" Leaven "

nathan3 · Jan 18, 2013

[SIZE=+1] "LEAVEN."
This Is Appendix 38 From The Companion Bible.

Its first occurrences in Exodus 12:15 significantly marks it as something to be "put away." There is no dispute as to the meaning of the word, which is sour or fermenting dough. The difference lies in its interpretation. This can be gathered only from its usage by the Holy Spirit.

It is used of its work in permeating the whole of that with which it is mixed (Matthew 13:33. Luke 13:21. 1Corinthians 5:6. Galatians 5:9. Hosea 7:4).
It is used of the bread which is made from the meal so permeated (Exodus 12:15,19,20,34,39; 13:7).
It is used in connection with sacrifices, as never to be offered to God with any offering made by fire (Levitcus 2:11; 6:17; 10:12).
It is used by Metaphor (see Appendix 6) for doctrine (Matthew 16:12. Mark 8:15. Luke 12:1. Galatians 5:9).
It is used of the effects of evildoers (1Corinthians 5:6-8; 15:33).
In Levitcus 23:17 it is used in that which symbolizes mankind, and in a proper sense of being corrupted. The sin-offering associated with the leaven in the two wave-loaves corresponds with this.
In Amos 4:4,5 it is either the language or Figure of Irony (see Appendix 6); or, it shows that the "thanksgiving with leaven" is symbolical of the sin which is ever present even in the worshippers of God.

Thus in every instance it is associated with, and symbolical of, only that which is evil.[/size]

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 18, 2013

What / Who are the three measures? Who is the woman? (For discussions)

“The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” Matt 13:33

hermanodaniel · Jan 18, 2013

nathan3 said:

[SIZE=+1] "LEAVEN."
This Is Appendix 38 From The Companion Bible.

Its first occurrences in Exodus 12:15 significantly marks it as something to be "put away." There is no dispute as to the meaning of the word, which is sour or fermenting dough. The difference lies in its interpretation. This can be gathered only from its usage by the Holy Spirit.

It is used of its work in permeating the whole of that with which it is mixed (Matthew 13:33. Luke 13:21. 1Corinthians 5:6. Galatians 5:9. Hosea 7:4).
It is used of the bread which is made from the meal so permeated (Exodus 12:15,19,20,34,39; 13:7).
It is used in connection with sacrifices, as never to be offered to God with any offering made by fire (Levitcus 2:11; 6:17; 10:12).
It is used by Metaphor (see Appendix 6) for doctrine (Matthew 16:12. Mark 8:15. Luke 12:1. Galatians 5:9).
It is used of the effects of evildoers (1Corinthians 5:6-8; 15:33).
In Levitcus 23:17 it is used in that which symbolizes mankind, and in a proper sense of being corrupted. The sin-offering associated with the leaven in the two wave-loaves corresponds with this.
In Amos 4:4,5 it is either the language or Figure of Irony (see Appendix 6); or, it shows that the "thanksgiving with leaven" is symbolical of the sin which is ever present even in the worshippers of God.

Thus in every instance it is associated with, and symbolical of, only that which is evil.[/size]

It can also mean pride just as leaven puffs up the bread so does pride puffs up with knowledge yet with no love 1 Corinthians 8:1b-13

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 18, 2013

Digital_Angel_316 said:

Woman - Church (RCC, woman and the beast) Queen(s), Head of Freemasonry, Hellenism, -->> British Israelism

Addressing three tribes -- (Southern Kingdom - Remnant out of Captivity)

TRIBE ...........................................CORRUPTION
Judah (Royal / Government), ...... Herodians - Church-Government (One head, Jesus)
Benjamin, (Light / Doctrine) ....... Benjamin new Pharisee Church Teaching (Doctrine) (Law written on hearts, spirit over letter - Saul becomes Paul)
Levi (Priestly / Worship) ..............Pharisees - Church Worship (End of the Temple, now a temple of living stones - Levi, Tax Collector -- Matthew)

This parable is often coupled with the parable of the mustard seed. Some apply a positive interpretation to the leaven as the 'good' church growing in the world, an optimistic, but less realistic interpretation based on the judgment of the seven churches of revelation.

Contrast with Genesis 18:6
And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said,
Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead [it], and make cakes upon the hearth. (this apparently being unleavened bread)

Jon4TheCross · Jan 18, 2013

Is the kingdom of God good? Yes.

