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homwardbound

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Yes, so the pillars are not cast down, only the stones resting on other stones. The pillars are raptured, like Philadelphia, while all the stones depending on others to do all the work will be cast down.
Okay
 

ZNP

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‘this you wrote and I just read, I got the thought of Sampson and Delilah. When he broke down the temple then being blind then. So many amazing cross overs in the between the new and old
I saw the cross over, amazing
Here is another cross over, remember when the lord said in that day many will come to Him and say didn't we cast out demons in your name and didn't we do many mighty works in your name and He says "depart from me workers of iniquity, I never knew you".

Jesus doesn't deny that demons were cast out in His name nor does He deny that many mighty works were done in His name.

So imagine you are a member of a large church that is involved in mission work and has a soup kitchen. You think that since you are a member of the church you get credit for what the church is doing, hence "didn't we do". Not you personally, but you were a member of the church that did these things. Jesus in response says yes, I was there at the soup kitchen and I was there on the mission trip, but you weren't I never saw you there.

That is an example of a stone that is resting upon another stone that will be thrown down.
 

cv5

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I don’t see fig leaves as grave clothes…

Out of all the leaves of all the trees in the Garden of Eden, they chose the fig leaves… why?

I don’t think they were looking for grave clothes…. those fig leaves must have been very beautiful…:unsure:

They were very afraid and trying to cover up their nakedness.
No.....they lost their "garment" "white robe" "raiment".

Luk 10:30 - And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

Jehovah Jireh will PROVIDE His redeemed with NEW raiment.

Rev 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 4:4 - And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 6:11 - Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
 

cv5

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Daniel 7:13
“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
Amos 8:9
“And on that day,” declares the Lord God, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.
Joel 3:15
The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
Isaiah 13:10
For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, and the moon will not shed its light.
Isaiah 24:23
Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, for the Lord of hosts reigns on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and his glory will be before his elders.
Joel 2:30-31
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lordcomes.
Isaiah 34:4
All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. All their host shall fall, as leaves fall from the vine, like leaves falling from the fig tree.
Zephaniah 1:14-15
The great day of the Lord is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter; the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Joel 2:10
The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
Amos 5:20
Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?
Daniel 7:11-12
“I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
Ezekiel 32:7-8
When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over you, and put darkness on your land, declares the Lord God.
Jeremiah 4:23-28
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and behold, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled. I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the Lord, before his fierce anger. For thus says the Lord, “The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
Answer....Genesis 1.

Mat 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jesus first shuts off all illumination, creates a state of TOTAL darkness. Then....comes His sign in the heavens.
A blaze of shekinah glory where every eye sees Him.

Gen 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 

cv5

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Daniel 7:13
“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
Amos 8:9
“And on that day,” declares the Lord God, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.
Joel 3:15
The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
Isaiah 13:10
For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, and the moon will not shed its light.
Isaiah 24:23
Then the moon will be confounded and the sun ashamed, for the Lord of hosts reigns on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and his glory will be before his elders.
Joel 2:30-31
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lordcomes.
Isaiah 34:4
All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. All their host shall fall, as leaves fall from the vine, like leaves falling from the fig tree.
Zephaniah 1:14-15
The great day of the Lord is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter; the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Joel 2:10
The earth quakes before them; the heavens tremble. The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars withdraw their shining.
Amos 5:20
Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?
Daniel 7:11-12
“I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
Ezekiel 32:7-8
When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over you, and put darkness on your land, declares the Lord God.
Jeremiah 4:23-28
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and behold, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled. I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the Lord, before his fierce anger. For thus says the Lord, “The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
The 7 year tribulation JUDGEMENT is described as "night" and "darkness".
And it becomes ever more dark toward the end.....until ALL light is gone.

I trust that you get the picture....
 

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No.....they lost their "garment" "white robe" "raiment".

Luk 10:30 - And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

Jehovah Jireh will PROVIDE His redeemed with NEW raiment.

Rev 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 4:4 - And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 6:11 - Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
The state of every person born of Adam. Until they are redeemed.....

Luk 10:30
And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.


Half dead = first death aka separation from God due to the fall of the federal head Adam, but with the possibility of RECONCILIATION by the Blood of the Lamb.
Fully dead = second death aka eternal separation from God aka the lake of fire.
 

