Joseph Prince. What is his doctrine? A research thread.

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1still_waters

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Prince has become a very popular sought out speaker. He is messages are about grace. He is charismatic, articulate and immediately attracts the listener. He has just enough right knowledge mixed with wrong theology to be dangerous and hurt people as much as he intends to help them.

He is strongly into the word faith teaching which means by faith one has the guarantee to be healthy and prosperous. This is clearly the vein that runs through many of his teachings. But if one does not know what to look for how will they notice it is there?

Prince has changed the basic premise that the word faith teaching uses, instead of using faith, it is all “by grace,” so it has more of an appeal.

His book Destined to Reign, was released in July 2007, it contains teachings from the last ten years of preaching his gospel of grace. And one should take notice as to whom he credits in it. “I give thanks tor God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today. Growing up, I learned a lot about faith from Brother Hagin who truly had a special revelation of faith from the Lord. I deeply honor and respect him for all that he has taught me.” (Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to effortless success, wholeness and victorious living p.271)

Apart from the kudos, little is known about his theological training. Hagin’s teaching consists of many errors and heresies, and formed by his visions. But the main heresy taught is that Jesus did not pay for our sins on the cross but in hell, known as “Jesus Died Spiritually” teaching.

It’s not difficult to know how much Prince believes of Hagin’s teachings (teachings); his background has certainly influenced his teaching on grace. In his sermon "Walking in the undeserved favor of God" (3/28/04), he said: “Now I've been in the Word of Faith circle and I find that Word of Faith preachers know about favor. Churches of faith know about favor. The thing that I wish many of them would say though would be this - to use that phase - undeserved favor. Favor is good and the teaching of favor has produced tremendous testimonies but I would rather the Word of Faith preachers like myself use undeserved favor because that's the true definition of grace. Now I didn't learn amazing grace from Word of Faith though I'm a Word of Faith preacher. I had to learn that truly struggling on my own.” (Source: Jonathan Koh Thoughts on New Creation Church-and grace, faith, health and wealth).

Joseph Prince and his message of
Just so this can be quickly and easily verified.

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Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and ... - Joseph Prince - Google Books
 

zone

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He's one of the newer big name TV preachers.
I'm not too familiar with his doctrine.
Many others are not familiar with his doctrine.


So let's do some research.

Post content.
Inform each other.
“It all began in1997, when I was on vacation with my wife, Wendy… I distinctly heard the voice of the Lord on the inside. It wasn’t a witness of the Spirit. It was a voice, and I heard God say clearly to me: “Son, you are not preaching grace.”

I said, “What do You mean, Lord? That’s a low blow. That’s a real low blow!” I added, “I’m a preacher of grace. I have been a grace preacher for years, and like most preachers, I preach that we are saved by grace!”

He said, “No. Everytime you preach grace, you preach it with a mixture of law. You attempt to balance grace with the law, like many other preachers, and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. You cannot put grace and law together.” He went on to say, “Son, a lot of preachers are not preaching grace the way Apostle Paul preached grace.” He then ended emphatically with this statement that revolutionized my ministry: “If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.”

That powerful word from the Lord jolted me, and I realized for the first time that I had indeed been preaching a grace message that was tempered with the law. I returned to my church with a strong mandate from the Lord and I began to preach grace radically.” - Joseph Prince, Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. vii-viii.


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“Does the Holy Spirit convict you of sin?

That is a very good question and the answer is really simple. Now pay attention to this because it will liberate you. The bottom line is the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sin.“ – Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign, 2007, pg. 134.



Joseph Prince Said What? | Preacher Said What?
 
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“It all began in1997, when I was on vacation with my wife, Wendy… I distinctly heard the voice of the Lord on the inside. It wasn’t a witness of the Spirit. It was a voice, and I heard God say clearly to me: “Son, you are not preaching grace.”

I said, “What do You mean, Lord? That’s a low blow. That’s a real low blow!” I added, “I’m a preacher of grace. I have been a grace preacher for years, and like most preachers, I preach that we are saved by grace!”

He said, “No. Everytime you preach grace, you preach it with a mixture of law. You attempt to balance grace with the law, like many other preachers, and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. You cannot put grace and law together.” He went on to say, “Son, a lot of preachers are not preaching grace the way Apostle Paul preached grace.” He then ended emphatically with this statement that revolutionized my ministry: “If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.”

That powerful word from the Lord jolted me, and I realized for the first time that I had indeed been preaching a grace message that was tempered with the law. I returned to my church with a strong mandate from the Lord and I began to preach grace radically.” - Joseph Prince, Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. vii-viii.


