HI EVERYONE READING THIS . to explain the two witnesses in rev ch 11:3 .4 zecheraih ch 4:11--14. they are : !.moses because his body was taken up jude1:9 and 2.elijah he was taken up 2 kings ch 2:11 12 moses changed water to blood and elijah stop the rain. read also math.ch17:2. 3. moses and elijah rev ch11:6 the two witnesses they can change water to blood and also stop the rain. they will be back on earth to witness in israel in thE days jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles for 3 and halfe yrs rev ch 11:2 hope you happy with th answer? now re the sec.com. of chrst we can know. but by carefully putting the pussel together takes a lot of study and prayer. but we can not know the day and the houre. let me give you a clue just watch europe and america . when they unite becoming one power then you can count the year with the fingers of your left hand
lets talk about this( end times or?
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Ive been reading through the responces and debates.
I still am having a difficult time with it all, mostly because of the different interpitations.
I just do not have the background understanding.
Some bring more to the book of revelations, some have taken some away.
As I read , even though I struggled with it all.
This came to heart.
The final words of the book of revelations, ( let no one add to this book or take away from it!)
I cannot help but wonder if this is more than just a warning, could this be a key to understanding the words in this book ?
I have also wondered if the reason this book is written as it is, is rather simple ?
So that when the time comes for all to understand it, it is written so that satan cannot bring confusion to it.
Some have said that the scripture is always true, both in its basic understanding, and in its deeper meaning, that the interpitations should still be in agreement.
I believe this is always true with the scriptures.
Saddly, Im still as lost about the basic signs of what we are to watch for.
If some one could supply these scriptures, I would be greatful.
Like I said, I struggle with these things due to my reading issues, so if any one can do this, I would be very greatful.
Something simplified and short as possible.
I know the book of revelations has always been a difficult book to read, but , as Jesus said, one must become like these (children)
to enter the kingdom. There is also scripture that speaks to the simple, confounding the wise.
Maby its not about knowladge to understand, but the trust and obedience of a child.
Just a thought.
Anyway, I want to leave this with one final thought.
I know we all get very passonate at times when debating the scriptures because of our love for it , but we might better serve Jesus, if we remember that this is who we are serving when we share understanding, not ourselves.
I know I need to remember this all the time.
And if I dont, Jesus is sure to remind me !
In the Love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
I still am having a difficult time with it all, mostly because of the different interpitations.
I just do not have the background understanding.
Some bring more to the book of revelations, some have taken some away.
As I read , even though I struggled with it all.
This came to heart.
The final words of the book of revelations, ( let no one add to this book or take away from it!)
I cannot help but wonder if this is more than just a warning, could this be a key to understanding the words in this book ?
I have also wondered if the reason this book is written as it is, is rather simple ?
So that when the time comes for all to understand it, it is written so that satan cannot bring confusion to it.
Some have said that the scripture is always true, both in its basic understanding, and in its deeper meaning, that the interpitations should still be in agreement.
I believe this is always true with the scriptures.
Saddly, Im still as lost about the basic signs of what we are to watch for.
If some one could supply these scriptures, I would be greatful.
Like I said, I struggle with these things due to my reading issues, so if any one can do this, I would be very greatful.
Something simplified and short as possible.
I know the book of revelations has always been a difficult book to read, but , as Jesus said, one must become like these (children)
to enter the kingdom. There is also scripture that speaks to the simple, confounding the wise.
Maby its not about knowladge to understand, but the trust and obedience of a child.
Just a thought.
Anyway, I want to leave this with one final thought.
I know we all get very passonate at times when debating the scriptures because of our love for it , but we might better serve Jesus, if we remember that this is who we are serving when we share understanding, not ourselves.
I know I need to remember this all the time.
And if I dont, Jesus is sure to remind me !
In the Love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
Ive been reading through the responces and debates.
I still am having a difficult time with it all, mostly because of the different interpitations.
I just do not have the background understanding.
Some bring more to the book of revelations, some have taken some away.
As I read , even though I struggled with it all.
This came to heart.
The final words of the book of revelations, ( let no one add to this book or take away from it!)
I cannot help but wonder if this is more than just a warning, could this be a key to understanding the words in this book ?
I have also wondered if the reason this book is written as it is, is rather simple ?
So that when the time comes for all to understand it, it is written so that satan cannot bring confusion to it.
Some have said that the scripture is always true, both in its basic understanding, and in its deeper meaning, that the interpitations should still be in agreement.
