Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

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I am quite sure that the 7 years I spent studying and getting my Master of Divinity is worth a lot more than JM's diploma mill Ph.d from Life Christian Unversity, a school without accreditation, but a favourite place to earn Ph.D's by such Word Faith false teachers as Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, etc.

My seminary is accredited by ATS - the Association of Theological Schools.

As for the rhetoric, you are new to this forum. I have the respect of many members, including people who don't agree with me. Sorry you are so eager to defend Joyce Meyers, instead of reading the posts about her unbiblical heresies. Your cult like devotion to her borders on idolatry. IMHO!


PS. Apparently, she still teaches the "little gods" heresy, according to a link posted here. Really, the whole Word Faith, speak things into existance is totally based on this heresy. Because only GOD can speak things into existance, so therefore, in order for the movement to be right, you would have to be at least a "little god." That is the logical end of this whole movement and heresy. Our faith is in Jesus Christ who is the Word, not my words, yours, or any false prophets, televangelists and heretical teachers.
The Pharisees had some pretty good education as well. The disciples had none and the Holy Spirit flowed through them so they could be witnesses of Christ. You depend on your earthly education and the ones flowing with the Holy Spirit will depend on God.
 
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We need to speak the word. Our words have the power of life and death. Wouldn't you rather speak life? So far you speak death.
You're that powerful that you can speak things into being? Forgive me for doubting you Oh Holey One (that isn't type o, that TRIPE you're spouting is so full of holes!).

Time for a Zirkism

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.
 
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I am quite sure that the 7 years I spent studying and getting my Master of Divinity is worth a lot more than JM's diploma mill Ph.d from Life Christian Unversity, a school without accreditation, but a favourite place to earn Ph.D's by such Word Faith false teachers as Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, etc.

My seminary is accredited by ATS - the Association of Theological Schools.

As for the rhetoric, you are new to this forum. I have the respect of many members, including people who don't agree with me. Sorry you are so eager to defend Joyce Meyers, instead of reading the posts about her unbiblical heresies. Your cult like devotion to her borders on idolatry. IMHO!


PS. Apparently, she still teaches the "little gods" heresy, according to a link posted here. Really, the whole Word Faith, speak things into existance is totally based on this heresy. Because only GOD can speak things into existance, so therefore, in order for the movement to be right, you would have to be at least a "little god." That is the logical end of this whole movement and heresy. Our faith is in Jesus Christ who is the Word, not my words, yours, or any false prophets, televangelists and heretical teachers.
Angela,
Take a breath. Bragging about your academic credentials is as bad as a WOF follower claiming a new car without payments.

I know this issue bothers you, but I also know the non agitated Angela is better than this.

You know me and you know I do not endorse the WOF movement at all. I lived it and was in the belly of the beast for years. I can tell you that most in the WOF movement hate Joyce, because she teaches a lot about suffering through trials, that God will use pain, suffering and sickness to glorify himself. That bad things are allowed to happen to Good Christians, etc.

WOF does not endorse such things. This is why I am imploring you to stop your rant. Joyce is the furthest thing from WOF.

I know she catches a lot of Flack from the likes of the Copelands and Billy Brimm
 
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Mwc, i dont disagree with you, the catholic church, while imperfect, does great charitable works, and definitely does mor than the wolves do.

this isnt the thread for that conversation though. Stay on thread topic please :)

that goes to the people throwing jabs at catholics as well. Save it for a catholic thread.
Just posting where and why I tithe. The other dude had to throw the rape thing in his comment
 
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Catholic Charities and similar Catholic organizations due more charity around the world than any of these Charlatan tv preachers
I will not engage in your level of mud slings, because I know the truth. TV ministers learned the art of taking from the RCC.
 
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Angela,
Take a breath. Bragging about your academic credentials is as bad as a WOF follower claiming a new car without payments.

I know this issue bothers you, but I also know the non agitated Angela is better than this.