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“Does the Holy Spirit convict you of sin?

That is a very good question and the answer is really simple. Now pay attention to this because it will liberate you. The bottom line is the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sin.“ – Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign, 2007, pg. 134.



Joseph Prince Said What? | Preacher Said What?
Yay and amen to the first quote. Boo to the second.
 

Apostol2013

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“It all began in1997, when I was on vacation with my wife, Wendy… I distinctly heard the voice of the Lord on the inside. It wasn’t a witness of the Spirit. It was a voice, and I heard God say clearly to me: “Son, you are not preaching grace.”

I said, “What do You mean, Lord? That’s a low blow. That’s a real low blow!” I added, “I’m a preacher of grace. I have been a grace preacher for years, and like most preachers, I preach that we are saved by grace!”

He said, “No. Everytime you preach grace, you preach it with a mixture of law. You attempt to balance grace with the law, like many other preachers, and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. You cannot put grace and law together.” He went on to say, “Son, a lot of preachers are not preaching grace the way Apostle Paul preached grace.” He then ended emphatically with this statement that revolutionized my ministry: “If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.”

That powerful word from the Lord jolted me, and I realized for the first time that I had indeed been preaching a grace message that was tempered with the law. I returned to my church with a strong mandate from the Lord and I began to preach grace radically.” - Joseph Prince, Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. vii-viii.


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“Does the Holy Spirit convict you of sin?

That is a very good question and the answer is really simple. Now pay attention to this because it will liberate you. The bottom line is the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sin.“ – Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign, 2007, pg. 134.



Joseph Prince Said What? | Preacher Said What?
Wow that is cotradictory to the* to scripture the Holy spirit does correct convict and edifies renews the mind the spirit changes the heart
 
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More easy to access, easily verifiable support just uploaded.

Assertion: Joseph Prince says he stands on the shoulders of Kenneth E. Hagin. Kenneth E. Hagin proudly participates in and encourages "holy laughter"


Proof: "I give thanks tor God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today. "--(Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to effortless success, wholeness and victorious living p.271)

[video=youtube;cQLAp_WE_qU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLAp_WE_qU[/video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLAp_WE_qU
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Do we really want to follow the teachings of someone who claims to stand on the shoulders of all of that?


Source: Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and ... - Joseph Prince - Google Books

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zone

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NO.......

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How can you generalize God's words ? If God's words are taught, then people will be start to Know, what God has to say, and then they can being to see if there is a problem or not, and make their own, mind up about what to do.

You are putting words in my mouth by saying I said :

""Are you accusing us of bearing false witness against this man? Are you accusing us of shedding his innocent blood? Are we devising against him for our own gain?""..

One thing I am against is sowing discord among brothers & sisters . You do realize don't you that we do not all attend the same church with the same pastor right ?

By the time you follow your logic to its end, you would have divided more people; then you brought together in truth.
... I won't even respond to the 1st bit, as it has no connection to the conversation.

I did not put words in your mouth. You quoted a verse and said that it applied. All I did was ask you which part of the verse applied.

-The only discord sown on this thread has been from you. The rest all agree that this man is a false teacher. I didn't think he was one at first, but the evidence is clear.
 

Hizikyah

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Joseph Prince is a wolf in sheeps clothing. In his book "destined to regin" he says dont ask your Heavenly Father forgiveness/confess your sins to your heavenly Father because you are already forgiven.

1 Yahchanan 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Also he lied in the first 10 seconds of that video...

Hebrews 12:29 For our Father is a consuming fire.
 

Hizikyah

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“It all began in1997, when I was on vacation with my wife, Wendy… I distinctly heard the voice of the Lord on the inside. It wasn’t a witness of the Spirit. It was a voice, and I heard God say clearly to me: “Son, you are not preaching grace.”

I said, “What do You mean, Lord? That’s a low blow. That’s a real low blow!” I added, “I’m a preacher of grace. I have been a grace preacher for years, and like most preachers, I preach that we are saved by grace!”

He said, “No. Everytime you preach grace, you preach it with a mixture of law. You attempt to balance grace with the law, like many other preachers, and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. You cannot put grace and law together.” He went on to say, “Son, a lot of preachers are not preaching grace the way Apostle Paul preached grace.” He then ended emphatically with this statement that revolutionized my ministry: “If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.”

