John Hagee....

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hislastwalk

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Ritter said:
But that is the inherent flaw in your argument. Maybe I have heard two sermons completely out of context, but in both of them he focused on redemption.
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I barely hear him talk about redemption.
I always hear politics.
 
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hislastwalk said:
just because it says the word 'sin' doesn't mean he was preaching against. he could have been talking how Christ's finished work sets you free from sin. :)
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Now you're talking! When Christ gave himself up on the cross and was resurrected on the 3rd day, the power of sin over mankind was completely shattered because not only did Christ give his life for the forgiveness of sins but also He gave up His Spirit that we all might be partakers of that same Spirit through which we can walk in victory over the lusts of the world and the desires of the flesh.

People on CC accuse me of talking about sin all of the time but they tend to overlook the fact that I'm not talking about sin but rather how to be free from it. Most don't want to hear because they have been taught they can be free while still bound.
 
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Now you're talking! When Christ gave himself up on the cross and was resurrected on the 3rd day, the power of sin over mankind was completely shattered because not only did Christ give his life for the forgiveness of sins but also He gave up His Spirit that we all might be partakers of that same Spirit through which we can walk in victory over the lusts of the world and the desires of the flesh.

People on CC accuse me of talking about sin all of the time but they tend to overlook the fact that I'm not talking about sin but rather how to be free from it. Most don't want to hear because they have been taught they can be free while still bound.
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I'm 100% in righteous in Christ.
100% forgiven. :D
 
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People on CC accuse me of talking about sin all of the time but they tend to overlook the fact that I'm not talking about sin but rather how to be free from it. Most don't want to hear because they have been taught they can be free while still bound.
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I like to say..
"I'm not excusing sin, I'm excusing mistakes."
 
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I believe the only thing the Holy Spirit convicts NON believers of is unbelief..
I'm talking about non-believers btw :p
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I do hope and pray that you never have to deal with the following scenerio during you're Christian walk - most do - but I honestly believe that it can be avoided. However, I have met very few Christians who's faith hasn't been shaken at some point and time in their walk and they felt like giving up. Some fall into luke warm religious complacency while others fall back into sinful patterns that God had delivered from once saved. Thankfully God never gives up on us thus the Holy Spirit will continue to reach out to us until we decide to humble ourselves and answer His invitation to return to flock. Sometimes repentance is a necessity after salvation and as long as people preach that one can be saved while still under the bondage of sin, the necessity for repentance in the life of a believer will remain.
 
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He whom the Son sets free is (literally) free indeed. Not hypothetically free even though still bound by sin and disease, but literally free (made whole, SOZO in the Greek). The chains have been literally been broken. That my friends is the true gospel of finished works. :)


 
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this man is straight up dangerous in his politics and theology.

this man teaches a theology, and he himself believes in Dispensationalism so much, he has gone on the record to tell his congregation and followers that Jesus did not come to be the Messiah... not only that, but he, like Community Bible Church here in San Antonio, milk their congregation through the tithing doctrine.

the fruits of this man are truly coming into view
 
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hislastwalk said:
So what are you're guys opinions on John Hagee?
For one, He preaches sin more than He preaches Jesus' finished works on the cross...
but what bothers me the most is he is pro-life, but yet pro-war...
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for the record, there is nothing wrong with preaching about sin... but when one preaches about sin, they must, and I repeat, MUST also focus on the redemption and forgiveness of sin through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

concerning his political stance, he is a Dispensationalist/Christian Zionist. I have yet to see anything good come from that line of theology
 
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hislastwalk

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Zilla64007 said:
this man is straight up dangerous in his politics and theology.

this man teaches a theology, and he himself believes in Dispensationalism so much, he has gone on the record to tell his congregation and followers that Jesus did not come to be the Messiah... not only that, but he, like Community Bible Church here in San Antonio, milk their congregation through the tithing doctrine.

the fruits of this man are truly coming into view
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I agree....
 
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hislastwalk

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You know what I find interested? When the apostles talked to non-believers, the only sin I really see them pointing out is unbelief.
 
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Zilla64007 said:
I have yet to see anything good come from that line of theology
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If it were not for Ammillennials sitting idly by and doing absolutely nothing while Hitler and his army of demons committed genocide against the Jews of Europe, Christian Zionism wouldn't be a quarter of what it is today.
 
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hislastwalk said:
I barely hear him talk about redemption.
I always hear politics.
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Next time he finds his way into your area, I suggest you go hear him speak. I am no great fan of his I will reiterate, but that particular charge levied against him really isn't fair should you give him a chance.
 
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Next time he finds his way into your area, I suggest you go hear him speak. I am no great fan of his I will reiterate, but that particular charge levied against him really isn't fair should you give him a chance.
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I have given him a chance -_-
 
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If that was your chief complaint coming away from a full sermon of his, I reserve the right to doubt.
 
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If it were not for Ammillennials sitting idly by and doing absolutely nothing while Hitler and his army of demons committed genocide against the Jews of Europe, Christian Zionism wouldn't be a quarter of what it is today.
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not my fault Christians of that era were quiet in their faith... doesnt change the fact that Satan found the perfect situation to make a way for Christians to venerate and idolize something other than Jesus Christ
 
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When we talk about other servants of God it is better to edify them and not to be critical of them. They are servants of God and belong to Him, for they were called by God and it is God's responsibility to deal with them when needed. When someone has been serving God for many years and has been put through trials and times of testing and they are bearing fruit, we should be thankful for them and how God is using them and let them continue in their call. We are nothing and have no business in criticizing those that have been called by grace and that includes your local pastor. Take a step back and think of the redemption that is in Christ and build them up in that redemption. Be humble and don't allow yourself to be puffed up as a novice less you fall into many snares.
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Very wise advice here. I'd heed it. Pride is a terrible snare for young Christians.
 
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Red33 said:
When we talk about other servants of God it is better to edify them and not to be critical of them. They are servants of God and belong to Him, for they were called by God and it is God's responsibility to deal with them when needed. When someone has been serving God for many years and has been put through trials and times of testing and they are bearing fruit, we should be thankful for them and how God is using them and let them continue in their call. We are nothing and have no business in criticizing those that have been called by grace and that includes your local pastor. Take a step back and think of the redemption that is in Christ and build them up in that redemption. Be humble and don't allow yourself to be puffed up as a novice less you fall into many snares.
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I seriously want to hug you right now. AWESOME POST!
 
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Matthew 7:20
by their fruits ye shall know them.

not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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