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Here is the correlation between what BF and I posted:
Rom 8:33 - Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. This fact alone in and of itself is enough to declare all of God's Elect Justified by Him. Whenever the scripture mentions Justification, its restricted to His Elect Isa 45:25
This expresses #1, that there is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) [elects] to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever. Of course, this assumes #2, that human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18) [election].
RM 8:25 - In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel[God's Elect] be justified, and shall glory. Now, since when did God have the will to Justify His Elect ? It was conceived in the Mind of God from Everlasting not to impute or charge sin to those of His Elect. For that must be the case if it was anything of an Everlasting Covenant struck with His Son, on their behalf, and so we have that which is called in scripture " the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant " Heb 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, This Covenant will be revealed to all who have a Covenant Interest in it, like David had it revealed to him 2 Sam 23:5 - Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow. Which at least by the Divine Purpose, and according to this Covenant, Christ is the Lamb that had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20, and if so slain, He was slain in the Divine Purpose for the sins of His Elect imputed to Him. In the Divine Purpose Christ had already been made sin[by imputation] for the elect 2 Cor 5:21 that He may in the fulness of time actually be slain for in our time. So if God purposed to impute their sins to Christ, then when did He not impute them to Him ? See Ps 33:11 And when did He impute their sins to them ? By this purpose conceived in the Mind of God, not to impute sin to His Elect from everlasting would at the least account for them to be by Him Justified from all their sins [by non imputation] from Everlasting. Paul preached of some being Justified from all things Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Justified here means to be cleared, absolved ,freed from every charge against them before God's Law and Justice, which could not have been done by the code of moses and the Levitical Priesthood. So you see here in Acts 13:39 to be justified more so of being set free from sin and it's guilt and penalty, from which the mosaic administration and ts priesthood could not do, however it was done by that once and for all oblation of Christ, and made it count for all whom He died, Justified from all things, as it pertaineth to the things of God and the People Heb 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Again, this reconciliation or justification from all things, was restricted to the sins of the People of the Elect ! And God never charged them with their sins, but charged them to Christ, before the world began ! Now do not misunderstand, they were charged with sin, but those charges never were laid or imputed to them, but to Christ. The charges were real and Christ bore a real punishment for them.
All of this expresses #3 &4a, that Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the everlasting way (means of providing salvation/justification) that God has chosen/elected (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11). Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31).
Now you just need to cite Scripture that expresses #4b & 5, that accepting Jesus as Lord means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2), so then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
Isn't the gift of harmonization wonderful?!
Rom 8:33 - Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. This fact alone in and of itself is enough to declare all of God's Elect Justified by Him. Whenever the scripture mentions Justification, its restricted to His Elect Isa 45:25
This expresses #1, that there is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) [elects] to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever. Of course, this assumes #2, that human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18) [election].
RM 8:25 - In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel[God's Elect] be justified, and shall glory. Now, since when did God have the will to Justify His Elect ? It was conceived in the Mind of God from Everlasting not to impute or charge sin to those of His Elect. For that must be the case if it was anything of an Everlasting Covenant struck with His Son, on their behalf, and so we have that which is called in scripture " the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant " Heb 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, This Covenant will be revealed to all who have a Covenant Interest in it, like David had it revealed to him 2 Sam 23:5 - Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow. Which at least by the Divine Purpose, and according to this Covenant, Christ is the Lamb that had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20, and if so slain, He was slain in the Divine Purpose for the sins of His Elect imputed to Him. In the Divine Purpose Christ had already been made sin[by imputation] for the elect 2 Cor 5:21 that He may in the fulness of time actually be slain for in our time. So if God purposed to impute their sins to Christ, then when did He not impute them to Him ? See Ps 33:11 And when did He impute their sins to them ? By this purpose conceived in the Mind of God, not to impute sin to His Elect from everlasting would at the least account for them to be by Him Justified from all their sins [by non imputation] from Everlasting. Paul preached of some being Justified from all things Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Justified here means to be cleared, absolved ,freed from every charge against them before God's Law and Justice, which could not have been done by the code of moses and the Levitical Priesthood. So you see here in Acts 13:39 to be justified more so of being set free from sin and it's guilt and penalty, from which the mosaic administration and ts priesthood could not do, however it was done by that once and for all oblation of Christ, and made it count for all whom He died, Justified from all things, as it pertaineth to the things of God and the People Heb 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Again, this reconciliation or justification from all things, was restricted to the sins of the People of the Elect ! And God never charged them with their sins, but charged them to Christ, before the world began ! Now do not misunderstand, they were charged with sin, but those charges never were laid or imputed to them, but to Christ. The charges were real and Christ bore a real punishment for them.
All of this expresses #3 &4a, that Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the everlasting way (means of providing salvation/justification) that God has chosen/elected (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11). Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31).
Now you just need to cite Scripture that expresses #4b & 5, that accepting Jesus as Lord means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2), so then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
Isn't the gift of harmonization wonderful?!
Justification is in Christ alone !
Justification by Faith in Time is only possible and a reality because of Justification in Christ before time. This Justification is given them [Those Justified by Faith in Time] in Christ their Surety Head before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us[Believers] in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Paul refers to it as Justification by Grace here Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
When were they made Heirs specifically ? By their being Chosen in Christ, The Heir of the World before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Heb 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 has nothing to do with being Justified by Faith, that they should be made Heirs according to the Hope of Eternal Life, for it is an Eternal Act of God's Grace towards them in Christ, whereby Grace was given them in Him according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11 before the World Began. Now this Justification was not as of yet in their Own Persons and Consciences, but Christ being their Surety before the World Began.
Now when they sinned in the time state, by an act of Eternal Grace, God did transfer the guilt and condemnation incurred by them, from them and did impute or charge it to their Surety, who did receive them, and they received a discharge from them, which is Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 and Rom 3:24. This is True because the Justification by Grace before the World Began, was based on the Surety's Covenant Engagement to be slain, to shed His Blood in Time 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
So according to this Purpose, its the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Since the Suretyship was setup from Everlasting Prov 8:23
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
So both Rom 3:24 and Titus 3:7 refer to Eternal Justification in Christ in God's Perception and Sight before the foundation of the World, and this is a Gospel of God's Grace Truth Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. 5
Justification by Faith in Time is only possible and a reality because of Justification in Christ before time. This Justification is given them [Those Justified by Faith in Time] in Christ their Surety Head before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us[Believers] in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Paul refers to it as Justification by Grace here Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
When were they made Heirs specifically ? By their being Chosen in Christ, The Heir of the World before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Heb 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 has nothing to do with being Justified by Faith, that they should be made Heirs according to the Hope of Eternal Life, for it is an Eternal Act of God's Grace towards them in Christ, whereby Grace was given them in Him according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11 before the World Began. Now this Justification was not as of yet in their Own Persons and Consciences, but Christ being their Surety before the World Began.
Now when they sinned in the time state, by an act of Eternal Grace, God did transfer the guilt and condemnation incurred by them, from them and did impute or charge it to their Surety, who did receive them, and they received a discharge from them, which is Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 and Rom 3:24. This is True because the Justification by Grace before the World Began, was based on the Surety's Covenant Engagement to be slain, to shed His Blood in Time 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
So according to this Purpose, its the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Since the Suretyship was setup from Everlasting Prov 8:23
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
So both Rom 3:24 and Titus 3:7 refer to Eternal Justification in Christ in God's Perception and Sight before the foundation of the World, and this is a Gospel of God's Grace Truth Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. 5
You explained nothing. I understand that God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image, which means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have), and to provide a way for them to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity, which is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who choose to cooperate with the POS by accepting Christ as Lord. Those sinners who reject God's grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins and are destroyed forever.
Did you explain all of this and I missed it?
Did you explain all of this and I missed it?
If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ?
If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? Its impossible to be Justified by Faith in time Rom 5:1, if we don't believe in Eternal Justification prior to ones believing. For Justification by Faith does receive Knowledge of having been Justified from eternity by the blood of the slain Lamb appointed and slain from the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
He was slain already for the sin of the Elect from God's Eternal Perspective. You see because God is Eternal, everything to Him is in the present because He is Outside of Time, Yet controls it. The Eternal God needed not the progression of time up to 33 ad to have reckoned Christ slain for the sins of the Many, before Him all whom He died for were eternally Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Sorry but we cannot bound God by the Laws of Time as we His creatures are. Eternal Justification is the Justifying of the Persons of the Elect before Him, not them, For the sentence begins with God, because it is written " It is God that Justifeth " Not faith Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Now who can tell me when God ever lay anything to the charge of God's Elect ?
If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? Its impossible to be Justified by Faith in time Rom 5:1, if we don't believe in Eternal Justification prior to ones believing. For Justification by Faith does receive Knowledge of having been Justified from eternity by the blood of the slain Lamb appointed and slain from the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
He was slain already for the sin of the Elect from God's Eternal Perspective. You see because God is Eternal, everything to Him is in the present because He is Outside of Time, Yet controls it. The Eternal God needed not the progression of time up to 33 ad to have reckoned Christ slain for the sins of the Many, before Him all whom He died for were eternally Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Sorry but we cannot bound God by the Laws of Time as we His creatures are. Eternal Justification is the Justifying of the Persons of the Elect before Him, not them, For the sentence begins with God, because it is written " It is God that Justifeth " Not faith Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Now who can tell me when God ever lay anything to the charge of God's Elect ?
