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Can one truly born again, baptized in Holy Spirit, be religious?
This may sound strange to some but to others it will ring true.
Back in 1997 I got dressed in my suit just for the purpose of going before the Lord in my bedroom to make what I called back then a "formal petition".
I asked the Lord to not let me get religious and that to do whatever it took to do this. I knew the insidious nature and danger of religion. I also knew that I was in it but I couldn't figure out what it was.
A long story short - I stopped going to a traditional church meetings and about 15 years later the Lord woke me up one morning and started to preach the gospel of the grace of God to me. I'll finish this in my next post as I wrote it down so I'll go get it.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
How does love fulfill the law? It is easy to say the words, because Paul and John
talk about this. But what do they mean?
If I feel gooy about my neighbour, I am now righteous?
If I love their car, and get them to give me a lift in it, one step closer to owning it.
How does this fulfill the law?
Now I could explore how love fulfills the law, but rather than just repeating Jesus's words,
can people express this in other words with the reason why, that is more than just a
scriptural phrase.
I ask this, because if one understands legalism, one also needs to understand why love
is the answer. Why does love stop disrespecting one parents, coveting, commiting adultery,
swearing, murdering, stealing, bearing false witness, dishonouring God?
How does love fulfill the law? It is easy to say the words, because Paul and John
talk about this. But what do they mean?
If I feel gooy about my neighbour, I am now righteous?
If I love their car, and get them to give me a lift in it, one step closer to owning it.
How does this fulfill the law?
There is no law against love, is what he was saying, peter.
To love God and our neighbor as ourself IS to fulfill all of the law and the prophets.
To love God and our neighbor as ourself IS to fulfill all of the law and the prophets.
can people express this in other words with the reason why, that is more than just a
scriptural phrase.
I ask this, because if one understands legalism, one also needs to understand why love
is the answer. Why does love stop disrespecting one parents, coveting, commiting adultery,
swearing, murdering, stealing, bearing false witness, dishonouring God?
These two threads of Ariels are really good. They are inter-related.
Pride- is this not ego? Is this not flesh? What has happened to our flesh? Dead to sin....alive to God. It's finished. Believe on a daily basis. Which is reckoning it's so or true.
It's carnality for a believer to act like the world.
We just need to seperate these these words and their understandings. Carnal and religious spirit aren't the same are they?
Pride- is this not ego? Is this not flesh? What has happened to our flesh? Dead to sin....alive to God. It's finished. Believe on a daily basis. Which is reckoning it's so or true.
It's carnality for a believer to act like the world.
We just need to seperate these these words and their understandings. Carnal and religious spirit aren't the same are they?
Willie - to continue with my testimony.
The interesting thing about this is that I did not learn this gospel of the grace of God in Christ initially from any preacher or teacher. I was just going about my own business and I had won a trip to Puerto Rico with my work.
I remember in a social meeting one person in our group asked about heaven. I told them I know exactly where I am going. They said "how do you know that?"
I told them " I am going to kneel before my Father and declare that His Son, my Lord Jesus Christ shed His blood for me and I am here because of Him."
They all looked at me as if I was from another planet. "I said this will be my greatest achievement if one can even call it that - and that is to kneel down and confess Jesus and what He has done". ( they were shocked because I had won more awards then many others and to them...performance was everything )
Then a few weeks later I woke up with a scripture in my spirit - not my head. I wrote it down and then every morning for a few months the Lord would drop a scripture in my spirit.
I still to this day from time to time take out those scriptures and meditate on them ( which includes confessing/agreeing with them ) as I feel directed by the Lord.
Now, those scriptures were the gospel of the grace of Christ and as I was learning more about them the Lord started me to look on the web for things and sure enough there were preachers preaching the same thing the Holy Spirit was showing me.
I had never heard of any of these preachers before the Lord directed me to them. So, I was taught the gospel of the grace of Christ before I ever heard another preacher talk about it.
I can remember times when the Holy Spirit would come upon me ( it seemed like He came upon me - or maybe welled up within me...I'm not sure but it felt like He wrapped me up as in a blanket of pure love ) - and He was teaching me things concerning Christ and the true nature of the Father.
His power is overwhelming and very heavy and I couldn't move a muscle but just sit there and weep as He revealed His love and grace to me. His love is the most overwhelming aspect of His presence. It is so strong and you can't take much of it as it just overwhelms you.
Since then the Lord has led me to many different people from many denominations to learn what they are anointed to teach on.
I will never go back to that false system of religion or legalism in all it's forms and desert my Lord. Never!
Anyway - that is my testimony of how the Lord taught me the true gospel of the grace of God that is in Christ my Lord.
The interesting thing about this is that I did not learn this gospel of the grace of God in Christ initially from any preacher or teacher. I was just going about my own business and I had won a trip to Puerto Rico with my work.
I remember in a social meeting one person in our group asked about heaven. I told them I know exactly where I am going. They said "how do you know that?"
I told them " I am going to kneel before my Father and declare that His Son, my Lord Jesus Christ shed His blood for me and I am here because of Him."
