Justified by work vs faith
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I meant...even though we still commit sin as a born again,we are still destined for Heaven...
My point was,we are saved and God keeps us saved,even though we still sin....I have no idea how many times a day I sin..
I take it before God and just ask Him for His help.....and say I’m sorry,for any sin that I have committed,without even realising my sin.....he is a just God.
1. How you say I twist the verse, I only quote, not change anything
That verse say envying, murder .......etc not inherit the kingdom of God
2. For the sin that we don't know or not on the list, I rather not comment because I don't know the answer, I am not god, how I know
That verse give a list of sins that make you not inherit the kingdom of God, I am not change or twist it, every body free to check if I change the Word or twist it.
But it is up to you you believe that verse or not
I am only object when you say I twist that verse
If I quote what ever it is why you say I twist it.
What is your definition of twist ?
That verse say envying, murder .......etc not inherit the kingdom of God
2. For the sin that we don't know or not on the list, I rather not comment because I don't know the answer, I am not god, how I know
That verse give a list of sins that make you not inherit the kingdom of God, I am not change or twist it, every body free to check if I change the Word or twist it.
But it is up to you you believe that verse or not
I am only object when you say I twist that verse
If I quote what ever it is why you say I twist it.
What is your definition of twist ?
So for the sin like murder or sin that every body know, you believe you must repent, am I correct,
But for sin that you don't know than how to repent when you don't know it is sin.
I don't know the answer, but my opinions (I don't have verse to back up this opinions that state)
My opinion base my interpretation that Holy Spirit will teach us,
Holy Spirit will speak to our heart and say if we do sin that hard to detect.
Again it only my opinion base my interpretation
About envy etc it is state I don't need to interprate
But for sin that you don't know than how to repent when you don't know it is sin.
I don't know the answer, but my opinions (I don't have verse to back up this opinions that state)
My opinion base my interpretation that Holy Spirit will teach us,
Holy Spirit will speak to our heart and say if we do sin that hard to detect.
Again it only my opinion base my interpretation
About envy etc it is state I don't need to interprate
thanks but can you show me where this is written "By faith Noah do a Lot of work to save himself and whosoever believe. " yeah no where you added that. Every believer is righteous (righteousness) simply because they believe in Jesus. Its not OUR work that saves us. HE did the WORK! Man keeps trying to put himself up there with God. We die daily so He can live through us. Every good thing we do.. its always HIM never us. Like the song playing "I'm not ashamed by Jeremy Camp" "this is my one desire to burn with holy fire". That wanting that desire to do good things good works, to burn with holy fire.. duh its Him and its never to keep or stay saved. Its the fruit. That fruit? We are the branch and He is the vine. We can not have fruit unless it comes from? HELLO JESUS.
So the thief on the cross.. what the thief was lucky? Didn't have to do ANY good thing. Our righteousness is a rages to Him. Said this before live a sinless life and do nothing but good works. Your still lost and will not enter the kingdom. L
thanks but can you show me where this is written "By faith Noah do a Lot of work to save himself and whosoever believe. " yeah no where you added that. Every believer is righteous (righteousness) simply because they believe in Jesus. Its not OUR work that saves us. HE did the WORK! Man keeps trying to put himself up there with God. We die daily so He can live through us. Every good thing we do.. its always HIM never us. Like the song playing "I'm not ashamed by Jeremy Camp" "this is my one desire to burn with holy fire". That wanting that desire to do good things good works, to burn with holy fire.. duh its Him and its never to keep or stay saved. Its the fruit. That fruit? We are the branch and He is the vine. We can not have fruit unless it comes from? HELLO JESUS.
So the thief on the cross.. what the thief was lucky? Didn't have to do ANY good thing. Our righteousness is a rages to Him. Said this before live a sinless life and do nothing but good works. Your still lost and will not enter the kingdom. L
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
Yes Jesus fruit producer not us but if we abide we bear the fruit, not bear fruit cut and burn to hell
What fruit is the thief show
Luke 23
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
1 cor 13
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth
This criminal start bear fruit.
He doesn't like evil, when his friend mock Jesus, he protest.
We deserve punishment
Fairnesss start come from his heart
He preach to his friend to fear God.
Don't you fear God
This preaching is the fruit out of him, and this preaching was spread to billions people who read this gospel.
So ya, this criminal preach to more people than my pastor.
He show his faith
Let me quote James 2:18 b
Show me your faith without deed, and I will show you my faith with my deed.
And what Jame say is inline with what this criminal did, he show his faith by preaching to other criminal and million bible reader hear his preaching
What fruit is the thief show
Luke 23
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
1 cor 13
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth
This criminal start bear fruit.
He doesn't like evil, when his friend mock Jesus, he protest.
We deserve punishment
Fairnesss start come from his heart
He preach to his friend to fear God.
Don't you fear God
This preaching is the fruit out of him, and this preaching was spread to billions people who read this gospel.
So ya, this criminal preach to more people than my pastor.
He show his faith
Let me quote James 2:18 b
Show me your faith without deed, and I will show you my faith with my deed.
And what Jame say is inline with what this criminal did, he show his faith by preaching to other criminal and million bible reader hear his preaching
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Faith without works is dead.
We are not saved by our works and deeds because they will never be good enough.
By Christs righteousness we are saved.
But to say you love Jesus and know Him and do unchristlike works is a lie.
True faith and Love for Jesus results in a changed heart.
Judgement is coming to us all, the questions will be asked. Are we born again, are we transformed by Jesus, are we serving our master?.
Our works do not save us but they reflect the heart we have.
Matt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
We are not saved by our works and deeds because they will never be good enough.
By Christs righteousness we are saved.
But to say you love Jesus and know Him and do unchristlike works is a lie.
True faith and Love for Jesus results in a changed heart.
Judgement is coming to us all, the questions will be asked. Are we born again, are we transformed by Jesus, are we serving our master?.
Our works do not save us but they reflect the heart we have.
Matt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
thanks but can you show me where this is written "By faith Noah do a Lot of work to save himself and whosoever believe. " yeah no where you added that. Every believer is righteous (righteousness) simply because they believe in Jesus. Its not OUR work that saves us. HE did the WORK! Man keeps trying to put himself up there with God.We die daily so He can live through us. Every good thing we do.. its always HIM never us. Like the song playing "I'm not ashamed by Jeremy Camp" "this is my one desire to burn with holy fire". That wanting that desire to do good things good works, to burn with holy fire.. duh its Him and its never to keep or stay saved. Its the fruit. That fruit? We are the branch and He is the vine. We can not have fruit unless it comes from? HELLO JESUS.
So the thief on the cross.. what the thief was lucky? Didn't have to do ANY good thing. Our righteousness is a rages to Him. Said this before live a sinless life and do nothing but good works. Your still lost and will not enter the kingdom. L