I believe this is always true with the scriptures.
Saddly, Im still as lost about the basic signs of what we are to watch for.
If some one could supply these scriptures, I would be greatful.
Like I said, I struggle with these things due to my reading issues, so if any one can do this, I would be very greatful.
Something simplified and short as possible.
I know the book of revelations has always been a difficult book to read, but , as Jesus said, one must become like these (children)
to enter the kingdom. There is also scripture that speaks to the simple, confounding the wise.
Maby its not about knowladge to understand, but the trust and obedience of a child.
Just a thought.
Anyway, I want to leave this with one final thought.
I know we all get very passonate at times when debating the scriptures because of our love for it , but we might better serve Jesus, if we remember that this is who we are serving when we share understanding, not ourselves.
I know I need to remember this all the time.
And if I dont, Jesus is sure to remind me !
In the Love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
I still am having a difficult time with it all, mostly because of the different interpitations.
I just do not have the background understanding.
Some bring more to the book of revelations, some have taken some away.
As I read , even though I struggled with it all.
This came to heart.
The final words of the book of revelations, ( let no one add to this book or take away from it!)
I cannot help but wonder if this is more than just a warning, could this be a key to understanding the words in this book ?
I have also wondered if the reason this book is written as it is, is rather simple ?
So that when the time comes for all to understand it, it is written so that satan cannot bring confusion to it.
Some have said that the scripture is always true, both in its basic understanding, and in its deeper meaning, that the interpitations should still be in agreement.
I believe this is always true with the scriptures.
Saddly, Im still as lost about the basic signs of what we are to watch for.
If some one could supply these scriptures, I would be greatful.
Like I said, I struggle with these things due to my reading issues, so if any one can do this, I would be very greatful.
Something simplified and short as possible.
I know the book of revelations has always been a difficult book to read, but , as Jesus said, one must become like these (children)
to enter the kingdom. There is also scripture that speaks to the simple, confounding the wise.
Maby its not about knowladge to understand, but the trust and obedience of a child.
Just a thought.
Anyway, I want to leave this with one final thought.
I know we all get very passonate at times when debating the scriptures because of our love for it , but we might better serve Jesus, if we remember that this is who we are serving when we share understanding, not ourselves.
I know I need to remember this all the time.
And if I dont, Jesus is sure to remind me !
In the Love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
Revelations is in a sense symbolic, in that if you were to read it in English literally, then you would probably end up fearing Him for the wrong reason, He REALLY WISHES that ALL would come to remeberance (repent) and recognize WHO HE IS; LOVE, WISDOM and COMMEN SENSE, FAIR, CARE, SHARE, FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT, and that this execution (elimination) of satan (death), though has yet to have taken place, Rest ASSURED that IT WILL BE!
Only because I AM NOT; HATE, CONFUSION and ILL COMUNICATION; WAR, PREJUDISM and GREED; FAKE FATHER, FAKE SON, FAKE HOLY SPIRIT,
That it is No Easier for Our Father (LOVE) to eliminate satan; ( though he is now a bastard, Judged & Senteced) Then if He had made Abraham follow through with that knife on Issiac
Abraham was the begining of The Covenant made in Love ;Personally, i Fear for His Feelings.
Love and Peace in CHRIST!!!Forever.
hi VW!
how hard is it to grasp that The Bible is Christian from beginning to end?
Who is it about?
how does anyone take hold of eternal life, and The Righteousness of God, which is Christ?
by the Promise, by Faith? or by some other way?
who is Israel?
jew and greek who BELEIVE >> merge >> from Old Covenant for jews (finished), from NO Covenant for gentiles >> New Covenant >> into Christ BY FAITH.
i'll take my place with Paul in your determination of "awful doctrine"
really don't know what's so hard about it. ask a jew who is a Christian.
anyways....if you think the khazars are the Hebrews and are in a covenant with God, well...what can i say? nobody wants to look at that. oh well.
even if they were, Christ is the end of the Law VW.
love you
zone
Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 9:8
This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
tosses rose petals
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lol.
sorry VW.
if you think we're going BACKWARDS, what can i say?
ezekiel did what all the old prophets did: saw the promises FROM AFAR without truly understanding.
ezekiel revealed what he saw and described it the same way he described everything according to the understanding of the time, the PROMISE ultimately being revealed this side of Calvary.
tell me...how come John didn't describe THAT TEMPLE?
everybody wants to go back to the OT. but, i guess if the chuch is a blip and has to book it off the earth for a thousand years so ppl can go back to the Law, then that makes sense (not).