Lafftur

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Yes, so the pillars are not cast down, only the stones resting on other stones. The pillars are raptured, like Philadelphia, while all the stones depending on others to do all the work will be cast down.
I’m not so sure… pillars were made by setting stones upon stones….then carving them as one pillar but they were not one stone…. ALL stones including pillars were cast down.
 

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I’m not so sure… pillars were made by setting stones upon stones….then carving them as one pillar but they were not one stone…. ALL stones including pillars were cast down.
That is your opinion, but not what the Lord said. He never said any stones that were on the rock were cast down, only the stones that were on the other stones.
 

Lafftur

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No.....they lost their "garment" "white robe" "raiment".

Luk 10:30 - And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

Jehovah Jireh will PROVIDE His redeemed with NEW raiment.

Rev 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 4:4 - And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 6:11 - Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
No, before Adam and Eve fell….. they were naked and not ashamed…. They did not have white raiment or robes.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.2.25&version=KJV

They tried covering up with fig leaves and later God covered them with animal skins.
 

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Did Jesus ever tell anyone who had been healed to not share their testimony?
 

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I’m not so sure… pillars were made by setting stones upon stones….then carving them as one pillar but they were not one stone…. ALL stones including pillars were cast down.
Proverbs 11:7 Hopes placed in mortals die with them; all the promise of their power comes to nothing.

All believers are living stones. If your faith is resting on another stone then you have your hope placed on mortals. I have seen this, too much hope placed in someone who is ministering the word of God. They have special doctrines and interpretations, Jehovah Witnesses do this, Seventh day Adventists do this, Mormons do this. It is very common. Too many believers trust in their pastor rather than the Bible. Rather than the revelation of Jesus Christ the rock on which we are built.
 

Lafftur

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Time for a Bible Trivia Question….

What does the Church of Ephesus receive from Jesus Christ for overcoming?
 

homwardbound

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Here is another cross over, remember when the lord said in that day many will come to Him and say didn't we cast out demons in your name and didn't we do many mighty works in your name and He says "depart from me workers of iniquity, I never knew you".

Jesus doesn't deny that demons were cast out in His name nor does He deny that many mighty works were done in His name.

So imagine you are a member of a large church that is involved in mission work and has a soup kitchen. You think that since you are a member of the church you get credit for what the church is doing, hence "didn't we do". Not you personally, but you were a member of the church that did these things. Jesus in response says yes, I was there at the soup kitchen and I was there on the mission trip, but you weren't I never saw you there.
That is an example of a stone that is resting upon another stone that will be thrown down.
Thank you for this example, I personally do not know, I do not care to know or have a list of rights and wrongs done. I simply know to stand in trust to God's mercy of Son for me. I have found doing that changes deeply things in me as I have watched and saw things leave not having a hold on me as did being under Law that got me trapped in that wrong, I knew not to do, yet did anyways. Also seeing anytime I think or thought I got it, I got humbled. thanking God for that one, troubles, righteously struck, even though I did not see it that way at first. Now do in thanksgiving and praise to God, to get all the credit, not me at all.
 

homwardbound

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Answer....Genesis 1.

Mat 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jesus first shuts off all illumination, creates a state of TOTAL darkness. Then....comes His sign in the heavens.
A blaze of shekinah glory where every eye sees Him.

Gen 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Interesting, thank you. God is light and in God there is no darkness at all. Even though people will see that differently, have and continue to
Jeremiah 29:11, David in Psalm 1 amazing grace given us to appreciate in us between God and us that choose to stand in belief to God, no matter what troubles come up against us, at least me
 

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I know that the parents of the 12 year old girl who had a NDE were told not to share it, not to make a book and make merchandise of their daughters experience. But the daughter wasn't told not to share it.

I know others were told to "first" go to the priest and talk to them, but that doesn't mean that "second" they couldn't go share it.
 

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What was the feast day associated with the entry into the land of Egypt of Israel at the beginning of the sojourn?
 

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….. they were naked and not ashamed….
Thats the key phrase. Why were they not ashamed? Then ashamed/afraid after their sin?
A cover to cover typological study is required to understand Adam's fig leaves solution.
The fig leaves were Adams faulty replacement for what was lost. Which God remedied with something He determined as satisfactory.

Furthermore, to stand in God's presence REQUIRES a covering that He provides.

Mat 22:12
“So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13
“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 

ZNP

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What was the feast day associated with the entry into the land of Egypt of Israel at the beginning of the sojourn?
Entry into the land of Israel was Passover. Are you talking about that or when they went down into Egypt due to the famine?