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Reborn

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No its not.
Homosexual are not sub humans or different from any other human or sinner, so stop treating them as if they were.

You know what is a forum sin though?

....not reading ALL of my posts on this issue, before you posted this.
That' just silly.


I stated how I felt...I was clear on the fact I think they are just lost...check it out.
 
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Sirk

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So... this thread was started for the purpose of learning how to reach gays. Sixteen pages in, how many suggestions have been offered?


Naaaaah, forget how to reach the lost. It's much more fun to yell at other christians. :mad:
You reach them the same way you reach anyone who is standing outside Gods grace....by loving them.
 

Lynx

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You know what is a forum sin though?

....not reading ALL of my posts on this issue, before you posted this.
That' just silly.


I stated how I felt...I was clear on the fact I think they are just lost...check it out.
It's not quite a forum sin, but it is certainly not being a good forum neighbor to so totally derail a thread that the OP is completely lost in the scuffle.
 

ForthAngel

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Can we please get back on topic??? There have been some wonderful answers and some very nasty comments as well. So can we please get back on track and be nice???

Ok new question: why is being gay such a "big sin"? I know it is a sin but why does it seem that the gay community is suffering more than most other groups of sinners at the hand of other Christians. :-(
Because they make themselves pariahs and many will not confess that it is a sin. They attempt to justify it and force others to accept this justification or they are not happy. Unfortunate reality, but reality nonetheless.
 

ISeeYou

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Sirk didn't say, not to warn them here... unless condemning is warning them, which I don't think it is, is it?


I dont understand, Paul warned others on how to live, and to depart from iniquity, and said dont be decieved, and warned them about those which practiced that which he listed would not enter the Kingdom of God, that wouldnt be condemning them but warning them


Can we not do what Sirk said and warn them that it is "sin," as you stated above?
I dont know what Sirk does or might mean, I speak the things for myself not for someone else
 
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after reading this post, i went back and read the op. in the op it says a goal is to 'encourage' gays - what does that mean? i don't know.... encourage them to keep on sinning and die apart from christ?

or does it mean encourage them/ like the apostles, persuade them if possible to repent and be saved ?

what suggestion is any good if it doesn't lead to godly sorrow leading to repentance ?

i didn't search through the posts to see if anyone was yelling at other christians .... if someone chooses to yell at (true) christians they don't have to worry, the (true) christians don't take offense, regardless of whether it's fun or not.
notice that a lot of sexual perverts do take offense when their sin is exposed. that's their way of life and choice, instead of having godly sorrow leading to repentance.

So... this thread was started for the purpose of learning how to reach gays. Sixteen pages in, how many suggestions have been offered?


Naaaaah, forget how to reach the lost. It's much more fun to yell at other christians. :mad:
 

Reborn

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It's not quite a forum sin, but it is certainly not being a good forum neighbor to so totally derail a thread that the OP is completely lost in the scuffle.
Lynx...I did answer her brother.
And quite a few of these are of some sort of help.

So let's not derail with posts back and forth talking about derailing.
The dude picked me out.... I actually stated my thought on homosexuals being lost.......not subhuman, or freaks.
 

nogard

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I think it's considered a big sin because it's a lifestyle choice if you choose to embrace it. So, it's kind of like living in sin in away.

However, what if someone went about a gay relationship the right way? They exercised boundaries while dating, saving themselves only for marriage, loving one another, and staying faithful to each other. If they did all that, what exactly makes it a sin. I mean, I'm speaking intuitively here. What wrong would be going on there?
 

1joseph

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[/COLOR]I dont understand, Paul warned others on how to live, and to depart from iniquity, and said dont be decieved, and warned them about those which practiced that which he listed would not enter the Kingdom of God, that wouldnt be condemning them but warning them




I dont know what Sirk does or might mean, I speak the things for myself not for someone else


Right, we should warn through love. Just as Christ would. I know we are in like mind on this I'm just going for clarity.

Last post for this night. Catch everyone later. Night.
 
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Sirk

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We put ourselves in a dangerous place when we make ourselves responsible FOR someone else. It puts us in the judgement seat.
 
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krow

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I kind of expected the OP to have more of an input in the discussion. Seems like she is just sitting back and taking it all in.
 

ISeeYou

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Right, we should warn through love. Just as Christ would. I know we are in like mind on this I'm just going for clarity.

Last post for this night. Catch everyone later. Night.[/COLOR]
My pastor informed me I was not entering the Kingdom of God if I continued in fornication with my boyfreind, that was warning me in his love, better an open rebuke then hidden love.

So I married my boyfreind and he become my husband (now of 25 years)

The pastor didnt shut the kingdom of God in my face by allowing me to go on in my sin, so I am thankful for him
 

AzureAfire

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That's true. The point is, when money falls, all of these things will go with it.
Now ask yourself, what good is a written law that says don't be gay, when in your heart you have forgiven the gay man? The power is IN forgiveness! It demonstrates the love of God, which covers sins and not expose them.
Lust is another word we are confused by. The point I was making is that even with your significant other, it all started as PHYSICAL. I can't fall in love with her mind, I don't know her. But the "attraction" itself was not taught. When I reached a certain age of maturity, I just liked females. So in viewing my own life examples, there is no such thing as a man who went through what I went through in realizing that I really like girls, but "choosing" have sex with another man.

