Jonah Died and went to Hell
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The parable in Luke 16 teaches us there is one source of faith, as it is written. Written in the law and the prophets.(sola scriptura) The two witnesses of God. The rich man's hope was in necromancy communing with the dead as disembodied workers with familiar spirits.
Or what the Catholic call patron saints. . Making the work of our father in heaven without effect or called a "law of the fathers", oral traditions of sinful men in respect to the Jews.
The dead know nothing .Their corrupted spirit according to the letter of the law returns to the father who gave it unser a law. And their corrupted body returns to the lifeless spiritless dust it was form . The have no new spirit and heart that could rise of the las tday
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
The doctrine of hell is interpreted first in Genesis 4 . "Cursed of the earth" same as "heart of the earth" or "belly of the whale". A suffering no man could bear. The Mark of Cain 666 unconverted mankind. (no sabbath rest)
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4: 11-15
It would seem some over zealous works righteousness group decided to punish those who made a bad choice and make them suffer forever..and ever . God is a God of mercy not everlasting vengeance.
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A common Hebrew word translated "soul" in the Old Testament is nephesh
(neh' fesh.
It shows up first in Gen 1:20-21 as sea creatures and winged creatures.
Again in Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and wild
beasts.
Again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature.
Again in Gen 2:19-20 as the creatures to whom Adam gave names.
Again in Gen 9:8-16 as all conscious life aboard the ark, including Noah and
his family.
I take it from Genesis that nephesh refers to consciousness, individuality,
and self awareness. It never applies to vegetation. For example: though
saguaro cacti are alive, they aren't nephesh because vegetation lacks a
sense of individuality and is neither conscious nor self aware, i.e. nephesh
refers to all critter life great and small; but never to non critter life; viz:
vegetation doesn't have soul life, it has some other kind of life.
Nephesh speaks of Jonah five times in his story; and it's not always
translated soul.
@ 1:14, 2:5, 2:7, 4:3, and 4:8
The book of Jonah is not only a good place to gain a useful understanding of
what is meant by sheol; but also what is meant by soul.
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A common Hebrew word translated "soul" in the Old Testament is nephesh
(neh' fesh.
It shows up first in Gen 1:20-21 as sea creatures and winged creatures.
Again in Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and wild
beasts.
Again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature.
Again in Gen 2:19-20 as the creatures to whom Adam gave names.
Again in Gen 9:8-16 as all conscious life aboard the ark, including Noah and
his family.
I take it from Genesis that nephesh refers to consciousness, individuality,
and self awareness. It never applies to vegetation. For example: though
saguaro cacti are alive, they aren't nephesh because vegetation lacks a
sense of individuality and is neither conscious nor self aware, i.e. nephesh
refers to all critter life great and small; but never to non critter life; viz:
vegetation doesn't have soul life, it has some other kind of life.
Nephesh speaks of Jonah five times in his story; and it's not always
translated soul.
@ 1:14, 2:5, 2:7, 4:3, and 4:8
The book of Jonah is not only a good place to gain a useful understanding of
what is meant by sheol; but also what is meant by soul.
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That's one big fish...tasty sushi...yum yum...
1. Jews are known to fast...3 days is nothing to them.
2. Daniel was thrown into the furnace...didnt die.
3. God prepared the fish...sushi edible..liveable.
4. Jonah prayed...dead man cannot pray
5. Jon 2:7 KJV When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
My soul fainted within me.....seems like soul intact with the body...
1. Jews are known to fast...3 days is nothing to them.
2. Daniel was thrown into the furnace...didnt die.
3. God prepared the fish...sushi edible..liveable.
4. Jonah prayed...dead man cannot pray
5. Jon 2:7 KJV When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
My soul fainted within me.....seems like soul intact with the body...
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Actually I believe Nehemiah @Nehemiah6 has a point on post Nr67. Have a look at it. I suspect that the KJV gets the translation wrong with "Hell" and the NKJV gets it correct with "Sheol"
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I guess David is dead, unless Peter is lying under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.🤔
Acts 2:
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Acts 2:
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
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King David did not die. In the Psalms where we read him speaking of God and the pit, and his sins, etc... He's speaking metaphorically. Of course King David did later actually die, but that isn't what we're referring to in those particular Psalms.
Jonah though did die. His soul fainted within him after he was thrown overboard from the ship by its passengers, and he was descending into the sea depths. Think, near death experience, as he's recalling in the Book of Jonah what he experiences in that moment.
But he did die. He drowned. The belly of the whale is symbolic. And his soul entered Sheol where the other Rephaim doth dwell.
The abode of the dead. Not fire and brimstone Hell.
Then he was given a second chance and returned to life and did as God then commanded.
As the scriptures tell us, no one but the son of man has ascended to the Father. The Book of John chapter 3:13 And no one has ascended up to the heaven but he that came down from the heaven, even the Son of man, who is in the heaven.
There are those that would disagree with all this. This is why I asked for the scripture wherein we're told Jonah alive went to Sheol and then was allowed to depart. That's the conundrum when someone claims Jonah did not die yet did enter that place, the abode of the dead.
Jonah though did die. His soul fainted within him after he was thrown overboard from the ship by its passengers, and he was descending into the sea depths. Think, near death experience, as he's recalling in the Book of Jonah what he experiences in that moment.
But he did die. He drowned. The belly of the whale is symbolic. And his soul entered Sheol where the other Rephaim doth dwell.
The abode of the dead. Not fire and brimstone Hell.
Then he was given a second chance and returned to life and did as God then commanded.
As the scriptures tell us, no one but the son of man has ascended to the Father. The Book of John chapter 3:13 And no one has ascended up to the heaven but he that came down from the heaven, even the Son of man, who is in the heaven.
There are those that would disagree with all this. This is why I asked for the scripture wherein we're told Jonah alive went to Sheol and then was allowed to depart. That's the conundrum when someone claims Jonah did not die yet did enter that place, the abode of the dead.
No.
When Sheol is the realm of the dead where the Rephaim live, where is the scripture that tells us the living Jonah, thrown from the ship into the sea, did enter Sheol alive. Not as a soul, or, as one who is dead. When Sheol is the realm of the dead, the living cannot enter and then leave. If that were so God would tell us precisely that. My question, where does He do this.
David wasn't dead. His song's were metaphorical As in the Psalm chapter 139 when he laments, about entering Sheol and God was there. And realizes there is nowhere he can go that God is not. David is not the same experiencer as was Jonah.
When Sheol is the realm of the dead where the Rephaim live, where is the scripture that tells us the living Jonah, thrown from the ship into the sea, did enter Sheol alive. Not as a soul, or, as one who is dead. When Sheol is the realm of the dead, the living cannot enter and then leave. If that were so God would tell us precisely that. My question, where does He do this.
David wasn't dead. His song's were metaphorical As in the Psalm chapter 139 when he laments, about entering Sheol and God was there. And realizes there is nowhere he can go that God is not. David is not the same experiencer as was Jonah.