*waving happily*
sorry VW.
if you think we're going BACKWARDS, what can i say?
ezekiel did what all the old prophets did: saw the promises FROM AFAR without truly understanding.
ezekiel revealed what he saw and described it the same way he described everything according to the understanding of the time, the PROMISE ultimately being revealed this side of Calvary.
tell me...how come John didn't describe THAT TEMPLE?
everybody wants to go back to the OT. but, i guess if the chuch is a blip and has to book it off the earth for a thousand years so ppl can go back to the Law, then that makes sense (not).
*waving happily*
hi VW!
how hard is it to grasp that The Bible is Christian from beginning to end?
Who is it about?
how does anyone take hold of eternal life, and The Righteousness of God, which is Christ?
by the Promise, by Faith? or by some other way?
who is Israel?
jew and greek who BELEIVE >> merge >> from Old Covenant for jews (finished), from NO Covenant for gentiles >> New Covenant >> into Christ BY FAITH.
i'll take my place with Paul in your determination of "awful doctrine"
really don't know what's so hard about it. ask a jew who is a Christian.
anyways....if you think the khazars are the Hebrews and are in a covenant with God, well...what can i say? nobody wants to look at that. oh well.
even if they were, Christ is the end of the Law VW.
love you
zone
Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 9:8
This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
tosses rose petals
Paul actually wrote that we have been joined to Israel, being that we who are Gentiles and not naturally of Israel by birth have been joined into Israel by some action of God's, who can take us out again if we become arrogant.
Hey, I apologize if I offended you in this.
In the love of Christ,
vic
Hi Pickles,
The most important thing to remember about Revelations when trying to understand it is that it is a vision, from beginning to end, excluding the introduction and the closing. This means that all the things that John wrote about he saw in a vision, a spiritual experience. God opened his mind to see the things which must come.
In His love,
vic
The most important thing to remember about Revelations when trying to understand it is that it is a vision, from beginning to end, excluding the introduction and the closing. This means that all the things that John wrote about he saw in a vision, a spiritual experience. God opened his mind to see the things which must come.
In His love,
vic
lol.
sorry VW.
if you think we're going BACKWARDS, what can i say?
ezekiel did what all the old prophets did: saw the promises FROM AFAR without truly understanding.
ezekiel revealed what he saw and described it the same way he described everything according to the understanding of the time, the PROMISE ultimately being revealed this side of Calvary.
tell me...how come John didn't describe THAT TEMPLE?
everybody wants to go back to the OT. but, i guess if the chuch is a blip and has to book it off the earth for a thousand years so ppl can go back to the Law, then that makes sense (not).
*waving happily*
sorry VW.
if you think we're going BACKWARDS, what can i say?
ezekiel did what all the old prophets did: saw the promises FROM AFAR without truly understanding.
ezekiel revealed what he saw and described it the same way he described everything according to the understanding of the time, the PROMISE ultimately being revealed this side of Calvary.
tell me...how come John didn't describe THAT TEMPLE?
everybody wants to go back to the OT. but, i guess if the chuch is a blip and has to book it off the earth for a thousand years so ppl can go back to the Law, then that makes sense (not).
*waving happily*
I believe that Ezekiel saw and understood just as much as John did while seeing the vision God gave him. Daniel too.
Don't you find it odd that Daniel and Ezekiel and John all had a messenger to explain the things they did not understand? I find all three experiences remarkably similar in this and many other respects.
Blessings in Christ,
vic
if Jesus was not The Most Holy, when He walked down the banks of the Jordan and was officially announced as the Annointed One (Behold, The Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world), then you are still without forgiveness of your sins.
if His once for all Sacrifice on Golgotha did not make an end to sins, and bring in everlasting RIGHTEOUSNESS, you still have no Saviour.
if His First Advent, Death and Resurrection (foretold by Daniel's 70 weeks vision) did not receive the official SEAL of God as fulfillment, summing up and consummating Daniel's vision, you are still dead in trespasses and sins.
the 70 weeks are fulfilled. MANY BELIEVED. He confirmed the Covenant (New/Promised) WITH MANY.
He finished the transgression and brought in everlasting righteousness (for whoever BELIEVES).
