Kenosis doctrine is heresy

[PetriFB]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.


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[garee]

From the link.....In Christianity, there exists a so-called kenotic doctrine (kenosis). The doctrine argues that Jesus gave up some of His divine characteristics when He was on earth in the flesh. According to the doctrine, Jesus gave up His omnipotence and omniscience and His ability to be present everywhere at the same time.
I see that a little differently.

I would offer, He did not give up something that He never was. God is not a man as us, and neither is there an outward appearance of a man as a daysman (an infallible umpire set between God and man.

For he is “not” a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:33

Christ the invisible mediator not seen who dwells in the believer, existed temporally in the form of man. When he left he made it clear that we know him no longer in that way forever more, even though a few did before he disappeared out of sight.

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ "after the flesh", yet now henceforth “know we him” no more.

God who is not a man as us.He has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life. He is not a created being. As the Son of man he resisted all forms of worship as to that which was seen .

He in the flesh could not bilocate (be in more than one place at a time) as the Catholic doctrine today attributes to their patron saints.

It is why He said he must go so that he could come as the promised anointing Holy Spirit, without form.

Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God, in His Spirit never gave up His omnipotence and omniscience and His ability to be present everywhere at the same time. The flesh profited for nothing.

His Spirit demonstrated the invisible work of pouring out His Spirit on flesh as if it was blood in order to give us eternal spirit life with the promise of a new incorruptible body .Again not by the flesh that could never profit as a spiritual work.

 

[PetriFB]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.


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Some people who uphold the kenosis doctrine say that when Jesus said the Son can do nothing of himself, so it is the proof that the kenosis doctrine is Biblical and correct. When we study the Bible, we see that the aforesaid thing is not true.


John 5:
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The Lord Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Jews persecuted Jesus, because He had healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Lord Jesus did not say that He healed this man being himself as the man or that He was not God when He healed this man. The Lord Jesus said, My Father works till now, and I work.


The Lord Jesus meant that like the Father is doing His works, so also the Son (Jesus) is doing His (the Son) works like the Father works. In other words, the Lord Jesus meant that He is God, who is doing the works of God. The Jews understood this matter exactly in that way that Jesus made Himself as God and broke the Sabbath. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath.


The words of Jesus that He can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, for what things soever He does, these also does the Son likewise means that Jesus is doing the will of His Father, but not that Jesus Himself is unable to make miracles. The Lord Jesus said the He make the things that the Father is doing. The Lord Jesus did everything by Himself, but not against the will of His Father. When the Bible speaks about the will of God, so it means that Jesus as God has the same will as His Father has.


When you understand this so you understand that Jesus' words the Son can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, means that Jesus doesn't do anything against the will of His Father, and all what Jesus did, He did it as God and He has the same will as His Father has. When the Bible says that Jesus emptied (kenoo) Himself and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, so it means that Jesus voluntarily went away from the glory of God's kingdom and came to be God in the fashion of a man on the earth to atone sins of the mankind. When Jesus emptied Himself, He didn't give up from His Deity, but that God became as the flesh, in other words as a man. The Kenosis doctrine is a heresy, because Jesus is in all situations God who visited on the earth in a fashion of a man.

 

[valiant]

Some people who uphold the kenosis doctrine say that when Jesus said the Son can do nothing of himself, so it is the proof that the kenosis doctrine is Biblical and correct. When we study the Bible, we see that the aforesaid thing is not true.


John 5:
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The Lord Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Jews persecuted Jesus, because He had healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Lord Jesus did not say that He healed this man being himself as the man or that He was not God when He healed this man. The Lord Jesus said, My Father works till now, and I work.


The Lord Jesus meant that like the Father is doing His works, so also the Son (Jesus) is doing His (the Son) works like the Father works. In other words, the Lord Jesus meant that He is God, who is doing the works of God. The Jews understood this matter exactly in that way that Jesus made Himself as God and broke the Sabbath. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath.


The words of Jesus that He can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, for what things soever He does, these also does the Son likewise means that Jesus is doing the will of His Father, but not that Jesus Himself is unable to make miracles. The Lord Jesus said the He make the things that the Father is doing. The Lord Jesus did everything by Himself, but not against the will of His Father. When the Bible speaks about the will of God, so it means that Jesus as God has the same will as His Father has.


When you understand this so you understand that Jesus' words the Son can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, means that Jesus doesn't do anything against the will of His Father, and all what Jesus did, He did it as God and He has the same will as His Father has. When the Bible says that Jesus emptied (kenoo) Himself and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, so it means that Jesus voluntarily went away from the glory of God's kingdom and came to be God in the fashion of a man on the earth to atone sins of the mankind. When Jesus emptied Himself, He didn't give up from His Deity, but that God became as the flesh, in other words as a man. The Kenosis doctrine is a heresy, because Jesus is in all situations God who visited on the earth in a fashion of a man.

It is you who do not understand kenosis. God CHOSE to become man and operate under the Father without His Godhood

 

[2edgswd]

This is the first I heard of this by name--I thought most Christians believed that Jesus retained His humanity after His resurrection, that is part of the price He paid. He is still fully divine, but He retains the scars of the cross throughout eternity as a reminder of what He endured for us. As such, He did loose His ability to be omnipresent and that is why He had to send the Holy Spirit, it could be everywhere.
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

 

[Zmouth]

Some people who uphold the kenosis doctrine say that when Jesus said the Son can do nothing of himself, so it is the proof that the kenosis doctrine is Biblical and correct. When we study the Bible, we see that the aforesaid thing is not true.

John 5:
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.



The Lord Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath day.

When I heard the Son can do nothing of himself, I perceived it was reference to:

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26

in which Jesus was teaching was relative to the LORD's ability to do anything new since all things are derived from the eternal
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Eccl 1:9-10

which is the embodiment of the LORD being being his only begotten Son from the beginning from whom all things

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:16-17

 

[Ariel82]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.


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God made man in His own image...we were already created to be like Him. However Satan tempted mankind with false promises of power that only God is meant to have.

Satan wanted to BECOME God and many still seek to be or create their own gods now.

 

[Gr8grace]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.


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Do you even know what the doctrine of kenosis is? One question........................So we killed God? God died?

 

[jaybird88]

im lost, i thought kenosis had to do with union with the All High, or another way to say it, "one with the Father" which Jesus had. and this is heresy?

 

[believeume]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.


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If it can masquerade as any of those things in largely a invisible universe (That you can't see) What do you go by when deducing what's what and who's who.