Judgment is coming #2 (polluted bread)

[4runner]

Malachi 1:6-8
6 A son honors his father and a servant his master; if then I be a Father where is my honor? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of host, O you priest, that despise my name .And say how have we despised thy name?
7 You offer polluted bread upon my alter; and say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.
8 And you offer the blind for your sacrifice, Is this not evil? and if you offer the lame and the sick, is that not evil? Offer it now to the govenor; will he be pleased with you? or accept thy person? saith the Lord of host.


This is us ''The American church''of today, we do not honor God nor do we fear him. We honor ourselves and fear nothing, we have been taught by seeker sensitive churches and the OSAS doctrine and the hyper grace teachers that all we must do is make a profession of faith and we are eternally secure.
We live Mon-Sat like the world and think we can come to church on Sunday and worship God this is polluted bread and dishonors God.
We party all weekend and show up Sunday morning giving God praise this is blind, lame, and sick sacrifices and shows a lack of fear and knowledge of the righteous judgment of God.
We dishonor God in our action, teaching, beliefs, and doctrine.


Malachi 1:9-10
9 And now you pray and beseech God that he will be gracious unto us; this is been by your means will he regard your persons? saith the Lord.
10 Who in there even among you would shut the door for naught? neither do you kindle fire on my altar for naught. I have no pleasure on you, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.


You think that God will be gracious to you for showing up on Sunday and claiming his name, HE WILL NOT.
He takes no pleasure in you.
Your profession of faith is mute.
He will not here your lies.


What we must do is is turn to God out of a pure and honest heart of repentance.
Then he will hear you and forgive your sins.

Refrain from sin, die to self, and exalt God into his proper place.
Then he will justify you.


Honor and Fear God now for judgment is coming.

 

[R3V07UTI0N]

Steps to salvation not only do we have to believe in Jesus Christ as our saviour but follow his commandments

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."-(John 3:5)

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."-(Acts 2:38)

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."-(Mark 16:16)

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, ) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"-(1 Peter 3:21)

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"-(Mark 12:29)

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4:5)

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." (Isaiah 42:8)

There is only one God and that God is the Father "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?..."-(Malachi 2:10) If Jesus is God it logically fallows that Jesus is the Father. Want more prove "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only ONE Father. More prove Jesus Himself taught that He was the Father. "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19). "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24). More prove we should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25). However "They understood not that he spake to them of the Father."-(John 8:27). In other words, Jesus tried to tell them that He is the Father and the I AM and that if they did not accept Him as God they would die in their sins.

It does not go against 1 John 5:7 I do believe that the Father, the Word which is the Son (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit is simply God, God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16) He alone is holy in Himself. God is also a spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore "Holy Spirit" is another term for the ONE God. therefore It does not go against 1 John 5:7 that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit bear record in heaven and that these three are titles of the one (Jesus Christ)

 

[Hearer]

God sent me a dream that I was feeding two beautful horses a mixture of oats and manure. Both baskets were polluted. I discoved that Ezekiel had to give a sign of eating polluted barley cakes. I read the whole of Ezekiel to understand the judgement:

Here is part of it:

The complaints God has towards his people in Ezekiel is that they are proud and pompous and violent, They also do disgusting things that only the heathen do (partyiing and sex). They have alo had a pride in trheir relationship with God and trusted for themselves in the beauty only the Lord can give (being presumptuos on God's grace and generosity; national and religious pride). Using physical beauty and clothing to attract others.


The sign Ezekiel was given was polluted bread
12And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
13And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
14Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth. 15Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

Ezekiel 4:12
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

 

[Hearer]

Jeremiah 5:8
They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife.

God sent me a dream that I was feeding two beautful horses a mixture of oats and manure. Both baskets were polluted.

I discoved that Ezekiel had to give a sign of eating polluted barley cakes. I read the whole of Ezekiel to understand the judgement:

Here is part of it:

The complaints God has towards his people in Ezekiel is that they are proud and pompous and violent, They also do disgusting things that only the heathen do (partyiing and sex). They have alo had a pride in trheir relationship with God and trusted for themselves in the beauty only the Lord can give (being presumptuos on God's grace and generosity; national and religious pride). Using physical beauty and clothing to attract others.


The sign Ezekiel was given was polluted bread

Ezekiel 4:12
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

 

[AnandaHya]

God sent me a dream that I was feeding two beautful horses a mixture of oats and manure. Both baskets were polluted.

Everyone should also see that their teachings are not polluted with teachings of this world and not built upon the truth of God and His Holy words, or you will be feeding the world polluted oats. this can only be done with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and time spent in unceasing prayer and the daily presence of God without influences of this world.