Jesus pronouned all the Old Covenant curses on the Scribes and Pahrisees and those who chose them over Jesus (the WOES)
and what happened to the Holy City? DESOLATE. that's what was determined to happn to the Holy City.
and? He's been Ascended for 2,000 years, Matt. that's it.
when He comes again it's in Judgment.
rubbish.
those things have already happened.
if they didn't what are you placing YOUR hope in?
you think the Hebrews haven't been given the Gospel?
what happened at Pentecost? the Gospel went out from Jerusalem to THE NATIONS...."And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved."
Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying,
if His once for all Sacrifice on Golgotha did not make an end to sins, and bring in everlasting RIGHTEOUSNESS, you still have no Saviour.
if His First Advent, Death and Resurrection (foretold by Daniel's 70 weeks vision) did not receive the official SEAL of God as fulfillment, summing up and consummating Daniel's vision, you are still dead in trespasses and sins.
the 70 weeks are fulfilled. MANY BELIEVED. He confirmed the Covenant (New/Promised) WITH MANY.
He finished the transgression and brought in everlasting righteousness (for whoever BELIEVES).
Jesus pronouned all the Old Covenant curses on the Scribes and Pahrisees and those who chose them over Jesus (the WOES)
and what happened to the Holy City? DESOLATE. that's what was determined to happn to the Holy City.
and? He's been Ascended for 2,000 years, Matt. that's it.
when He comes again it's in Judgment.
rubbish.
those things have already happened.
if they didn't what are you placing YOUR hope in?
you think the Hebrews haven't been given the Gospel?
what happened at Pentecost? the Gospel went out from Jerusalem to THE NATIONS...."And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved."
Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying,
Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’
36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
The Fellowship of the Believers
42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
pardon?
where does it say that salvation ceases to be offered to gentiles?
is that when they disappear in the rapture?
um....??
what are blind jews doing? how come they aren't taking the mark?
did you know the khazars are gentiles?
how does your theory of visible identification work exactly?
THERE IS NOW NEITHER GREEK NOR JEW. this is critical.
if the salvation of the gentiles didn't begin 2,000 years ago, you have NO SAVIOUR.
and?
who EVER said it would be any different?
here we have a BOOK to the Hebrews...discussing the fact that The Atonement HAS COME.
take a very long look at this. particularly this part:
27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
that's it.
FINISHED.
He's Coming once more.
Hebrews 9
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.h 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
this theory attributes the Redemptive work of Jesus to satan.
if we can establish that the seventy weeks of daniel were fulfilled by Jesus, then we can see what remains to be fulfilled. we do have a tribulation coming, severe deception and apostasy. but it's not 7 years.
there's no GAP.
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’
36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
The Fellowship of the Believers
42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
pardon?
where does it say that salvation ceases to be offered to gentiles?
is that when they disappear in the rapture?
um....??
what are blind jews doing? how come they aren't taking the mark?
did you know the khazars are gentiles?
how does your theory of visible identification work exactly?
THERE IS NOW NEITHER GREEK NOR JEW. this is critical.
if the salvation of the gentiles didn't begin 2,000 years ago, you have NO SAVIOUR.
and?
who EVER said it would be any different?
here we have a BOOK to the Hebrews...discussing the fact that The Atonement HAS COME.
take a very long look at this. particularly this part:
27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
that's it.
FINISHED.
He's Coming once more.
Hebrews 9
Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.h 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
this theory attributes the Redemptive work of Jesus to satan.
if we can establish that the seventy weeks of daniel were fulfilled by Jesus, then we can see what remains to be fulfilled. we do have a tribulation coming, severe deception and apostasy. but it's not 7 years.
there's no GAP.
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nope no offense to me. i'm on my rainbow unicorn today
replacement doctrine. that's another misnomer.
the NEW COVENANT IS NEW.
New Earth.
New Jerusalem.
new mannew life.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
His Righteousness...for our unrighteousness.
replacement doctrine. that's another misnomer.
the NEW COVENANT IS NEW.
New Earth.
New Jerusalem.
new man
new life.Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
His Righteousness...for our unrighteousness.
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Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Well, here is the thing. As I was out walking with my dog Max, I asked the Holy Spirit about the vine, the natural branches and the branches that were grafted in.
Jesus is the vine. Israel is the natural branch. We as Gentiles are the branches grafted in. But there is but One Vine, Jesus.
There are some who believe that Israel has no place in heaven, nor in the kingdom of heaven. Some of these hold the Jews guilty of the death of Jesus, as a people or nation or ethnicity. This doctrine is anti-Semitic, and some of the worst criminals and most respected theologians believed this doctrine. To name just two; Luther and Hitler.