I don't see how anyone can take the leaven in the following verse (which has already been mentioned) as a bad thing? I just don't see it.

Luk 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 18, 2013

Jon4TheCross said:

Take a look at:

* Church Leadership
* Church Worship
* Church Doctrine

All corrupted.

We are coming to the close of "the church age" which is about to face judgment.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it
first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Take a look at the seven churches of Revelation. 97% of Turkey is Islamic. New York flies a 'turkey' in its "Macys Day" PaRaDeS.
The Parade is over, Macy's "day" is ending.

But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." Revelation 12:12

nathan3 · Jan 18, 2013

Jon4TheCross said:

iI'll have to look closer at this. never know, even a scholar like Bullinger may have made a mistake. I'll read more about it

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 19, 2013

Digital_Angel_316 said:

Modification to titles in table (quote above)

Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. Hosea 7:8

Ephraim is - (literally, "is become") a cake (literally, "on the coals") not turned The prophet continues the image . "Ephraim" had been "mingled," steeped, kneaded up into one, as it were, "with the pagan," their ways, their idolatries, their vices. God would amend them, and they, withholding themselves from His discipline, and not yielding themselves wholly to it, were but spoiled.

The sort of cake, to which Ephraim is here likened, "uggah" literally, "circular," was a thin pancake, to which a scorching heat was applied on one side; sometimes by means of hot charcoal heaped upon it; sometimes, (it is thought,) the fire was within the earthen jar, around which the thin dough was fitted. If it remained long "unturned," it was burned on the one side; while it continued unbaked, doughy, recking, on the other; the fire spoiling, not penetrating it through. Such were the people; such are too many so-called Christians; they united in themselves hypocrisy and ungodliness, outward performance and inward lukewarmness; the one overdone, but without any wholesome effect on the other. The one was scorched and black; the other, steamed, damp, and lukewarm; the whole worthless, spoiled irremediably, fit only to be cast away.

The fire of God's judgment, with which the people should have been amended, made but an outward impression upon them, and reached not within, nor to any thorough change, so that they were the more hopelessly spoiled through the means which God used for their amendment.
Hosea 7 Barnes' Notes on the Bible <<-- LINK

Jon4TheCross · Jan 19, 2013

Digital_Angel_316 said:

Hopelessely spoiled? Are you sure you don't mean:

Temporarily spoiled with hope for the future?

The Kingdom of Heaven has never been corrupted, and will never be corrupted or bad. If some claim they are from Heaven and have bad leaven, then we see this example:

1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

In regards to hopelesseness, I agree that many are in possession of hopelesseness, but not the Kingdom of God.

Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Heb 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 19, 2013

Perhaps we are mixing the concepts of 'the kingdom of God' with "Religions of Man" ...
remembering 'the church' is Ekklesia, Called Out ... the little flock

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Shilo · Jan 19, 2013

The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.” Matt 13:33

Flour = holy things of God , Gods word, worship
The leaven is 3 things that get mixed in to the pure ways of God.

1 Flesh - people teaching out of their own mind or pride

2 devil -enfluencing people to act corrupt

3 The world - people who do not believe in place of authority in Church or Laws passed to bind church freedoms.

Jon4TheCross · Jan 19, 2013

Shilo said:

The Kingdom of God is not mixed with evil, and the Kingdom of Heaven is like leaven. It's not so hard to understand. The following is possible, but it's only my opinion, not knowledge.

The leaven is The Word of God, the woman is the earth (which took the Word of God) and the 3 measures of meal are three days (a day with the lord is as a thousand years).

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Literally the individual body of Christ was raised from the grave after dying for us, and so this scripture has been fulfilled. Both an earthly perspective and spirit perspective can be true at the same time.

Jesus died around 30ish, and so it's possible that around 2030ish, the third day will begin since Jesus said that.

Just a perspective to consider.

Shilo · Jan 19, 2013

Jon4TheCross said:

Yeshua came and gave the teaching of the pure world of God. He gave understand to things that had been lost over time because of the flesh, devil, and the world like I put in my other post.
Passover is where we learn to eat bread without leaven. Yeshua is called the Word and the Bread of life. This shows keep leaven out of the things of God.
Yeshua let us know when he came the Kingdom of God had come to us. The kingdom at this point is the Churches. He is showing us with the 7 parables in Matthew 13 what is going on in the 7 churches. Matthew 13:41 shows this is all about the kingdom. Let them who have ears hear what the Spirit said to the 7 churches.
13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Jon4TheCross · Jan 19, 2013

Shilo said:

With this understanding, someone could say that evil is forever a part of the Kingdom of God, which is not the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God that I'm talking about is all that God is responsible for, which does not include evil.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
Psa 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Mat_5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

For clarification, the previous verses are the Kingdom I'm talking about.