You know me and you know I do not endorse the WOF movement at all. I lived it and was in the belly of the beast for years. I can tell you that most in the WOF movement hate Joyce, because she teaches a lot about suffering through trials, that God will use pain, suffering and sickness to glorify himself. That bad things are allowed to happen to Good Christians, etc.

WOF does not endorse such things. This is why I am imploring you to stop your rant. Joyce is the furthest thing from WOF.

I know she catches a lot of Flack from the likes of the Copelands and Billy Brimm
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she teaches a hallmark doctrine of Faith theology, namely, that Christ had to suffer in hell to atone for our sins and be born again:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin….He paid the price there.…no plan was too extreme…Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus….He was resurrected from the dead ¾ the first born-again man.[6][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Her assertions are not unlike those of leading Word of Faith proponent Kenneth Copeland, who also believes Christ’s death on the cross was not sufficient to atone for our sins, and that His work of redemption was completed by suffering in hell and being born again. According to Copeland,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]When Jesus cried, “It is finished!” He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. There were still three days and nights to go through before He went to the throne….Jesus’ death on the cross was only the beginning of the complete work of redemption.7[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][The] word of the living God went down into the pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles….Jesus was born again ¾ the first-born from the dead. 8[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]According to a recently published interview with free-lance writer Ken Walker, however, Meyer contradictorily denies ever believing or teaching that Christ was born again in hell.9[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Moreover, in her 1991 booklet, Meyer asserts that salvation is impossible without believing Jesus suffered in hell as the believer’s substitute. Meyer writes, “There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell.10[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]While historic Christianity has debated the issue of whether or not Jesus actually descended into hell (e.g., to proclaim the gospel, declare victory, etc. [1 Peter 3:18-19]), no orthodox believer ever held to [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]the belief that Christ suffered and atoned for our sins in hell, rather than on the cross. Yet, Word of [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Faith teachers, including Joyce Meyer, teach the necessity of Jesus having to pay for our sins in hell, under the torment of Satan and his angels ¾ a teaching both unsubstantiated by and contrary to Scripture. The entirety of Christ’s atoning work (i.e., His suffering and death in our place) occurred on the cross (e.g., 1 Peter 2:24), ending with His proclamation, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The Christ of Faith theology literally had to become sin, taking on the nature of Satan while in hell, thereby needing to be born again in hell before His resurrection could occur.[/FONT]
[h=3][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]OTHER QUESTIONABLE TEACHINGS[/FONT][/h][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Meyer also advocates peculiar and unbiblical manifestations at church gatherings, and attributes them to the power of God. She proclaims,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]you gotta come on out in the deep….Oh, I think that word’s anointed right now. Deeeep!!! Mmmmmm! One lady was in a conference recently in St. Louis, and she said “I am telling you, every time you said the word “deep” the fire of God hit me in the pit of my guts.” The lady, she kept falling out of her chair and being on the floor, you know? And she said later, “every time you said ‘deeeeep’ it was like I just couldn’t stay in my chair!”11[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]For a refutation of this and other unbiblical phenomena (e.g., being “slain in the Spirit”), we recommend Hank Hanegraaff’s book, Counterfeit Revival (B393/$20.00).

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Although there is no biblical precedent, she makes the assertion that angels tell her what to preach:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Now spirits don’t have bodies, so we can’t see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I’m supposed to say to you.12[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]She goes on to promote the superstitious belief that certain kinds of jewelry attract evil spirits:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]There are many different signs and emblems that people wear as jewelry that are straight from the devil, and they absolutely do not know it, and I’m quite sure there are going to be people here today that probably even have some of these things in your possession. You may even be wearing one. And what they do is they draw evil spirits.13[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]In lieu of the biblical admonition to test everything by the objective Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21; 2 Tim. 3:16), Meyer further asserts that God would never allow her to fall into error. Turning instead to her subjective feelings she says, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]I am going to tell you something right now. I no more believe that my God is going to let me stand around and believe a lie than I believe that I am going to turn green in the next two minutes. God is my source and He loves me and I am after God with my whole heart. And if I am accidentally, or any other way, getting into error, I am going to have a bell go off on the inside of me that is going to be so loud that not only am I going to hear it, but so is everybody else.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Despite what Meyer’s feelings tell her, Scripture says otherwise. The apostle Peter is a constant reminder of our proclivity for committing error, and demonstrated, for example, by Christ’s rebuking of Peter for attempting to deter Him from His mission (Matt. 16:22-23; Mark 8:31-33), and later by being publicly rebuked by the apostle Paul for yielding to the pressure of the Judaizers (Gal. 2:11-21). Were it not possible for Meyer to fall into deception and error, Scripture’s repeated warnings (e.g., Matt. 24:4-5; Acts 20:28-31; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-3; 2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3) would be meaningless.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Also problematic are some of Meyer’s beliefs regarding spiritual warfare. According to her, for instance, generational spirits supposedly torment families for generations with specific sins, and she even believes that a demon of lust torments her family. On one occasion she says,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]I told you that there was a spirit of incest in my family bloodline….And the thing that I want you to understand today is when there’s a spirit like that in a bloodline, until some person believes on Jesus and takes the blood of Jesus and draws it across that natural bloodline, that devastation goes on for generations and generations….Well see, my father’s grandfather had problems and so his father had problems and so my dad had problems and so I had problems and so if I wouldn’t have stood and believed Jesus, my kids would have had problems and their kids would have had problems and so on and so on.15[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Scripture, however, does not support the existence of a demon or spirit of lust, nor any demon of a particular sin. It is true that certain sins (e.g., alcoholism) are perpetuated and can affect families for generations (see Exod. 20:5; Num. 14:18), but these are the consequences of sin ¾ not generational spirits. James’ epistle is clear that we sin because of our own evil desires (v. 1:14). Demons cannot force us to sin; however, they can influence our behavior through temptation (e.g., Gen. 3:1-6). Nonetheless, we are ultimately held accountable for our actions (e.g., Ezek. 18:4, 20). If this were not so, we would have license to exclaim, “the Devil made me do it!” [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Along similar lines, she believes that there are “mind-binding” spirits who keep multitudes of believers in a perpetual state of unbelief.16 Through deliverance, however, the attacks of mind-binding spirits will disappear. In her case, “when the spirits left, the ability to believe came rushing back.”17[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Meyer overemphasizes and distorts the parameters in which God permits Satan and his angels to work, by attributing practically every negative experience to demonic activity. There is even a demon of accidents. For example, she recounts experiencing a close call while pulling into and out of a fast food restaurant parking lot. She shouts, “‘I rebuke the spirit of accidents, in the name of Jesus!’”18[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Her false view of demonic activity propagates a paranoid and superstitious mindset, while obscuring the work of Christ, human accountability, and biblical views of spiritual warfare.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Because of Joyce Meyer’s adherence to a major tenet of Word of Faith theology and her subjective and unbiblical teachings concerning spiritual warfare, CRI cannot recommend her ministry.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]CRI will continue to monitor Mrs. Meyer’s practice and teaching. We will periodically update this statement as necessary.[/FONT]


The Teachings of Joyce Meyer - Christian Research Institute
 
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That's really inspirational. Think I'll do a tribute thread to the dilemma of Creflo Dollar's jet: sow that seed, or name and claim? Enquiring minds want to know...
ROFL1.gif Good ole Creflo. It's also called "Blab it and Grab it".
 
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Just posting where and why I tithe. The other dude had to throw the rape thing in his comment
I understand man

Of course joshua generation has to be his usual self...
 
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She, along with most of the other Word of Faith teachers, promote the same teaching that is in the book "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne. It is known as the law of attraction. According to this teaching, our positive thoughts and words attract good things to our lives (such as relationships, jobs, money, cars, houses), while negative thoughts/words bring bad things to us (such as sickness, injury, divorce, job loss and natural disasters).