I do believe that the promise that God gave to Jacob will be fulfilled, and that Israel will become a part of, has always been seen by God as a part of His household. That we are brought in is amazing to me.
In His house, there are no separations. No distinctions. No prejudices. All are one in Christ Jesus.
In His love,
vic
His Righteousness...for our unrighteousness.[/quote]
quote=zone;384738]nope no offense to me. i'm on my rainbow unicorn today
replacement doctrine. that's another misnomer.
the NEW COVENANT IS NEW.
New Earth.
New Jerusalem.
new mannew life.
replacement doctrine. that's another misnomer.
the NEW COVENANT IS NEW.
New Earth.
New Jerusalem.
new man
new life.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Well, here is the thing. As I was out walking with my dog Max, I asked the Holy Spirit about the vine, the natural branches and the branches that were grafted in.
Jesus is the vine. Israel is the natural branch. We as Gentiles are the branches grafted in. But there is but One Vine, Jesus.
There are some who believe that Israel has no place in heaven, nor in the kingdom of heaven. Some of these hold the Jews guilty of the death of Jesus, as a people or nation or ethnicity. This doctrine is anti-Semitic, and some of the worst criminals and most respected theologians believed this doctrine. To name just two; Luther and Hitler.
I do believe that the promise that God gave to Jacob will be fulfilled, and that Israel will become a part of, has always been seen by God as a part of His household. That we are brought in is amazing to me.
In His house, there are no separations. No distinctions. No prejudices. All are one in Christ Jesus.
In His love,
vic
His Righteousness...for our unrighteousness.[/quote]
Israel (the children of Israel) are natural branches PLURAL.
the beauty of The Vine VW, is that every branch on a Vine is tied directly to It. this is an individual affair, agree?
Jesus Christ is the Fulfillment of ALL Promises, and we have the consummation yet to come when He comes in Judgment. this is all, and always has been about JESUS.
we know from Ephesians that it was the mystery hidden from the ages that the gentiles are to be full joint-heirs. we can not have boasting from EITHER side. any idea how much i love my brother Doc? a jew who knows his Saviour? that's the joy.
the problem with dispensational theology (Law/Adam-Grace/Abraham - Law/Moses-Grace/Gentiles (church)-Law/Jews - final Kingdom combination Law & Grace) is that it says God was confounded by the rejection of Jesus, and so the Kingdom was POSTPONED and he decided to bring salvation to the gentiles.
that's INSANITY. and just silly.
Biblical History is ALL CHRISTIANITY.
if we could just spend 10 minutes examining Judaism today we'll see it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSES AND THE PROPHETS. VW, it takes intervention and calling out (the REAL GOSPEL - like Peter and Stephen preached) for people in Judaism to find Christ - Rabbinic Judaism has complete hatred for Jesus built in. they are trapped in the doctrine of the Pharisees.
until people aknowledge this, there's going to be nothing but confusion and darkness for them. we say we love the jews: DO WE? do we really? how much? are we willing to be hurt and killed for telling the truth? because that's what is coming our way.
i hear all this pick up your cross and follow Jesus. i guess we'll see.
what an odd idea.
i've never heard anyone say that. maybe some crackpot useful idiots say that. the jews biggest enemy is their own religious system.
besides: who is Israel, VW? we still can't seem to figure that out.
perhaps YOU are of ancient Hebrew stock and don't know it - does it matter now that you are IN CHRIST?. or perhaps you are a khazar....WOULD THAT MATTER EITHER?
do you see how this is NOT SUPPOSED TO MATTER NOW?
this is about RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS NOW.
we've got to get people out of Babylon.
today we've got:
- British-Israelism where western anglos are being taught they are Israel (10 lost Tribes) in the flesh...are they?
- Khazars who believe they are Biblical Hebrews - are they?
- people who think they are gentile Christians, but have decided (AGAINST THE DIRE REPEATED WARNINGS ROM JESUS AND PAUL) that they need to get "back to their Hebrew Roots", and go under THE LAW - do they?
- Pharisees and occultists running the religious show in the State of Israel - is this what God wants?
- Christians being seduced into giving life to Babylonian Talmudism because they do not understand prophecy.
oh please.
