.

There it is.

 

[GaryA]

1 John 4:9
9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The way most English readers would understand 1 John 4:9 is that prior to being sent into the world (Earth) Jesus was God’s only begotten Son. In other words, it means Jesus was God’s only begotten Son prior to being a human.

If that is true, then it explains why there is so much confusion...

SMH

(It is really not that complicated; rather, it is quite straight-forward.)

 

[GaryA]

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

In verse 16 - 'begotten' is talking about Bethlehem - 'gave' is talking about Calvary.

God 'gave' (as a sacrifice) His only begotten Son on the cross of Calvary.

If you understand this - it will make a lot of things "just clear right up"...

 

[Webers.Home]

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Please quit thinking modern adoption. That isn't biblical adoption. Paul had
NO IDEA what modern adoption is.

Paul was a Pharisee. As such he was a student of the Old Testament-- thus
he would've been familiar with biblical adoption. For example:

Pharaoh's daughter adopted Moses. (Ex 2:10)

Jacob adopted two of Joseph's sons. (Gen 48:5-6)

There's also an adoption when men slept with the maid(s) to produce
children for their wives. (Gen 16:2 and Gen 30:3)

* Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have managed to successfully
undergo the birth spoken of by John 1:12-13 and John 3:3-8. If that's the
case, then I know for a fact that the Spirit has been working to convince you
that you are already adopted into God's family. If I'm correct, then I am
right in accusing you of willfully, and stubbornly, sinning against God's
providence.

• 1Thess 5:19 . . Quench not the Spirit.
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The child's DNA identifies their parent's DNA.

If there's anybody has God's DNA it would be Jesus because his Father has
but one descendant. (Luke 1:35, John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18,
and 1John 4:9 )

FAQ: How was Jesus able to remain sinless his entire life?

REPLY: He had God's DNA.

• 1 John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Born-again Christians do not have God's seed abiding in them because they
not only can sin, but they do sin; on practically a regular basis.

• 1 John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.
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[Runningman]

If that is true, then it explains why there is so much confusion...

SMH

(It is really not that complicated; rather, it is quite straight-forward.)

Why is there so much confusion and who is confused about what? 1 John 4:9 says Jesus is God’s only begotten Son before being human. The pre-existence of Jesus is accurate.

John 1:18
18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 17:5
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 17:24
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Colossians 1:15-17
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Shame on me forgetting to mention the most important adoption of all time:
Joseph and Jesus.

An angel of The Lord spoke to Joseph in a dream and instructed him to take
part in naming Mary's virgin-conceived baby boy.

"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus" (Matt
1:21)

Joseph complied.

"And he gave him the name Jesus." (Matt 1:25)

So Christ went in the books as Joseph's son because that's how it worked in
those days when a man stood with a woman to name her child (cf. Luke
1:59, Luke 2:21). And from that day on; Joseph was regarded by all,
including Mary, as Jesus' father. (Matt 13:55, Luke 2:27, Luke 2:41, Luke
2:48)

God decreed Jesus to ascend David's throne (Luke 1:32) but had to do it
with Solomon because it is thru him that the throne passes down. (1Chron
22:9-10, cf. 1Kings 1:13-39)

Christ had to obtain a place in Solomon's genealogy by means of adoption
because that was the only legitimate way that Jesus could ascend David's
throne seeing as how neither foster kids nor stepchildren have inheritance
rights.
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