That powerful word from the Lord jolted me, and I realized for the first time that I had indeed been preaching a grace message that was tempered with the law. I returned to my church with a strong mandate from the Lord and I began to preach grace radically.” - Joseph Prince, Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. vii-viii.


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“Does the Holy Spirit convict you of sin?

That is a very good question and the answer is really simple. Now pay attention to this because it will liberate you. The bottom line is the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sin.“ – Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign, 2007, pg. 134.
Joseph Prince Said What? | Preacher Said What?
Yahdah 1:4, "4 For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
 

zone

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Yahdah 1:4, "4 For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
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this sealed the deal for me with Mr. Prince:



“It all began in1997, when I was on vacation with my wife, Wendy… I distinctly heard the voice of the Lord on the inside. It wasn’t a witness of the Spirit. It was a voice, and I heard God say clearly to me: “Son, you are not preaching grace.”

I said, “What do You mean, Lord? That’s a low blow. That’s a real low blow!” I added, “I’m a preacher of grace. I have been a grace preacher for years, and like most preachers, I preach that we are saved by grace!”

He said, “No. Everytime you preach grace, you preach it with a mixture of law. You attempt to balance grace with the law, like many other preachers, and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it. You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. You cannot put grace and law together.” He went on to say, “Son, a lot of preachers are not preaching grace the way Apostle Paul preached grace.” He then ended emphatically with this statement that revolutionized my ministry: “If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.”

That powerful word from the Lord jolted me, and I realized for the first time that I had indeed been preaching a grace message that was tempered with the law. I returned to my church with a strong mandate from the Lord and I began to preach grace radically.” - Joseph Prince, Destined To Reign, 2007, pg. vii-viii.



:rolleyes:
no, i don't think you had that convo with God. Mr. Prince.
false prophet; claims to speak to and for God = heretik
 
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Prince has become a very popular sought out speaker. He is messages are about grace. He is charismatic, articulate and immediately attracts the listener. He has just enough right knowledge mixed with wrong theology to be dangerous and hurt people as much as he intends to help them.

He is strongly into the word faith teaching which means by faith one has the guarantee to be healthy and prosperous. This is clearly the vein that runs through many of his teachings. But if one does not know what to look for how will they notice it is there?

Prince has changed the basic premise that the word faith teaching uses, instead of using faith, it is all “by grace,” so it has more of an appeal.

His book Destined to Reign, was released in July 2007, it contains teachings from the last ten years of preaching his gospel of grace. And one should take notice as to whom he credits in it. “I give thanks tor God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today. Growing up, I learned a lot about faith from Brother Hagin who truly had a special revelation of faith from the Lord. I deeply honor and respect him for all that he has taught me.” (Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to effortless success, wholeness and victorious living p.271)

Apart from the kudos, little is known about his theological training. Hagin’s teaching consists of many errors and heresies, and formed by his visions. But the main heresy taught is that Jesus did not pay for our sins on the cross but in hell, known as “Jesus Died Spiritually” teaching.

It’s not difficult to know how much Prince believes of Hagin’s teachings (teachings); his background has certainly influenced his teaching on grace. In his sermon "Walking in the undeserved favor of God" (3/28/04), he said: “Now I've been in the Word of Faith circle and I find that Word of Faith preachers know about favor. Churches of faith know about favor. The thing that I wish many of them would say though would be this - to use that phase - undeserved favor. Favor is good and the teaching of favor has produced tremendous testimonies but I would rather the Word of Faith preachers like myself use undeserved favor because that's the true definition of grace. Now I didn't learn amazing grace from Word of Faith though I'm a Word of Faith preacher. I had to learn that truly struggling on my own.” (Source: Jonathan Koh Thoughts on New Creation Church-and grace, faith, health and wealth).

Joseph Prince and his message of

Zone, when it comes to heresy and false doctrine you have plenty of your own, so you have no room to say anything about anybody, but that won't stop you. God did not call you or me to correct every doctrine we think to be erroneous. You need to examine yourself, big time, and I am not talking about personal sin. I'm talking about faith and the doctrine of our faith. You love to justify yourself by labeling others, for some reason it seems to give you the edge up. You are the one that needs to be examined on this site and we need to evaluate you, for you have said more about doctrine then anyone else on this site, 23,500 posts and still going strong. Half the stuff you post is not your conviction, it's just knowledge you ascribe to because it goes against others who believe differently, especially the dispensational crowd. You have certain determinations but they are not convictions of the truth and when others may identify with what you say that is no indication of being taught by the Spirit. You can take it or leave it, I really don't care. But you have a serious problem concerning our faith and it does not edify the way that the body is suppose to be edified. If people knew some of the stuff that you really believe in they would be shocked. We can expect sin from sinners and lying from a liar, but those who say they walk in the truth we expect the truth and not some contrived interpretation.