Luther retrieved justification BY GRACE from the Catholic Church, which ANYBODY shoul be able to see is the daughter of Mystery Babylon. this is RIDICULOUS.
i'm not of Luther. or Calvin. or Arnold Murray. or Hagee.
and hitler? along side Luther? hmmm...oooookay.
do you know yet who funded Hitler? was he just an anomoly? who funded Stalin and the boyz? who is ratzinger?
VW: there are people HIDING BEHIND JACOB, they've stolen his heritage and name, and mean to kill you. GET IT?
the promise to jacob HAS BEEN FULFILLED. His Name is JESUS CHRIST. who has believed our report?
do you believe enemies of the Cross whoever they are will be raised to eternal life?
Philippians 3
Righteousness Through Faith in Christ
1 Finally, my brothers,a rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you.
2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of Godb and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law,c blameless. 7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Straining Toward the Goal
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.
17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. 18 For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.[/quote]
the Truth is DANGEROUS, same as always.
let's see what love really is.
zone.
the beauty of The Vine VW, is that every branch on a Vine is tied directly to It. this is an individual affair, agree?
Jesus Christ is the Fulfillment of ALL Promises, and we have the consummation yet to come when He comes in Judgment. this is all, and always has been about JESUS.
we know from Ephesians that it was the mystery hidden from the ages that the gentiles are to be full joint-heirs. we can not have boasting from EITHER side. any idea how much i love my brother Doc? a jew who knows his Saviour? that's the joy.
the problem with dispensational theology (Law/Adam-Grace/Abraham - Law/Moses-Grace/Gentiles (church)-Law/Jews - final Kingdom combination Law & Grace) is that it says God was confounded by the rejection of Jesus, and so the Kingdom was POSTPONED and he decided to bring salvation to the gentiles.
that's INSANITY. and just silly.
Biblical History is ALL CHRISTIANITY.
if we could just spend 10 minutes examining Judaism today we'll see it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSES AND THE PROPHETS. VW, it takes intervention and calling out (the REAL GOSPEL - like Peter and Stephen preached) for people in Judaism to find Christ - Rabbinic Judaism has complete hatred for Jesus built in. they are trapped in the doctrine of the Pharisees.
until people aknowledge this, there's going to be nothing but confusion and darkness for them. we say we love the jews: DO WE? do we really? how much? are we willing to be hurt and killed for telling the truth? because that's what is coming our way.
i hear all this pick up your cross and follow Jesus. i guess we'll see.
what an odd idea.
i've never heard anyone say that. maybe some crackpot useful idiots say that. the jews biggest enemy is their own religious system.
besides: who is Israel, VW? we still can't seem to figure that out.
perhaps YOU are of ancient Hebrew stock and don't know it - does it matter now that you are IN CHRIST?. or perhaps you are a khazar....WOULD THAT MATTER EITHER?
do you see how this is NOT SUPPOSED TO MATTER NOW?
this is about RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS NOW.
we've got to get people out of Babylon.
today we've got:
- British-Israelism where western anglos are being taught they are Israel (10 lost Tribes) in the flesh...are they?
- Khazars who believe they are Biblical Hebrews - are they?
- people who think they are gentile Christians, but have decided (AGAINST THE DIRE REPEATED WARNINGS ROM JESUS AND PAUL) that they need to get "back to their Hebrew Roots", and go under THE LAW - do they?
- Pharisees and occultists running the religious show in the State of Israel - is this what God wants?
- Christians being seduced into giving life to Babylonian Talmudism because they do not understand prophecy.
oh please.
Luther retrieved justification BY GRACE from the Catholic Church, which ANYBODY shoul be able to see is the daughter of Mystery Babylon. this is RIDICULOUS.
i'm not of Luther. or Calvin. or Arnold Murray. or Hagee.
and hitler? along side Luther? hmmm...oooookay.
do you know yet who funded Hitler? was he just an anomoly? who funded Stalin and the boyz? who is ratzinger?
VW: there are people HIDING BEHIND JACOB, they've stolen his heritage and name, and mean to kill you. GET IT?
the promise to jacob HAS BEEN FULFILLED. His Name is JESUS CHRIST. who has believed our report?
do you believe enemies of the Cross whoever they are will be raised to eternal life?
Philippians 3
Righteousness Through Faith in Christ
1 Finally, my brothers,a rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you.
2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of Godb and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law,c blameless. 7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Straining Toward the Goal
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. 16 Only let us hold true to what we have attained.