 

[4runner]

Steps to salvation not only do we have to believe in Jesus Christ as our saviour but follow his commandments

Very true........

 

[Warrior44]

4runner, it seems like you are advocating for both faith and works as necessary for salvation? --> James 2. i like this idea.

 

[4runner]

4runner, it seems like you are advocating for both faith and works as necessary for salvation? --> James 2. i like this idea.

True faith will indeed produce good works.

For those that think they can continue in sin after salvation. Jesus said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit.

 

[Warrior44]

True faith will indeed produce good works.

For those that think they can continue in sin after salvation. Jesus said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit.

Yes. They will know we are Christians by our love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes. They will know we are Christians by our love.

Yes they will. But to say a christian can not sin after salvation. and if they do they have lost their salvation is just simply not true.

James did not contradict paul. It is dangerous for a Christian to think he could be sinless, and be perfect. and not need to worry. A christian who thinks this will not see the tin that he is committing. All sin causes damage. If we overlook what we consider to be small sins because we do not commit the grave sins (or lie to ourselves thinking we do not commit them) we will never grow. But become like the pharisees. Holier than thou religious zealots who did not think they had any sin, who will turn people off from God.

 

[4runner]

Yes they will. But to say a christian can not sin after salvation. and if they do they have lost their salvation is just simply not true.

More straw men, no one has ever said a believer CANNOT sin. What is said and true is they we CAN---not sin

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More straw men, no one has ever said a believer CANNOT sin. What is said and true is they we CAN---not sin

this is not the point I am arguing. I already told you in another thread I see you are not saying this now. and begged your forgiveness. (many have been teaching this in the past few weeks, i thought you were another one, when I realised you were not. i admitted my mistake)

I am arguing the legalistic doctrine which teaches that if we do not live up to a standard God will remove his free gift and condemn us to hell (after we have already been saved)

 

[4runner]

this is not the point I am arguing. I already told you in another thread I see you are not saying this now. and begged your forgiveness. (many have been teaching this in the past few weeks, i thought you were another one, when I realised you were not. i admitted my mistake)

Didnt see that, thank you, and I apologize as well

I am arguing the legalistic doctrine which teaches that if we do not live up to a standard God will remove his free gift and condemn us to hell (after we have already been saved)

One con turn from their faith, but not through any act of disobedience (although if we truly love the Lord we will obey Him), but because a conscience decision to turn from their faith, and back into sin.


Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
There is no question here that those that were once ''grafted in (saved) can afterwards be cut off (backslide). In context Paul is writing to believing Gentiles about unbelieving Jews.
Romans 11:16-24
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree:
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, the branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standeth by faith. Be not high minded but fear.
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
23 And they also if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature, and were grafted in contrary to nature into the good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branched be grated into their own olive tree?
Here we see the unbelieving Jews were cut out and the believing Gentiles were grafted into the good olive tree. There is no guarantee of Eternal Security, as a matter of fact it's just the opposite. If we do not continue in God's goodness we will be cut off.
Verse 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
The Jews were cut off because of unbelief but the scripture says that we as Gentiles will be cut off because we do not continue in God's goodness. If we are cut off it is because of sin not unbelief; the unbelieving Gentile would have never been grafted in in the first place.



''IF'' we continue in the faith. Colossians 1:21-23
Colossians 1:21-23
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now have been reconciled.
22 In the body of His flesh through His death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight.
23 IF you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am a minister;
Like in Romans 11:22 we see the big IF, If we continue in the faith, being grounded and settled, not being moved away from the hope of the gospel. We will be presented holy, unblameable, unreproveable before God. If we are moved away not continuing in the faith then we will not be presented holy before God.
This clearly shows we can be moved away from God after we have been reconciled. Verse 21 said we were enemies of God by wicked works and if we are moved away from the hope of our salvation, return to engaging in wicked works after we have been ''saved'' we will return to being enemies of God.

 

[4runner]

In a typical chruch today Jesus would find people who have a sentimental feeling about Him personally, but have virtually no understanding of the powerful message He preached. They speak about "the Lord Jesus Christ." But, frankly, He is not thier "Lord", for they do not obey Him or even grasp how they should obey Him! And Jesus Himself said "Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord' and do not the things which I say?"


Why do we call Him Lord if we refuse to do as He says???????????????

 

[Warrior44]

Some good verses. Also to consider: John 15:6: "anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned."
and philippians 2:12: "therefore my friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
It depends on how you would define 'salvation'. It is a gift, yes, but gifts must be accepted. that is the whole purpose of our existence, to be with God. He gives us free will, but we must choose to follow Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Didnt see that, thank you, and I apologize as well

apology accepted

One con turn from their faith, but not through any act of disobedience (although if we truly love the Lord we will obey Him), but because a conscience decision to turn from their faith, and back into sin.


Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
There is no question here that those that were once ''grafted in (saved) can afterwards be cut off (backslide). In context Paul is writing to believing Gentiles about unbelieving Jews.
Romans 11:16-24
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree:
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, the branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standeth by faith. Be not high minded but fear.
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
23 And they also if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature, and were grafted in contrary to nature into the good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branched be grated into their own olive tree?
Here we see the unbelieving Jews were cut out and the believing Gentiles were grafted into the good olive tree. There is no guarantee of Eternal Security, as a matter of fact it's just the opposite. If we do not continue in God's goodness we will be cut off.
Verse 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
The Jews were cut off because of unbelief but the scripture says that we as Gentiles will be cut off because we do not continue in God's goodness. If we are cut off it is because of sin not unbelief; the unbelieving Gentile would have never been grafted in in the first place.



''IF'' we continue in the faith. Colossians 1:21-23
Colossians 1:21-23
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now have been reconciled.
22 In the body of His flesh through His death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight.
23 IF you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am a minister;
Like in Romans 11:22 we see the big IF, If we continue in the faith, being grounded and settled, not being moved away from the hope of the gospel. We will be presented holy, unblameable, unreproveable before God. If we are moved away not continuing in the faith then we will not be presented holy before God.
This clearly shows we can be moved away from God after we have been reconciled. Verse 21 said we were enemies of God by wicked works and if we are moved away from the hope of our salvation, return to engaging in wicked works after we have been ''saved'' we will return to being enemies of God.

4runner. I have heard you are a new Christian so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

The passages you posted are great passages. But how do we interpret them? I see two ways to interpret them.

1. A person who was truly saved has turned and lost the gift God gave them (thus OSAS is false)
2. A person who appears to be saved, has turned from their supposed faith, and will suffer their righteous reward (eternal damnation) yet they never had it in the first place.

1st note. Romans 11 is talking about national Israel. not an individual person who has lost salvation.

2nd. Even if it was talking about an individual. Scripture can not contradict right? So lets look at other scripture and use it to properly interpret these passages so as nto not make scripture contradict itself.

1. The prodigal son.. The prodigal son left his faith, left his father. Went out on his own and decided he would take care of his own life and do whatever he wanted. As I asked earlier, did the prodigal son ever stop being the son?

2. A loving father, again I asked this also. What is the guideline, or at what point does the father say enough is enough/. You are no longer my child. I kick you out of my family? At what point Does God say this?

3. A dog returns to his own vomit.

You make a dog appear to be something it is not. teach them tricks. do all kinds of things. but a dog is still a dog. and will return to eat his own vomit.

Same with an unbeliever. You can train an unsaved person to look act and appear as a Christian. Even get them to go to Church. Change some areas of their lives. Pray alot of things. But an unbeliever is still an unbeliever, and he will always return to his own vomit (sinfull life) eventually departing altogether. as John says, proving they were not a part of the church.

so out of these two. Who is the one who lost faith and returned to the world? The prodigal son? Or the dog? Who was never saved to begin with? Are you going to judge 4runner? I can't. If I see one, I am gonna talk to them in love, It is easy to see if they are prodigal. or have turned and become an antichrist. You do not treat both the same.

 

[4runner]

4runner. I have heard you are a new Christian so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

I dont know where you heard this, but it is probably more slander. I am an ordained minister that not only has a fellowship out of my home every Thursday, but teaches a new convert class on Monday's, and attends other fellowships on Sunday, Wed, and Friday evening. I have also read through the N.T. over 300 times. You have gotten so bad information

 

[AnandaHya]

so 4runner how often do you pray?

just wondering didn't see it in your list of recommendations and achievements.

 

[Consumed]

I dont know where you heard this, but it is probably more slander. I am an ordained minister that not only has a fellowship out of my home every Thursday, but teaches a new convert class on Monday's, and attends other fellowships on Sunday, Wed, and Friday evening. I have also read through the N.T. over 300 times. You have gotten so bad information

Nice, if you think I'm impressed I'm appalled even more brother.

 

[AnandaHya]

sorry so as not to offend I will clarify.

I've been reading EM Bounds the Power of prayer and thinking how important it is for all God's children to pray. then I read pickles thread about prayer and I was wondering how much and how long and how sincere do pastors now a days devoted to just prayer and listening to God and being in His love.

not study, or sermon prep, or anything except heartfelt prayer for themselves, their congregation and the world.

I plan on asking the other pastors I know the same question. So anyway you can chose to answer are not. just curious.