John, Chapter 18......"what is truth?"

[p_rehbein]

John 18:33) Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 .) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 .) Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 .) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 .) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 .) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.


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[Karraster]

John 18:33) Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 .) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 .) Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 .) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 .) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 .) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.


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Again, philosophy shows up in scripture, which Paul dealt with a lot. (yes I know your post is John)

Stoics-School of philosophy was founded c 300 BC.Citium (in Cyprus) What is truth? There was no university criterion of truth. It is not based on reason, but on feeling. (which reminds me of God saying come let us reason together)He didn't say let us examine our feelings. Feelings are not facts.

Even today that thinking is prevalent, in grade school it was introduced to me." Everybody's truth is different, what is true for you may not be true for me." Wow! What hogwash! How confusing to a child that is grounded in absolute truth and then go to school to hear the teacher plant seeds of doubt. There is truth! Because one does not know truth does not mean truth does not exist.

It is said of truth, "you don't have to defend truth, just set it free, it is like a lion and can defend itself".

 

[Bowman]

John 18:33) Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 .) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 .) Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 .) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 .) Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 .) Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.


Offered for discussion.............God bless

Whenever the NT uses the term 'The Truth' it ALWAYS has Jesus as the subject.

 

[CWJ]

'Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto Him,
"Art thou the King of the Jews?"
Jesus answered him,
"Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?"
Pilate answered,
"Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered Thee unto me:
what hast thou done?"
Jesus answered,
"My kingdom is not of this world:
if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight,
that I should not be delivered to the Jews:
but now is My kingdom not from hence."
Pilate therefore said unto Him,
"Art thou a king then?"
Jesus answered,
"Thou sayest that I am a king."
"To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,
that I should bear witness unto the truth.
Every one that is of the truth heareth My voice."
Pilate saith unto Him,
"What is truth?"
And when he (Pilate) had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them,
"I find in Him no fault at all."'
(John 18:33-38)
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Hi P_rehbein,

I will answer with further quotes:-

'... ... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.'
(John 6:63)

'Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.'
(John 17:17)

* God's Word (Written) is Truth, and our Lord Jesus Christ Who is (The Living Word), spoke only what He heard of the Father (John 14:10) - which is TRUTH.

* All Scripture is written for our learning, and for instruction in righteousness. Yet although all is FOR us, not all is ABOUT us. Therefore we must apply the principle of 2 Timothy 2:15 in our reading and application of it.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[crossnote]

I see this passage showing the world's lack of concern over Truth but rather it's clutching for Power.
Pilate didn't care about a king of truth but rather he wanted to protect his earthly kingdom of power.

 

[CWJ]

John's gospel is a series of witness statements, for his purpose was that his readers should believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and believing should have life through His Name. This is yet another word of witness by our Lord Himself.

The words, 'What is Truth', is spoken in response to the Lord's words,

'To this end was I born, and for this cause came I unto the world,
that I should bear witness unto The TRUTH.
Everyone that is of The TRUTH heareth my voice.'

* This is the response of a world-weary individual isn't it, 'What is Truth'!

* He needed to know that it is not a question of WHAT but WHO!

For our Lord Himself is 'the Way', 'the Truth' and 'the Life', and no man can come to the Father but by Him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Vernon]

"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." John 1:17-18 ESV

The truth is God as revealed in Jesus Christ. This world is not the truth and does not reveal the truth, as Jesus told Pilate: "My kingdom is not of this world."
The Spirit of 'Truth' (Holy Spirit) is in this world but not visible to this world, and He bears witness of the truth (Jesus Christ). The Holy Spirit is the only evidence that God is real and He is the true witness. Many counterfeits are in this world and are from the evil one, deceiving those who love the darkness rather than the light.
Those of us who love the light come to the light and receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit enters our souls and reveals the truth to us. Those who claim to be in the light without confessing Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are deceived and the light they claim to have is not the light of God, but is a false light of the evil one. "Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness." Luke 11:35
Our generation dwells in the time of the great deception, and so I believe we are close to the return of Jesus Christ.
The word of God as revealed by the Holy Spirit is the truth, the only truth. We who have been shown mercy and received the Holy Spirit are blessed and must realize how unworthy we are of such a blessing.
May we be humbled and realize that it is only because God loves us and forgives us that we have received the Holy Spirit to protect us from the evil one and lead us into all truth.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be to the ages of the ages. Amen.

 

[john832]

Read the thread title and the first thing that popped into my mind is an old memory scripture...

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[guestno2]

John 18:33)Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.


Offered for discussion.............God bless

Hello there,
I used to kinda sympathized as a child with Pilate, because he didn’t want to convict Jesus, he struggled at least, what can not be said about high priest and Jews

But my dad always found my pity for Pilat naïve.. and he always tried to correct my attitude ..