I agree with Chica, by the way.
Obviously your clueless about what WOF teaches. Most if not all WOF folks I know never endorse Joyce, because she believes God uses suffering as a tool,and that we will be persecuted for righteousness sake. WOF does not believe that it is God's will that you suffer or are persecuted for anything.

If you actually read most of her books, this would become evident.
 

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Angela,
Take a breath. Bragging about your academic credentials is as bad as a WOF follower claiming a new car without payments.

I know this issue bothers you, but I also know the non agitated Angela is better than this.

You know me and you know I do not endorse the WOF movement at all. I lived it and was in the belly of the beast for years. I can tell you that most in the WOF movement hate Joyce, because she teaches a lot about suffering through trials, that God will use pain, suffering and sickness to glorify himself. That bad things are allowed to happen to Good Christians, etc.

WOF does not endorse such things. This is why I am imploring you to stop your rant. Joyce is the furthest thing from WOF.

I know she catches a lot of Flack from the likes of the Copelands and Billy Brimm
I am glad she teaches that we do glorify God in suffering. But she also teaches a lot of wrong things. There is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

As for me, I apologize. I would delete that post if I could. I guess I will cease and desist from engaging in this futile discussion.
 
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I can understand being somewhat defensive of these tv preachers, especially if their words connected with you somehow.

Dont go off the deep end into cultist territory though by ignoring the facts about unbiblical preachers when they are clearly presented before you.



The fact is, Joyce Meyers is in the same boat as T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, and Kenneth Copeland. They are new age Bible twisters who are getting filthy rich off of unbiblical teachings. Now im sure Joyce and Hinn and Jakes etc have some subjective unbiblical reasoning for their twisting of scripture and their owning of multiple houses, private jets, and other excessive spending, but in they end they are clearly money-idolizing wolves in sheeps clothing.
Don't forget Kenneth Copeland, hey, he's just good ole boy, never meanin no harm.
 
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Hey NotmebutHim,

New Age and Mystics intermingled "Affirmation, i.e. positive confession" theology with Christian teachings, distorting God's words. Kenneth Haggin, E.W. Kenyon implemented this false satanic doctrine into Christianity and now we have people quoting scriptures out of context to "speak things into existence".

It even borders on Chrisitan Science.
Once again the clueless woman that runs her mouth, but has zero knowledge speaks as a fool.

Kenyon never taught positive confession and for the record his entire ministry , including all his orphanages were faith based. He never took a salary and never asked for money, God supplied every need.

It was Hagin who bastardized most of Kenyon's writing.

Confession of the word is actually taught in the Bible, but the woF movement took it to an extreme, which they will give an account for.

Sometimes it is better to shut up and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 
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Why do you guys talk about Joyce, T.D Jakes and all the others having money is wrong? I don't believe Willie T said "filthy rich." You guys think that these preachers are REQUIRED to be dirt poor. That would be like me requiring you all to be dirt poor, and live in a cardboard box, and eat food from a soup kitchen. Joyce is allowed to make money from her books, and of course speaking engagements. Get off her and others backs about money.

Let's be glad God chose her and others to travel the world and preach the word of God.
 
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God does the work, man is privileged to be a part of his plan. Man does not have power over the Holy Spirit. He cant go "i command the spirit to heal this man." That is putting yourself above God and is absolutely unbiblical.
When did I say I put myself above God? You are putting words in peoples mouths. Maybe you should stop spreading false statements about someone.
 
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I was gonna click like but there is no "like" thingy.

If God is Sovereign then how can we say he needs OUR permission to move? Word of faith implies that God cannot move unless we speak some magical words that will pull strings...

Romans 9: 15-16 "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion"

It does not depend on MAN's Effort, But GOD'S mercy and grace! He is not our personal Genie.

Romans 4:16 "Therefore it is of faith that it might be by grace..."

