Keep it simple, stupid (KISS)

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charisenexcelcis

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After a while you learn this truth--that shortcuts are not always shortcuts. While I believe that slavation is simple, that all who truly call upon the name of our Lord will be saved, I think that trying to reduce the deeper things to the simplist expression can become that shortcut. If we try that methodology, we may only gain understanding of one facet of a great truth. The word of God is a deep as one would plumb, as long as you dive in faith.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
After a while you learn this truth--that shortcuts are not always shortcuts. While I believe that slavation is simple, that all who truly call upon the name of our Lord will be saved, I think that trying to reduce the deeper things to the simplist expression can become that shortcut. If we try that methodology, we may only gain understanding of one facet of a great truth. The word of God is a deep as one would plumb, as long as you dive in faith.
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Some people, in an effort to get around obeying the Lord’s commandments, will come up with lengthy rationalizations meant to prove it is unnecessary to obey this commandment or that commandment. Right?
 
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Repentance to me is reaching that point of 0% Prejudism in your own mind;and trying to have compassion on those that have not reached that point.

It has been brought to the time, of WHOM SO EVER WILL, through the 40 year Spriitual Blindness. Because of that blindness.the #1 rule is; Call

NOBODY a fool!

Love & Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
 
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Glowing said:
Repentance to me is reaching that point of 0% Prejudism in your own mind;and trying to have compassion on those that have not reached that point.

It has been brought to the time, of WHOM SO EVER WILL, through the 40 year Spriitual Blindness. Because of that blindness.the #1 rule is; Call

NOBODY a fool!

Love & Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
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Repentance to me is turning from sin and experiencing the indescribable peace that follows.
 
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Dmurray

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I don't believe it matters what we think repentance is. But what it actually is.
"Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent*, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
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*G3340
μετανοέω
metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.

G3326
μετά
meta
met-ah'
A primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly denoting accompaniment; “amid” (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive case association, or accusative case succession) with which it is joined; occupying an intermediate position between G575 or G1537 and G1519 or G4314; less intimate than G1722, and less close than G4862): - after (-ward),X that he again, against, among, X and, + follow, hence, hereafter, in, of, (up-) on, + our, X and setting, since, (un-) to, + together, when, with (+ -out). Often used in composition, in substantially the same relations of participation or proximity, and transfer or sequence.

G3539
νοιέω
noieō
noy-eh'-o
From G3563; to exercise the mind (observe), that is, (figuratively) to comprehend, heed: - consider, perceive, think, understand.

G3563
νοῦς
nous
nooce
Probably from the base of G1097; the intellect, that is, mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication meaning: - mind, understanding. Compare G5590.

So I think from reading these few Greek references we can come to the conclusion that to Repent means to think differently about something (notably the sin in our lives, and our own self will); which will consequently lead to us turning away from it.
 
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Dmurray said:
I don't believe it matters what we think repentance is. But what it actually is.


*G3340
μετανοέω
metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.

G3326
μετά
meta
met-ah'
A primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly denoting accompaniment; “amid” (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive case association, or accusative case succession) with which it is joined; occupying an intermediate position between G575 or G1537 and G1519 or G4314; less intimate than G1722, and less close than G4862): - after (-ward),X that he again, against, among, X and, + follow, hence, hereafter, in, of, (up-) on, + our, X and setting, since, (un-) to, + together, when, with (+ -out). Often used in composition, in substantially the same relations of participation or proximity, and transfer or sequence.

G3539
νοιέω
noieō
noy-eh'-o
From G3563; to exercise the mind (observe), that is, (figuratively) to comprehend, heed: - consider, perceive, think, understand.

G3563
νοῦς
nous
nooce
Probably from the base of G1097; the intellect, that is, mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication meaning: - mind, understanding. Compare G5590.[/color]

So I think from reading these few Greek references we can come to the conclusion that to Repent means to think differently about something (notably the sin in our lives, and our own self will); which will consequently lead to us turning away from it.
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When Jesus said, “Repent,” he meant, “Stop sinning.”
 
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Dmurray

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resurrection33 said:
When Jesus said, “Repent,” he meant, “Stop sinning.”
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Do you read my whole response? lol Because I said that in there :p But it is more than just that. If we look at the Gospel of Christ (the Death, The Burial, The Resurrection) and Look At what Acts 2:38 says. We align them together, because the Bible works together, no contradictions.

Gospel: Death(Repent), Burial(Baptism), Resurrection(Holy Ghost)
 
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Dmurray said:
Do you read my whole response? lol Because I said that in there :p But it is more than just that. If we look at the Gospel of Christ (the Death, The Burial, The Resurrection) and Look At what Acts 2:38 says. We align them together, because the Bible works together, no contradictions.

Gospel: Death(Repent), Burial(Baptism), Resurrection(Holy Ghost)
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Jesus said, “Repent.” We can either repent or we can talk about it.

The only thing I see to talk about is finding out exactly what we have to repent of. Common sins are lust, pride, and chemical dependency, I believe.
 
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Dmurray

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resurrection33 said:
Jesus said, “Repent.” We can either repent or we can talk about it.

The only thing I see to talk about is finding out exactly what we have to repent of. Common sins are lust, pride, and chemical dependency, I believe.
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Sin's vary from person to person. Besides the ones Jesus clearly said are a Sin. And the ones that are written in the Bible.

IE: I have been convicted to stop playing violent video games and watching violent things. Because to me God has made me feel that it is a sin to do so. To others it may not be a Sin.