They all looked at me as if I was from another planet. "I said this will be my greatest achievement if one can even call it that - and that is to kneel down and confess Jesus and what He has done". ( they were shocked because I had won more awards then many others and to them...performance was everything )
Then a few weeks later I woke up with a scripture in my spirit - not my head. I wrote it down and then every morning for a few months the Lord would drop a scripture in my spirit.
I still to this day from time to time take out those scriptures and meditate on them ( which includes confessing/agreeing with them ) as I feel directed by the Lord.
Now, those scriptures were the gospel of the grace of Christ and as I was learning more about them the Lord started me to look on the web for things and sure enough there were preachers preaching the same thing the Holy Spirit was showing me.
I had never heard of any of these preachers before the Lord directed me to them. So, I was taught the gospel of the grace of Christ before I ever heard another preacher talk about it.
I can remember times when the Holy Spirit would come upon me ( it seemed like He came upon me - or maybe welled up within me...I'm not sure but it felt like He wrapped me up as in a blanket of pure love ) - and He was teaching me things concerning Christ and the true nature of the Father.
His power is overwhelming and very heavy and I couldn't move a muscle but just sit there and weep as He revealed His love and grace to me. His love is the most overwhelming aspect of His presence. It is so strong and you can't take much of it as it just overwhelms you.
Since then the Lord has led me to many different people from many denominations to learn what they are anointed to teach on.
I will never go back to that false system of religion or legalism in all it's forms and desert my Lord. Never!
Anyway - that is my testimony of how the Lord taught me the true gospel of the grace of God that is in Christ my Lord.
So summary, God told you traditional church is legalism, and it took 15 years for God to tell
you this, not from scripture, or the Holy Spirit, or fellowship, just one morning out of the blue,
and everything before this was wrong.
Now prophets plead with God about sin, about evil, about injustice, about the state of the
society they live and God sends a vision of judgement on the society.
Never heard God talking about "religion" before. Please show me in scripture where "religion"
is dealt with as evil? I am wondering because many religious people have both been good
Cornelius and evil Caiaphas. So I suspect this is too broad a term to be meaningful.
you this, not from scripture, or the Holy Spirit, or fellowship, just one morning out of the blue,
and everything before this was wrong.
Now prophets plead with God about sin, about evil, about injustice, about the state of the
society they live and God sends a vision of judgement on the society.
Never heard God talking about "religion" before. Please show me in scripture where "religion"
is dealt with as evil? I am wondering because many religious people have both been good
Cornelius and evil Caiaphas. So I suspect this is too broad a term to be meaningful.
Can one truly born again, baptized in Holy Spirit, be religious?
This may sound strange to some but to others it will ring true.
Back in 1997 I got dressed in my suit just for the purpose of going before the Lord in my bedroom to make what I called back then a "formal petition".
I asked the Lord to not let me get religious and that to do whatever it took to do this. I knew the insidious nature and danger of religion. I also knew that I was in it but I couldn't figure out what it was.
A long story short - I stopped going to a traditional church meetings and about 15 years later the Lord woke me up one morning and started to preach the gospel of the grace of God to me. I'll finish this in my next post as I wrote it down so I'll go get it.
And now he goes before the Lord in his underwear if that's what he happens to be wearing!
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Uh o my daughter is home...time for homework, dinner and family time.
Be back when God permits. Love the discussion happening. I skimmed but didn't get to read Grace testimony yet.
Something to look forward to. ....
Stunned, I have actually spent less time today on my phone. I think it's the bright Sun and driving. Suppose to have cataract surgery Feb. 7Th so maybe it will be fixed by March...that or I will go blind. Its really in God's hands.
Be back when God permits. Love the discussion happening. I skimmed but didn't get to read Grace testimony yet.
Something to look forward to. ....
Stunned, I have actually spent less time today on my phone. I think it's the bright Sun and driving. Suppose to have cataract surgery Feb. 7Th so maybe it will be fixed by March...that or I will go blind. Its really in God's hands.
Originally Posted by PeterJens
How does love fulfill the law? It is easy to say the words, because Paul and John
talk about this. But what do they mean?
If I feel gooy about my neighbour, I am now righteous?
If I love their car, and get them to give me a lift in it, one step closer to owning it.
How does this fulfill the law?
Now I could explore how love fulfills the law, but rather than just repeating Jesus's words,
can people express this in other words with the reason why, that is more than just a
scriptural phrase.
I ask this, because if one understands legalism, one also needs to understand why love
is the answer. Why does love stop disrespecting one parents, coveting, commiting adultery,
swearing, murdering, stealing, bearing false witness, dishonouring God?
How does love fulfill the law? It is easy to say the words, because Paul and John
talk about this. But what do they mean?
If I feel gooy about my neighbour, I am now righteous?
If I love their car, and get them to give me a lift in it, one step closer to owning it.
How does this fulfill the law?
Now I could explore how love fulfills the law, but rather than just repeating Jesus's words,
can people express this in other words with the reason why, that is more than just a
scriptural phrase.
I ask this, because if one understands legalism, one also needs to understand why love
is the answer. Why does love stop disrespecting one parents, coveting, commiting adultery,
swearing, murdering, stealing, bearing false witness, dishonouring God?