Nice of oyu to leave off nearly all of ROmans 4.16, but lets look at it in context with Vs 17 as it should be read:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For this reason it is [SUP][o][/SUP]by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the [SUP][p][/SUP]descendants, not only to [SUP][q][/SUP]those who are of the Law, but also to [SUP][r][/SUP]those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, [SUP]17 [/SUP](as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and [SUP][s][/SUP]calls into being that which does not exist.
 
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That's really inspirational. Think I'll do a tribute thread to the dilemma of Creflo Dollar's jet: sow that seed, or name and claim? Enquiring minds want to know...
Creflo will give an account as will all of us. The Jet thing is just stupid
 
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I understand man

Of course joshua generation has to be his usual self...
cool man! I did see Joyce once in Houston at Olsteen's church and she is a dynamic speaker, but more of a motivational speaker like Olsteen and not a preacher. I think sometimes they have good things to say. Having said that, I'm not sending them money
 
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cool man! I did see Joyce once in Houston at Olsteen's church and she is a dynamic speaker, but more of a motivational speaker like Olsteen and not a preacher. I think sometimes they have good things to say. Having said that, I'm not sending them money
Ive only watched a couple sermons of hers and other wof preachers and i agree, it does seem like tony robbins with bible language and a splash of new age.
 
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Here's a link to Joyce's story on her website. Read it and you'll be blown away.

Life Beyond Abuse

maybe you'll who don't like her will have a tiny bit of respect for her.
 
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In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she teaches a hallmark doctrine of Faith theology, namely, that Christ had to suffer in hell to atone for our sins and be born again:
During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin….He paid the price there.…no plan was too extreme…Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus….He was resurrected from the dead ¾ the first born-again man.[6]
Her assertions are not unlike those of leading Word of Faith proponent Kenneth Copeland, who also believes Christ’s death on the cross was not sufficient to atone for our sins, and that His work of redemption was completed by suffering in hell and being born again. According to Copeland,
When Jesus cried, “It is finished!” He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. There were still three days and nights to go through before He went to the throne….Jesus’ death on the cross was only the beginning of the complete work of redemption.7
[The] word of the living God went down into the pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles….Jesus was born again ¾ the first-born from the dead. 8
According to a recently published interview with free-lance writer Ken Walker, however, Meyer contradictorily denies ever believing or teaching that Christ was born again in hell.9
Moreover, in her 1991 booklet, Meyer asserts that salvation is impossible without believing Jesus suffered in hell as the believer’s substitute. Meyer writes, “There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell.10
While historic Christianity has debated the issue of whether or not Jesus actually descended into hell (e.g., to proclaim the gospel, declare victory, etc. [1 Peter 3:18-19]), no orthodox believer ever held to
the belief that Christ suffered and atoned for our sins in hell, rather than on the cross. Yet, Word of
Faith teachers, including Joyce Meyer, teach the necessity of Jesus having to pay for our sins in hell, under the torment of Satan and his angels ¾ a teaching both unsubstantiated by and contrary to Scripture. The entirety of Christ’s atoning work (i.e., His suffering and death in our place) occurred on the cross (e.g., 1 Peter 2:24), ending with His proclamation, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The Christ of Faith theology literally had to become sin, taking on the nature of Satan while in hell, thereby needing to be born again in hell before His resurrection could occur.
OTHER QUESTIONABLE TEACHINGS

Meyer also advocates peculiar and unbiblical manifestations at church gatherings, and attributes them to the power of God. She proclaims,
you gotta come on out in the deep….Oh, I think that word’s anointed right now. Deeeep!!! Mmmmmm! One lady was in a conference recently in St. Louis, and she said “I am telling you, every time you said the word “deep” the fire of God hit me in the pit of my guts.” The lady, she kept falling out of her chair and being on the floor, you know? And she said later, “every time you said ‘deeeeep’ it was like I just couldn’t stay in my chair!”11
For a refutation of this and other unbiblical phenomena (e.g., being “slain in the Spirit”), we recommend Hank Hanegraaff’s book, Counterfeit Revival (B393/$20.00).


