Keeping the law = Salvation (Right???)
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Here is your problem.
You people love to name certain sins, yet there are people on this earth who have NEVER commited those sins, yet still will die in hell.
The pharisee problem, is they rejected to acknowledge these seemingly small sins, so they thought they were ok.
People who claim they are ok with God because they do not do those sins, yet willingly do the others (because they deny they are doing them, or do not admit they are bad sins, so they are ok) are no different than people who do those sins.
Jason is in rebellion, because he denies he does those sins, thus he has placed himself above grace, and placed himself in the same boat as all who profess to be saved by works.
ps.. We must stop ALL sin. not just hose sins. stopping those sins will not make you a better person, if you continually do the other sins.
so how good at you at stopping all those other sins?
You people love to name certain sins, yet there are people on this earth who have NEVER commited those sins, yet still will die in hell.
The pharisee problem, is they rejected to acknowledge these seemingly small sins, so they thought they were ok.
People who claim they are ok with God because they do not do those sins, yet willingly do the others (because they deny they are doing them, or do not admit they are bad sins, so they are ok) are no different than people who do those sins.
Jason is in rebellion, because he denies he does those sins, thus he has placed himself above grace, and placed himself in the same boat as all who profess to be saved by works.
ps.. We must stop ALL sin. not just hose sins. stopping those sins will not make you a better person, if you continually do the other sins.
so how good at you at stopping all those other sins?
Well, 1 John 5:16-18 says there are sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death. Surely the sins that Paul lists that will cause a person to not inherit the Kingdom of God are sins that lead unto death. John also lists these types of sins and says they will lead unto the SECOND DEATH, which is the Lake of Fire. There are types of sins that can never be forgiven. So no. Not all sin is the same.
God calls His Own to walk in the Spirit, not the flesh.. and He will help you do that by the Paraclete,
do Genuine Christians make mistakes? yes, they sin... if we sin we have an Advocate , Christ Jesus,
and SIN IS NOT IMPUTED where there is NO LAW, Where and How does the Genuine Convert abide?
In Christ, NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW, and He abides In Christ by Faith
Christ has done it all! does this give the free license for the New convert to run out and live in the flesh and sin all the time? no. the Spirit of God if Genuine WILL NOT LET HIM/HER continue to do that... for the Spirit lusteth against the flesh and vice versa..... Paul expounds on this in Romans 7 so simply, and easily.......... listen to the Words of David, the chosen King of Israel, Jesus' line...
Even as David also describeth the Blessedness of the man/woman, unto whom God Imputeth Righteousness Without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man/woman to whom the Lord will not Impute sin.
Un belief is Sin... and whatever is not of FAITH IS SIN.. lots of un belief out there.. whooooaa nellie, unbelief in what you may ask? UN BELIEF in the TRuth that Christ's appeasement at the Tree, Trust and Faith in that is SUFFICIENT for Righteousness and Justification, so many and I mean many on here, its Christ + more.... that wont fly in the face of a Holy Just Righteous God.. nope.. not when it cost His Son His physical Life on that bloody Tree! indeed!
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John 5 speaks of physical death, not spiritual death (again back to your lack of willinglness to see truth)
If I go get drunk, and crash my car and die, I have sinned a sin which lead to death. If I do the same thing, and do not die, I have sinned a sin, which did not lead to death.
yet both were the same sin, and both will have repercussions. (if your a child of God)
as for sins which can be forgiven, Jesus said ALL Sin will be forgiven men, but blasphemy of the spirit.
You calling Jesus a liar?
and do you even study the OT at all? Men like David, Abraham, Moses and others who commited grave sins. I guess they are not in heaven?
If I go get drunk, and crash my car and die, I have sinned a sin which lead to death. If I do the same thing, and do not die, I have sinned a sin, which did not lead to death.
yet both were the same sin, and both will have repercussions. (if your a child of God)
as for sins which can be forgiven, Jesus said ALL Sin will be forgiven men, but blasphemy of the spirit.
You calling Jesus a liar?
and do you even study the OT at all? Men like David, Abraham, Moses and others who commited grave sins. I guess they are not in heaven?
the sin of Un belief Jason, in the completed Work of Christ as sufficient! Once again to Know Him, many claim to know Him but their fruit of their beliefs, christ + more are very evident.. that is UN BELIEF, because its about you and how you are 'ABLE'.. when in Truth , its all about God and how He is Able! stark difference there.. one knowing the LOGOS, the Written Word, and the Other knowing the LIVING LOGOS.. Christ, God manifest in the flesh. the Spirit of Truth Reproves, those who walk in Un belief, because Ye believe NOT ON HIM, and His Complete Work at the tree.. but claim to know Him, yet add your 'works of righteousness' to your claim. thus justifying yourself in the Eyes of God, that wont fly in Heaven. no. un belief, so subtle yet DEADLY in the end...
The difference is whether one is in REBELLION or not. That is the DISTINCTION. The sins of rebellion are people once again spitting on Christ. Do you not get the type and shadows of the OT? Why are the same sins that under the Mosaic law the PENALTY was death and not a sacrifice are the VERY SAME SINS that are SPECIFICALLY LISTED as the same sins in which one CAN NOT ENTER into the kingdom of heaven? The sacrifices that were required of the people were for certain specific sins and the sacrifice that high priest did on the day of atonement COVERED all the other sins of Israel once a year,but all the sins that the death penalty was required were NEVER COVERED under the Mosaic law BY A SACRIFICE.
It is a HUGE DISTINCTION between sins of rebellion and other sins of falling short or stumbling due to human frailties and short comings. Those we continue to do and we need to keep over coming those.
It is a HUGE DISTINCTION between sins of rebellion and other sins of falling short or stumbling due to human frailties and short comings. Those we continue to do and we need to keep over coming those.
Yes, the Bible mentions a sin of unbelief. However, the rest of what you said does not jive with the Bible, though. For where are you getting your source for the majority of what you had written here? Are you getting that from a passage in the Bible or did you just pull that off the top of your head (with no actual basis on any actual verse or verses)?
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