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Neither an orthodox nor the protestant. And consider yourself that way it's just remnant of old creation.
1Cor 3:1-4 So, brothers and sisters, I could not speak to you as spiritual people, but instead as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
I fed you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready. In fact, you are still not ready,
for you are still influenced by the flesh. For since there is still jealousy and dissension among you, are you not influenced by the flesh and behaving like unregenerate people?
For whenever someone says, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” are you not merely human?
There is no such thing as God ask you to whom you rank yourself, because it doesn't matter what kind of label you tag on yourself but only how and for how much the Christ has formed in you.
1Cor 3:1-4 So, brothers and sisters, I could not speak to you as spiritual people, but instead as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
I fed you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready. In fact, you are still not ready,
for you are still influenced by the flesh. For since there is still jealousy and dissension among you, are you not influenced by the flesh and behaving like unregenerate people?
For whenever someone says, “I am with Paul,” or “I am with Apollos,” are you not merely human?
There is no such thing as God ask you to whom you rank yourself, because it doesn't matter what kind of label you tag on yourself but only how and for how much the Christ has formed in you.
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So the wind could leave as "He" pleases?
Heb 6: It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen[SUP] [/SUP]away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
Heb 6: It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen[SUP] [/SUP]away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
Because the wind gives new life and is like a rebirth, it can never be undone. You can't get unborn, but you can stop growing or even die. This is what Heb. 6 references, a lack of growth and possibly even death. It doesn't negate the new spiritual regeneration, it just encourages one to continue to grow. Get busy living, or get busy dying.
Also, as a Christian one need not be defined by a denominational label, but you can't have any sort of doctrine without making a distinction from other doctrine, and thus all doctrine can be labelled. It is not wrong to live within one's label, or even define another, it is wrong to falsely label or judge before understanding.
Also, as a Christian one need not be defined by a denominational label, but you can't have any sort of doctrine without making a distinction from other doctrine, and thus all doctrine can be labelled. It is not wrong to live within one's label, or even define another, it is wrong to falsely label or judge before understanding.
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Doctrine, labels - In my opinion, it's all borders and also props (supports, legs) of immature faith. This is a kind of cradle of the limits within which the baby in security, both from external influence and from their own unconscious actions.
Their need doctrine and schoolmasters becasue they are susceptible to various kinds of teachings
Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge *of the Son of God* – a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature.
Eph 4:14 So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.
As you can seen Paul also using the word 'wind' and also saying about babes, who don't know about what kind of teaching, which wing the teachings brought.
In fact, and John and Paul speak of the fact that a born again cannot distinguish between sources of all spiritual teachings, for this reason he needs teachers, Apostles, Teachers, etc. Until they will able to.
Heb 5:13 For everyone who lives on milk is inexperienced in the message of righteousness, because he is an infant.
1Cor 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.
1Cor 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.
1Cor 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Until they will able to.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
1Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
The older the person, the less he needs crutches (props). The truth of the old nature to cling to various external attributes or even a different kind of mindset. And all these doctrinal, denominational differences included teachings and possessiveness of any kind of spirutual gifts to a specific time begin a subject of pride and exclusivity for their human-minded.
1Cor 4:7 For who concedes you any superiority? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you received it, why do you boast as though you did not?
Personally to me it is not that I rejecte. I look at it as a given, as necessary, it is what it is, but only for be able to see and stat working on them.
Their need doctrine and schoolmasters becasue they are susceptible to various kinds of teachings
Eph 4:11 It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge *of the Son of God* – a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature.
Eph 4:14 So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.
As you can seen Paul also using the word 'wind' and also saying about babes, who don't know about what kind of teaching, which wing the teachings brought.
In fact, and John and Paul speak of the fact that a born again cannot distinguish between sources of all spiritual teachings, for this reason he needs teachers, Apostles, Teachers, etc. Until they will able to.
Heb 5:13 For everyone who lives on milk is inexperienced in the message of righteousness, because he is an infant.
1Cor 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.
1Cor 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.