Although there is no biblical precedent, she makes the assertion that angels tell her what to preach:
Now spirits don’t have bodies, so we can’t see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I’m supposed to say to you.12
She goes on to promote the superstitious belief that certain kinds of jewelry attract evil spirits:
There are many different signs and emblems that people wear as jewelry that are straight from the devil, and they absolutely do not know it, and I’m quite sure there are going to be people here today that probably even have some of these things in your possession. You may even be wearing one. And what they do is they draw evil spirits.13
In lieu of the biblical admonition to test everything by the objective Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21; 2 Tim. 3:16), Meyer further asserts that God would never allow her to fall into error. Turning instead to her subjective feelings she says,
I am going to tell you something right now. I no more believe that my God is going to let me stand around and believe a lie than I believe that I am going to turn green in the next two minutes. God is my source and He loves me and I am after God with my whole heart. And if I am accidentally, or any other way, getting into error, I am going to have a bell go off on the inside of me that is going to be so loud that not only am I going to hear it, but so is everybody else.14
Despite what Meyer’s feelings tell her, Scripture says otherwise. The apostle Peter is a constant reminder of our proclivity for committing error, and demonstrated, for example, by Christ’s rebuking of Peter for attempting to deter Him from His mission (Matt. 16:22-23; Mark 8:31-33), and later by being publicly rebuked by the apostle Paul for yielding to the pressure of the Judaizers (Gal. 2:11-21). Were it not possible for Meyer to fall into deception and error, Scripture’s repeated warnings (e.g., Matt. 24:4-5; Acts 20:28-31; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-3; 2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3) would be meaningless.
Also problematic are some of Meyer’s beliefs regarding spiritual warfare. According to her, for instance, generational spirits supposedly torment families for generations with specific sins, and she even believes that a demon of lust torments her family. On one occasion she says,
I told you that there was a spirit of incest in my family bloodline….And the thing that I want you to understand today is when there’s a spirit like that in a bloodline, until some person believes on Jesus and takes the blood of Jesus and draws it across that natural bloodline, that devastation goes on for generations and generations….Well see, my father’s grandfather had problems and so his father had problems and so my dad had problems and so I had problems and so if I wouldn’t have stood and believed Jesus, my kids would have had problems and their kids would have had problems and so on and so on.15
Scripture, however, does not support the existence of a demon or spirit of lust, nor any demon of a particular sin. It is true that certain sins (e.g., alcoholism) are perpetuated and can affect families for generations (see Exod. 20:5; Num. 14:18), but these are the consequences of sin ¾ not generational spirits. James’ epistle is clear that we sin because of our own evil desires (v. 1:14). Demons cannot force us to sin; however, they can influence our behavior through temptation (e.g., Gen. 3:1-6). Nonetheless, we are ultimately held accountable for our actions (e.g., Ezek. 18:4, 20). If this were not so, we would have license to exclaim, “the Devil made me do it!”
Along similar lines, she believes that there are “mind-binding” spirits who keep multitudes of believers in a perpetual state of unbelief.16 Through deliverance, however, the attacks of mind-binding spirits will disappear. In her case, “when the spirits left, the ability to believe came rushing back.”17
Meyer overemphasizes and distorts the parameters in which God permits Satan and his angels to work, by attributing practically every negative experience to demonic activity. There is even a demon of accidents. For example, she recounts experiencing a close call while pulling into and out of a fast food restaurant parking lot. She shouts, “‘I rebuke the spirit of accidents, in the name of Jesus!’”18
Her false view of demonic activity propagates a paranoid and superstitious mindset, while obscuring the work of Christ, human accountability, and biblical views of spiritual warfare.
Because of Joyce Meyer’s adherence to a major tenet of Word of Faith theology and her subjective and unbiblical teachings concerning spiritual warfare, CRI cannot recommend her ministry.
CRI will continue to monitor Mrs. Meyer’s practice and teaching. We will periodically update this statement as necessary.


The Teachings of Joyce Meyer - Christian Research Institute
Where you even alive in 1991?