Well, you can either give up trying to explain your understanding of "justification from eternity" to me, or you can try again, preferably by beginning with how my understanding aligns with or departs from yours. Here are the points of mine for easy reference:
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.
If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? 2
Then we have not been Justified by Faith, and our faith is in vain ! Now Justified by Faith in Time means that we by Faith receive the knowledge of what is already known by God; That is why Faith is stated here as Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For Faith cannot be the substance and evidence of a thing that does not previously exist ! That which it is a evidence of must substantially exist before God ! Ones act of faith in time cannot actualize something to exist and have substance before the Eternal God, that's nonsensical and insulting to the Eternal I AM ! Now what is it that is revealed to God given Faith ? Why its the very Righteousness of God via the Gospel Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Notice that it is revealed which means :
I.to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up
II.to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown
It makes known to those Justified by Christ's Work and own Righteousness to them that have it charged to them from Everlasting. Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Its Everlasting because it has no beginning or ending before the Law and Justice of God, Its an Eternal Righteousness all whom had been Chosen in Christ had to their credit before the world began !
Some deem it the "or "the righteousness of ages" , of ages past; Or it can be, bring in Everlasting Justification. Now this is what is revealed in the Gospel ! So how can one deny Eternal Justification before God based on the Merits of Christ's Righteousness and have the Faith of God's Elect ? Its impossible ! 5
Then we have not been Justified by Faith, and our faith is in vain ! Now Justified by Faith in Time means that we by Faith receive the knowledge of what is already known by God; That is why Faith is stated here as Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For Faith cannot be the substance and evidence of a thing that does not previously exist ! That which it is a evidence of must substantially exist before God ! Ones act of faith in time cannot actualize something to exist and have substance before the Eternal God, that's nonsensical and insulting to the Eternal I AM ! Now what is it that is revealed to God given Faith ? Why its the very Righteousness of God via the Gospel Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Notice that it is revealed which means :
I.to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up
II.to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown
It makes known to those Justified by Christ's Work and own Righteousness to them that have it charged to them from Everlasting. Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Its Everlasting because it has no beginning or ending before the Law and Justice of God, Its an Eternal Righteousness all whom had been Chosen in Christ had to their credit before the world began !
Some deem it the "or "the righteousness of ages" , of ages past; Or it can be, bring in Everlasting Justification. Now this is what is revealed in the Gospel ! So how can one deny Eternal Justification before God based on the Merits of Christ's Righteousness and have the Faith of God's Elect ? Its impossible ! 5
All those who are Justified by His Blood as Per Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by or in his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
All as such have been Justified before God from Eternity, because Christ being slain and redeeming them by His Blood as per Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This was in the Mind of God from Everlasting, as if had already been done Rom 4:17
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[as yet in time] as though they were [already accomplished]
For instance, He called Abraham the Father of Many Nations [Gen 17:5], when he was not yet a father at all !
Therefore it stands to sanctified reason, all for whom He died, were already Justified by His Blood as Early as the Eternal Mind could conceive of it ! 6
Much more then, being now justified by or in his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
All as such have been Justified before God from Eternity, because Christ being slain and redeeming them by His Blood as per Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This was in the Mind of God from Everlasting, as if had already been done Rom 4:17
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[as yet in time] as though they were [already accomplished]
For instance, He called Abraham the Father of Many Nations [Gen 17:5], when he was not yet a father at all !
Therefore it stands to sanctified reason, all for whom He died, were already Justified by His Blood as Early as the Eternal Mind could conceive of it ! 6
Well, God knows I am trying my best to become agreeable by understanding how my understanding aligns or misaligns with yours regarding the five points I listed:
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.
It takes two to tango, but sometimes only one to tangle--and God knows it ain't me being obstinate, because I keep asking you to explain how we disagree regarding the five points:
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.
1. God's POS from the beginning was to create humanity in His image,
2. Being in God's image means with the ability to have a relationship with Him (which animals and robots do not have),
3. God's eternal POS was to provide a way for sinful humanity to be justified and have fellowship with Him in heaven for eternity,
4. The Way God's JFE justifies sinners is via the vicarious atonement of Messiah for sinners who accept Christ as Lord.
5. From eternity sinners who reject God's POS/grace/Christ are justly condemned in hell until they reap the result of their sins.