1Cor 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Until they will able to.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
1Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
The older the person, the less he needs crutches (props). The truth of the old nature to cling to various external attributes or even a different kind of mindset. And all these doctrinal, denominational differences included teachings and possessiveness of any kind of spirutual gifts to a specific time begin a subject of pride and exclusivity for their human-minded.
1Cor 4:7 For who concedes you any superiority? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you received it, why do you boast as though you did not?
Personally to me it is not that I rejecte. I look at it as a given, as necessary, it is what it is, but only for be able to see and stat working on them.
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From eternity point of view and in the context of person transformation belonging, and especially imaginary its exclusivity is just another elements of the world, from which you should get rid of.
I care little for what one sees and appreciates the Russians. In the context of eternity does not matter which you earthly nation belong, for:
Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:10 and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
Col 3:11 Here there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.
I care little for what one sees and appreciates the Russians. In the context of eternity does not matter which you earthly nation belong, for:
Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:10 and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
Col 3:11 Here there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.
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The thing is that I am not identify myself with the nation, I can use this identification only in the outward world that because it's how the world works, it is their language. Within myself I consider myself free from being belong to the nation and stuff like that. At least I try. From that point of view, I prefer talking about Who made me born in Russia. So the answer would be a God. The outward condition as a place where I born, language, environment and stuff like that it's only entourage, the special and necessary condition that my spirit which is belong only to God
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
who has no nation and other for or self-indification forms as a denominations, doctrines etc which only in world people using those sings for identify themselves.
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
who has no nation and other for or self-indification forms as a denominations, doctrines etc which only in world people using those sings for identify themselves.
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I'd prefer talking about that kind of nation
Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household,
Heb 11:14-16 For those who speak in such a way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
In fact, if they had been thinking of the land that they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.
But as it is, they aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household,
Heb 11:14-16 For those who speak in such a way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
In fact, if they had been thinking of the land that they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.
But as it is, they aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
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Because you already have your answer on your question. So my question is why are you asking me that? That's the rethorical question, because I think I know the answer too 
I'm not consider myself that I belong to whatever you sees me to belong to, it's only in your head. Me it's not what you can identify with the passports, languages, nations, traditions, customs, teachings and stuff like that, those are only tamporary thing.
I'm not consider myself that I belong to whatever you sees me to belong to, it's only in your head. Me it's not what you can identify with the passports, languages, nations, traditions, customs, teachings and stuff like that, those are only tamporary thing.
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This is such a beautiful thread, and some of the posts are beautiful, too. I was lucky enough to know the day and hour it happened to me, so I could finally understand the word. I was such a baby that day, and each day I listen and study His word I grow in the Lord.
But if the HS isn't understood, it can lead to something that is not a blessing. Some say they have the spirit so they don't need the word. Some say they refuse to be circumcised because they don't need to be circumcised in the flesh, we are asked to be circumcised in the spirit. We are to learn from the word. They refuse to learn anything about the role of the priests in the temple because Christ is now our high priest. The word of God, our scripture, is needed to train the HS, it is disastrous to be so arrogant that the word of God is not used as God wanted it to be used.
As an excuse for this, often I hear that Christ made any learning from scripture given in BC should not be listened to. They justify this by pointing out such as how scripture told to use the blood of animals for salvation, we are not to do that any more. Scripture says we are to learn and grow in Christ. Through the HS we can grow, but the HS was not given to us to destroy the scripture we had in BC.
But if the HS isn't understood, it can lead to something that is not a blessing. Some say they have the spirit so they don't need the word. Some say they refuse to be circumcised because they don't need to be circumcised in the flesh, we are asked to be circumcised in the spirit. We are to learn from the word. They refuse to learn anything about the role of the priests in the temple because Christ is now our high priest. The word of God, our scripture, is needed to train the HS, it is disastrous to be so arrogant that the word of God is not used as God wanted it to be used.
As an excuse for this, often I hear that Christ made any learning from scripture given in BC should not be listened to. They justify this by pointing out such as how scripture told to use the blood of animals for salvation, we are not to do that any more. Scripture says we are to learn and grow in Christ. Through the HS we can grow, but the HS was not given to us to destroy the scripture we had in BC.