Shilo · Jan 19, 2013

Jon4TheCross said:

With this understanding, someone could say that evil is forever a part of the Kingdom of God, which is not the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God that I'm talking about is all that God is responsible for, which does not include evil.

When the Lord removes all evil from the earth there will be no wickedness in his kingdom. The separation of the wheat and tares is the removal of all leaven ( sin, wickedness )from his Kingdom on earth. Then the kingdom on earth will be like the kingdom in heaven

RachelBibleStudent · Jan 19, 2013

in matthew 13 leaven is a good thing...jesus says 'the kingdom of heaven is like leaven'...

now if leaven was evil then jesus would be saying 'the kingdom of heaven is like evil'...which is obviously incorrect...

the kingdom of heaven is the leaven in this parable... the dough is the world...if you look at the original greek text it says that there were three 'sata' of dough...three sata was a very large amount...which fits with the flour being the world...the world is very big...

the leaven (kingdom of heaven) is worked into the dough (world)...until the leaven (kingdom) permeated the whole dough (world)

the parable is a picture of how the kingdom of heaven spread throughout the whole world...until the whole world has been affected...

nathan3 · Jan 19, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Leaven is not only use to teach about good. Why use such a broad statement like "now if leaven was evil then jesus would be saying 'the kingdom of heaven is like evil'...which is obviously incorrect... The scripture mentioned shows it is bad in most places its used. Im not arguing this point What im saying is take in all the scriptures that were posted.

Matthew 6:
6Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

kenisyes · Jan 20, 2013

Digital_Angel_316 said:

The Didache has it that we are the grains gathered from the hillsides of which the Eucharist is a symbol. Passover uses unleavened bread, because it is a new beginning we are called out of slavery in Egypt, which Israel considered the symbol of mankind's desire for sins of the flesh. So we are called out, all of humanity, children of Shem, of Ham, and of Japheth (3 measures). The woman is the church, which gives birth to the Son fo God (Revelation 12), and ministers to the waiting world the Kingdom of heaven, and kneads in the leaven. The Kingdom of heaven is there for all, to let us expand with the breath of the Holy Spirit, as leaven raises dough. We are then baked (refined) in the fire, and served to the waiting world.

Three measures is about 4 and half gallons or 22 lb. of flour. It is not easy for a woman to handle, just like it is not easy for the members of the church to get along. Three measures is the amount specified for Sarah to make bread for Abraham's guests. Three seah's total one ephah. It is also the amount Gideon served the angel (Jdg. 6). We all welcome others as guests all the time, but do we do it in the Holy Spirit (effect of the leaven)? One-tenth of an ephah is the normal redemption or dedication sacrifice; the Jews regarded an assembly of believers as valid if there were ten men.

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 20, 2013

Jon4TheCross said:

What is the word for 'God' there in Luke 13:20? ... hint -- it relates to THEO logy and The Oz.

Matthew doesn't use the word 'God', some say because he is a Levite and it is not a public word for them when Adonai (Rome) is around. It certainly leaves out the O for OZ (G--D).

It just means the theology will be corrupted, as it was being at that very time, had been in time past and is now being corrupted. Warnings abound, woe to you scribes and pharisees, teachers of the law ... etc.

Elin · Jan 20, 2013

nathan3 said:

It is also required in other offerings (Lev 7:13, 23:17).
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[SIZE=+1]It is used of the effects of evildoers (1Corinthians 5:6-8; 15:33).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In Levitcus 23:17 it is used in that which symbolizes mankind, and in a proper sense of being corrupted. The sin-offering associated with the leaven in the two wave-loaves corresponds with this.[/quote][/SIZE]The offering in Lev 23:17 was an offering to the Lord of the Firstfruits of the wheat harvest at the Feast of Weeks, which commemorated the giving of the Law on Mt. Sinai.

The wave offering of the leavened wheat was in thanksgiving for their food, and it was eaten. It was not a symbol of mankind.

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[SIZE=+1]Actually, it does not symbolize evil in Lev 7:13, 23:17; Mt 13:33.[/SIZE]

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