He (my dad) considered pilats question (what is truth) as ironic skepticism, so for him was Pilat P. really wrong and negative person without faith and respect for God.


I understand that


Basically Pilat P. rejected Jesus appeal to recognize Him as the truth, but he also refused be against Him. He (Pilate) advocates “his” right to be neutral (but no person does not have such a right, we have no right as people to stay neutral in case of Jesus death and salvation work, God not given to people such a right) so he was actually really arrogant and stupid as well ….


So, mene tekel ufarsin
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No neutrality right to the Truth.
No veto for us.


Thinking otherwise is temerity (also kind of stupidity)

Temerity is punish by God with death (ex. 19,12; lev 10,2; act 5) this kind of temerity had nothing to do with bold courage of Gods children (heb 4,16)


Be blessed

Btw, I find interesting those gossips (legends) about how pilat died and what happened with his dead body, lol poor thing Swiss, heh

 

[p_rehbein]

Some good thoughts.............most are right on target.........

My thoughts are........

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God.............."

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life..............."

"Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.............."

"...........Thy Word is Truth.............."

even the youngest of believers has to begin to see a pattern here yes?

John 17:14) I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 .) I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 .) They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 .) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 .) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 .) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 .) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 .) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

[CWJ]

Quote: p_rehbein,
Some good thoughts.............most are right on target.........
My thoughts are........

"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was God,
and the Word was with God.............."

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life..............."
"Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.............."
"...........Thy Word is Truth.............."

even the youngest of believers has to begin to see a pattern here yes?

'I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them,
because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world,
but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world,
even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us: t
hat the world may believe that thou hast sent me.'
John 17:14-21)

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PRAISE GOD!

p_rehbein,

As I was about to read your entry (above), my sister rang me, and as I listened to her, my eyes alighted on the words before me on the screen, which were the very words that she was quoting in my ear.

'I have given them Thy Word'

When we met earlier this week, we had decided that we would just read the Word of God, not follow a set course of study for a while, and she rang to say that she had begun to do so, and was being blessed by the Lord as she read of the work of God in creation, and the manifestation there of the work of the Holy Spirit, and of the Word (John 1:1) in action in the creation process being carried out according to God's plan and purpose. She quoted John 17:14, to show that the giving of God's Word was sufficient in itself to provide us with all that we need to know God and to grow in grace and truth and in the knowledge of Him.

'That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word,
that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish. '
(Eph 5:26)

Praise His Holy Name.

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

Chris

 

[p_rehbein]

CWJ..............I'm glad you connected with these scriptures............God bless and keep you and yours

 

[royalscot]

if the truth sets you free. what are you bing, set free from.

 

[GregoryC]

if the truth sets you free. what are you bing, set free from.

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus

 

[chubbena]

I see this passage showing the world's lack of concern over Truth but rather it's clutching for Power.
Pilate didn't care about a king of truth but rather he wanted to protect his earthly kingdom of power.

And Pilate went as far as ignoring the suffering of his wife. c.f. Matt 27:19.
And what about us?
Don't we all turn away when truth disturbs our own little kingdom, habits and convenience even sufferings can't turn us back?

 

[CWJ]

if the truth sets you free. what are you being set free from?

* This is a good question, Royalscot.

'And ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you free.'
(John 8:32)

* The crucifixion, resurrection and glorification of our Lord Jesus Christ had obviously yet to take place when these words were spoken, so they have a different meaning within this context than they would have later: after the all-sufficient sacrifice for sin had been made and accepted by God the Father on our behalf.

GegoryC, quoted John 8;33,34 which says,

They answered Him, (The Lord Jesus Christ)
"We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man:
how sayest thou, 'Ye shall be made free'?"
Jesus answered them,
"Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

* Then come those glorious words in verse 36,

'If the Son therefore shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.'

* Yet, before this could be done He had yet to be 'lifted up', by those very ones to whom he spoke.

'Then said Jesus unto them,
"When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am He,
and that I do nothing of Myself;
but as My Father hath taught Me,
I speak these things."'
(John 8:28)

Just further thoughts, Royalscot.

 

[CWJ]

Re: #16

Divine Prophecy:-
'Then said Jesus unto them,
"When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am He,
(John 8:28a)

It's Fulfillment:-
'Then Peter said unto them,
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
"Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.'
(Act 2:38 -41)

 

[royalscot]

who s truth is being classed as worthless. still dose not answer what is truth. or why logic needs to find reason, that something is missing. what could that be. because it written. so there is the answer. yet do not commit an opinion. so why ask logic , for reason, to what do you seek to find. if children can read there bible and answer with the same bible verse.

 

[royalscot]

to gregor c pressed the wrong button

 

[Kefa54]

What is truth?....Jesus Christ.