17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. 18 For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.[/quote]
the Truth is DANGEROUS, same as always.
let's see what love really is.
zone.
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if you say so devo
I know that Our Father is NOT a waster; and i at least HOPE that ZONE has sent Stilly a check, to cover the costs of the storage drives SHES WASTING
.Love and Peace to ALL in CHRIST!!!Forever!
hi VW.
as i said.
we have useful idiots who are believing British-Israelism.
see, that means there's a special heritage for someone who goes along with the agenda.
another name for it is Christian Identity. its just the evil twin of Rabbinic Judaism: they are both working towards the same goal, and will merge shortly.
they are both RACE-BASED systems, neither one understanding the Spiritual Kingdom.
they are both part of Mystery Babylon. and how do we know them? by their fruits. DOCTRINE. The Leaven of the Pharisees.
btw:
in Kanada (as well as dozens of other nations, since 9-11 and the "patriot" *cough* act), i can be secretly arrested, and "renditioned" to a place like....say egypt. where the TRUTH is silenced. just for what i've already posted.
have we counted the cost?
SURPRISE! it will be our so-called friends and family that turns us in. the conditioning is holding nicely.
is there anything new under the sun?
as i said.
we have useful idiots who are believing British-Israelism.
see, that means there's a special heritage for someone who goes along with the agenda.
another name for it is Christian Identity. its just the evil twin of Rabbinic Judaism: they are both working towards the same goal, and will merge shortly.
they are both RACE-BASED systems, neither one understanding the Spiritual Kingdom.
they are both part of Mystery Babylon. and how do we know them? by their fruits. DOCTRINE. The Leaven of the Pharisees.
btw:
in Kanada (as well as dozens of other nations, since 9-11 and the "patriot" *cough* act), i can be secretly arrested, and "renditioned" to a place like....say egypt. where the TRUTH is silenced. just for what i've already posted.
have we counted the cost?
SURPRISE! it will be our so-called friends and family that turns us in. the conditioning is holding nicely.
is there anything new under the sun?
I don't know sister. It seems a little............I don't know.
I do know that it will be our so-called brothers and sisters in Christ who turn us in.
I believe that a part of the 1000 years is sort of an accounting or maybe a discipline of the nation of Israel by God. I know that the temple in Ezekiel is not new Jerusalem. It is not 1500 miles to a side, in the shape of a cube. There are some really strange and strict rules for the temple that Ezekiel saw in his vision.
I look forward to the times ahead, and I also fear a little.
In His love,
vic
I do know that it will be our so-called brothers and sisters in Christ who turn us in.
I believe that a part of the 1000 years is sort of an accounting or maybe a discipline of the nation of Israel by God. I know that the temple in Ezekiel is not new Jerusalem. It is not 1500 miles to a side, in the shape of a cube. There are some really strange and strict rules for the temple that Ezekiel saw in his vision.
I look forward to the times ahead, and I also fear a little.
In His love,
vic
FROM THE JUDGE British Israelism??????? Not only don't know what it is, But don't even CARE Just another false doctrine as far as i would have to guess, as i have heard The Truth.
Sounds to me like someone is LACKING in STUDY, and CONFUSING the TRUTH of Ephriam (in which he she or whatever IT is IGNORANT of) With some man-made RELIGION.
IF Zone is an example of practising Christianity; THEN I CHOOSE HELL!
This THING called ZONE is doing nothing more than Confusing (BABYLON) the TRUTH which is not only, Peaceable and EASY to entreat (Understand) But more importantly GOOD NEWS. Personally i think its attempting to take the place of CHRIST's JOB, to JUDGE.
As all it does is SLANDER the fact that EVERYONE is wrong! Together WE WILL work it out without PREJUDISM!
British Israelism??????? Not only don't know what it is, But don't even CARE Just another false doctrine as far as i would have to guess, as i have heard The Truth.Sounds to me like someone is LACKING in STUDY, and CONFUSING the TRUTH of Ephriam (in which he she or whatever IT is IGNORANT of) With some man-made RELIGION.
IF Zone is an example of practising Christianity; THEN I CHOOSE HELL!
This THING called ZONE is doing nothing more than Confusing (BABYLON) the TRUTH which is not only, Peaceable and EASY to entreat (Understand) But more importantly GOOD NEWS. Personally i think its attempting to take the place of CHRIST's JOB, to JUDGE.
As all it does is SLANDER the fact that EVERYONE is wrong! Together WE WILL work it out without PREJUDISM!