BTW - Those are words of grace from me to you!
 

zone

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Zone, when it comes to heresy and false doctrine you have plenty of your own, so you have no room to say anything about anybody, but that won't stop you. God did not call you or me to correct every doctrine we think to be erroneous. You need to examine yourself, big time, and I am not talking about personal sin. I'm talking about faith and the doctrine of our faith. You love to justify yourself by labeling others, for some reason it seems to give you the edge up. You are the one that needs to be examined on this site and we need to evaluate you, for you have said more about doctrine then anyone else on this site, 23,500 posts and still going strong. Half the stuff you post is not your conviction, it's just knowledge you ascribe to because it goes against others who believe differently, especially the dispensational crowd. You have certain determinations but they are not convictions of the truth and when others may identify with what you say that is no indication of being taught by the Spirit. You can take it or leave it, I really don't care. But you have a serious problem concerning our faith and it does not edify the way that the body is suppose to be edified. If people knew some of the stuff that you really believe in they would be shocked. We can expect sin from sinners and lying from a liar, but those who say they walk in the truth we expect the truth and not some contrived interpretation.

BTW - Those are words of grace from me to you!
more run-on, puffed up speeches. a waste of your time.

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here it is, nice and simple for you:

Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.

- John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism

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and i have every intention of tearing it down to the ground.
you do what you want.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.

- John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism
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No it isn't Zone.

Dispensationalism is Bible truth. Whether you like it or not.

God dispenses salvation differently in each dispensation.

Now what people need to watch out for is hyper dispensationalism. Hyper-dispensationalism is a teaching that says only the Pauline epistles are for the Christian today and that's it.

Which is what Cornelius Stam and E.W. Bullinger taught. So again watch out for hyper dispensationalism.


But Dispensationalism itself is Bible Doctrine.

And just remember that while all the Bible is written for us, not all the Bible is written to us.
 

zone

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It is mortifying to remember that I not only held and taught these novelties myself, but that I even enjoyed a complacent sense of superiority because thereof, and regarded with feelings of pity and contempt those who had not received the "new light" and were unacquainted with this up-to-date method of "rightly dividing the word of truth." For I fully believed what an advertising circular says in presenting "Twelve Reasons why you should use THE SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE," namely, that: "First, the Scofield Bible outlines the Scriptures from the standpoint of DISPENSATIONAL TRUTH, and there can be no adequate understanding or rightly dividing of the Word of God except from the standpoint of dispensational truth."

What a slur is this upon the spiritual understanding of the ten thousands of men, "mighty in the Scriptures," whom God gave as teachers to His people during all the Christian centuries before "dispensational truth" (or dispensational error), was discovered! And what an affront to the thousands of men of God of our own day, workmen that need not to be ashamed, who have never accepted the newly invented system! Yet I was among those who eagerly embraced it (upon human authority solely, for there is none other) and who earnestly pressed it upon my fellow Christians. I am deeply thankful, however, that the time came (it was just ten years ago) when the inconsistencies and self contradictions of the system itself, and above all, the impossibility of reconciling its main positions with the plain statements of the Word of God, became so glaringly evident that I could not do otherwise than renounce it.

- Philip Mauro (1859-1952)
 

zone

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Dispensationalism is a device of the enemy, designed to rob the children of no small part of that bread which their heavenly Father has provided for their souls; a device wherein the wily serpent appears as an angel of light, feigning to "make the Bible a new book" by simplifying much in it which perplexes the spiritually unlearned. It is sad to see how widely successful the devil has been by means of this subtle innovation.

- A. W. Pink (1886-1952)
 

zone

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"After sixty*-five years of ordained ministry and studying and teaching the Scriptures around the world, I am convinced that C. I. Scofield was taken in by an immense deception that he unwittingly believed and included in his Bible notes to the detriment of all who believe in them. If the Church is to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone, then the presumptions and errors of the Scofield Reference Bible must be exposed. We are not his judge. But concerning the Scriptures, we are compelled to judge, I Thess. 5:21."

- Charles C. Weston
 

zone

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"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner
 

zone

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Dispensationalism is "the willful perversion of the plain words of Jesus Christ, the Judge eternal" and "in defiance of common sense."

- Daniel Steele.