You may think one thing is a sin, and someone else may not. It's personal conviction. God knows best and is why we should ask him to convict us and to mold us and change us into what He wants us to be.
 
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Dmurray said:
Sin's vary from person to person. Besides the ones Jesus clearly said are a Sin. And the ones that are written in the Bible.

IE: I have been convicted to stop playing violent video games and watching violent things. Because to me God has made me feel that it is a sin to do so. To others it may not be a Sin.

You may think one thing is a sin, and someone else may not. It's personal conviction. God knows best and is why we should ask him to convict us and to mold us and change us into what He wants us to be.
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If something is a sin for you, it is a sin for everyone. Premarital and extramarital lust, pride, and chemical dependency are sins. There are others. It is best to ask the Lord for guidance in this matter.
 
loveschild

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Yep its simple instructions.....but if I try hard enough and think about it long enough I can try to turn the simple words into something really really hard and twisted. I can even turn bad into good and good into bad. If I try even harder I can say no don't read the simple instructions no go read a magazine instead. Or I can say every word in the bible isn't even true. Or better yet I can stick my head in the sand and kick my feet.

Only one way to the Father. Follow the rules. Go and bare much fruit. Jesus loves you!!

You don't have to put on a suit and tie to read the bible I promise!
 
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resurrection33 said:
If something is a sin for you, it is a sin for everyone. Premarital and extramarital lust, pride, and chemical dependency are sins. There are others. It is best to ask the Lord for guidance in this matter.
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You really keep mis reading what I post. I said, that there are Sins that are very obvious and apparent. Jesus said them. They are throughout the Bible.

Do you believe it is a sin to watch something violent? I know many who don't believe so. Why? Because God hasn't convicted them of it yet. God's judgement is best and knows what is best for each of us.
 
loveschild

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Umm if they say they are Christians and are following Christ I think he may have convicted them but they didn't want to listen. And you are also very right. I don't think we know some things are wrong until we will think they are wrong. Have fun!
 
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Dmurray

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To sum up what I'm saying:

There are things that God has convicted you of but He has yet to convict me of them.
With that said, if you were to tell me something is a Sin without Hard Scriptual evidence, why would I believe what you say is and isn't sin when what matters what God says is sin and isn't.

Therefore I would pray for God to convict me of Sin in my life so I may Repent of it. (Which I do, not daily as I should, but I'm growing)

We will never be able to rid of all the sin in our lives. It is in our nature to sin. Our Carnality wants to sin. There is no one other in the Bible besides Jesus who lived a sin free life. Even Peter who was given the key's to Heaven.(Matthew 16:19) or Enoch who had favor with God and was taken up before his death.(Genesis 5:24) Or Abraham who was called a friend of God.(James 2:23)

If someone was to say that they were living a sin free life, they would be lying; and lying is a sin.

With all that said and done, If I was to ask God to convict me of all the sin in my life, and he did so, I believe it would put so much stress on us that it would cause us to turn away from God. Our sin killed Jesus for example. So God's judgment is perfect, and he knows what is best for us. He knows when and what to convict us of.
 
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Since part of what I do is deal with demons so God can help set people free. I used to watch the ghost chaser shows. Sometimes I wondered if I was wrong to watch these shows. I would say now the Lord was convicting me but I wasn't getting it. I liked watching those shows and used the to learn.

My daughter came and told me the Lord told her she couldn't watch those shows any more. To watch them was her yoking herself with them. So in other words a medium on TV. The word says no mediums right. So in other words its the same as if she was doing witch craft like the people on TV.

So the Lord was convicting me but I wasn't listening. Now I don't watch them. I had already not watch lots of things TV.

I would say if you are defending yourself on what you are watching the Lord has convicted you but you aren't listening like me. Plus if the Lord told us we are yoking ourselves with evil I would say that goes for anything anyone watches. We have to be careful what we fill our hearts with right.

I'm not condemning you. I just don't want you to be as slow to learn as me.
 
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Dmurray

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We don't have cable. The only thing we use our television for is to watch Christian movies and Bible stories.
 
loveschild

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Good for you! I mainly watch the cooking shows. Even the commercails are terrible and getting worse.
 
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Dmurray said:
You really keep mis reading what I post. I said, that there are Sins that are very obvious and apparent. Jesus said them. They are throughout the Bible.

Do you believe it is a sin to watch something violent? I know many who don't believe so. Why? Because God hasn't convicted them of it yet. God's judgement is best and knows what is best for each of us.
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I don’t seem to have any desire to watch something violent. Life can be violent, and sometimes TV and movies will therefore have violence. I have no problem with that.
It’s probably true that some TV shows and movies are purposely violent to attract viewers. This I would oppose.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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charisenexcelcis said:
After a while you learn this truth--that shortcuts are not always shortcuts. While I believe that slavation is simple, that all who truly call upon the name of our Lord will be saved, I think that trying to reduce the deeper things to the simplist expression can become that shortcut. If we try that methodology, we may only gain understanding of one facet of a great truth. The word of God is a deep as one would plumb, as long as you dive in faith.
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I think that this may be the worse typo in history.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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resurrection33 said:
Some people, in an effort to get around obeying the Lord’s commandments, will come up with lengthy rationalizations meant to prove it is unnecessary to obey this commandment or that commandment. Right?
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Yes and others choose easy ways of looking at things rather than put forth the effort to come to a full understanding.
 
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