This don't happen. When a child is born without 5 fingers or toes, one less arm or leg, we don't ostracize the child and tell him he's a sinner because he is not naturally made how a person should be. Why can't we understand the spiritual aspect of this?
*sigh* Back already, FalmingSpirit a.k.a. Servant_of_God, and now, Messenger_of_Fire?

Please note his posts in the past, under his different names:

Posts by Flamingspirit under locked thread, A Biblical verse on accepting our gay brethren: Acts 8:26-40:
-"Condemning gays to hell IS judging according to the flesh. It's judging only by what you see. Put yourself in a gay mans shoes and ask yourself what can happen in your life that will make you gay. In learning to sympathize with him, you will learn that forgiveness in your brother and not condemning him simply by what you see, is walking in the Spirit!

What power can any law have against the man I forgave!?"

-"A man who is born disabled, one arm or leg, 6 fingers on one hand, is this also against the visible nature of God? Are they also sinners who need to repent?

I have yet to meet a man who is attracted to females, but sleep with men to simply do it."


Posts by Flamingspirit under thread, What Part of the Law is That?:
- "Seeing as not having money is the direct reason that most in the world are starving, homeless or sickly, what law of God commands us to use it?"
- "If we had no money, no one will starve or be homeless. No one would steal if all things were free. Money is a lifeless piece of paper. Why make it an idol any longer?"
- "Money is imaginary. It is only needed because we believe and accept it to be. The garden is in the mind. Now if I had something you want, I can either give it to you or demand something in return. It is a choice."
- "What do you think you're under if I say getting rid of money will greatly benefit all of mankind and I get every excuse why we should keep believing debt is real. The world is $40 trillion in debt..... TO WHO???"


Being gay is not a sin. Shunning him for being such IS! If we are not gathering, then we are surely scattering abroad.

And before anyone start posting verses trying to explain that it is, I ask what do you believe Christ changed with His death? Simply killing sheep and other animals in a building?
5 fingers, toes, 2 working arms and legs are "normal" too. If one is born without one or more of these, do you treat him the same as the gay man? All of this stems from faulty teaching, in so much that we do not know what marriage is! It is the Union of the spirit and the flesh. And what God has put together, LET NO MAN TEAR ASUNDER!
I do and will continue to defend such people from murderers seeking his life. We are so confused about the bible that even today most believe that Sodom was destroyed because the whole city was gay! 1000's upon 1000's of them! How the hell were they or any other kids born then? Again I know what the law says. You however have the power to forgive. Simply excercise it!

If someone new talks about everyone being in heaven, about doing away with money, and about children being born with incomplete appendages, among other things, be ready to report, so he could be banned AGAIN. This is the 3RD time I've seen him spreading heresies in this forum.
 
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krow

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My pastor informed me I was not entering the Kingdom of God if I continued in fornication with my boyfreind, that was warning me in his love, better an open rebuke then hidden love.

So I married my boyfreind and he become my husband (now of 25 years)

The pastor didnt shut the kingdom of God in my face by allowing me to go on in my sin, so I am thankful for him
So he said that even though you are a beliver you were going to go to hell because you were having premaritial sex with your boyfriend? wow.
 
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My pastor informed me I was not entering the Kingdom of God if I continued in fornication with my boyfreind, that was warning me in his love, better an open rebuke then hidden love.

So I married my boyfreind and he become my husband (now of 25 years)

The pastor didnt shut the kingdom of God in my face by allowing me to go on in my sin, so I am thankful for him
I think it's considered a big sin because it's a lifestyle choice if you choose to embrace it. So, it's kind of like living in sin in away.

However, what if someone went about a gay relationship the right way? They exercised boundaries while dating, saving themselves only for marriage, loving one another, and staying faithful to each other. If they did all that, what exactly makes it a sin. I mean, I'm speaking intuitively here. What wrong would be going on there?
intuitively doesn't work - in the flesh it continues to allow and to condone sin and life opposed to yahweh.

yahweh's word (bible) and yahshua never permitted abominations or perversions - there's no such thing as 'the right way' to live in completely unnatural and perverse sin as an enemy of yahweh and so completely contrary to his word.

complete repentance is required , no matter what the sin is -- there's no 'right way' to just go on sinning.
 

nogard

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intuitively doesn't work - in the flesh it continues to allow and to condone sin and life opposed to yahweh.

yahweh's word (bible) and yahshua never permitted abominations or perversions - there's no such thing as 'the right way' to live in completely unnatural and perverse sin as an enemy of yahweh and so completely contrary to his word.

complete repentance is required , no matter what the sin is -- there's no 'right way' to just go on sinning.
I know, but I'm just asking you. What exactly would be wrong about it? I mean, we can understand that stealing is bad because you are taking something from someone else, and murder is bad because you are depriving someone of life. But what exactly makes being a homosexual bad? Why is it wrong?
 

ISeeYou

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So he said that even though you are a beliver you were going to go to hell because you were having premaritial sex with your boyfriend? wow.
No, he told me to repent and turn from my sin as I was a fornicator working unrighteousness

Pauls words are this

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

However still,

Jesus said,
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And the will of the Father is to abstain from the same

1 Thes 4:3 For this is the will of God,even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: