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When the sun, earth and moon line-up we observe a lunar eclipse. Every year there are at least two and as many as five.

You have not explained what you think causes the lunar phases. If not the sun then what is it? Note that for an eclipse to occur there must be a full Moon. If the Moon shines by its own light, as you claim, then eclipses should occur in all phases. They do not.

I don't know why I am arguing this. No one here but you believes this.


You don't understand. Earth's shadow is quite narrow. The Sun's angular diameter in the sky is about the same as the Moon, though sometimes one or the other is larger. Five degrees is plenty to illuminate the Moon and make it visible from both hemispheres.


Of course it is visible from both hemispheres and of course it is seen in the same phase. Mercury and Venus are seen in the same phase as well from both hemispheres.


That's not what the Moon rocks show, but then you probably don't believe in Moon rocks. :)

By the way. Do you believe the world is flat?

Also, why do you think Mercury and Venus go through phases but not the outer planets?
As for moon phases: This is all still a theory and is not proven. So the most honest answer is that we do not know. To put forth a theory though; as it is we can probably agree that you never see the darkside of the moon, it could be plausible the moon phases are simply caused by the non-light bearing side of the moon facing the earth.

As for the stars: the fact you can view the stars from any hemisphere is further proof the earth is not a spinning ball.

As for shape of the earth theory: Now this is my most recent scientific curiosity indeed. I will say it seems to me the evidence does indeed point to a flat earth, however I am not totally settled on that theory just yet. The other plausible theories to my knowledge are Concave Earth, Convex Earth, and Concave/Convex Earth (meaning concave in the north of the equator and convex south of the equator, though in my opinion this is the weakest of the four theories.) Reviewing the relevant scientific literature seems to me any of these four theories are still on the table as plausible. Spinning Ball Earth is just simply not on the table, there is way too much wrong with that theory for which we could go on for days pointing out its severe flaws. I suppose in fairness a Ball Earth Theory is still plausible, but not with a spin.

To touch on your constant bringing up of the Babylonians, they were not the only ones with disc cosmos. Greeks and Romans, the fathers of western science (whom I am more familiar with) also believed such a theory. For example Aristotle. In fact nearly every ancient culture seems to have been having the Flat Earth vs Ball Earth debate all ready thousands of years ago. Funny enough both are still officially theories 3,000 years later lol. I had noted in the wikipedia article you posted that Ptolmey also noted that if the earth were spinning there'd be cataclysmic winds everyday. And no one has debunked this ancient claim to date.

Bible Earth is circular which could either refer to it being a disc or the circumference of sphere, so graciously the Bible still allows rooms for any of the Five Shape Theories (Flat, Ball, Concave, Convex, Concave/Convex.) Thus it is such an issue is for fair scientific testing, theory, and debate in my opinion there is no sin in investigating such things scientifically.

As for Moon Rocks and supposed visitation of the Moon, aye, I do not believe any of that can be trusted as there is much compelling evidence that moon landing was faked in order to give the US a propaganda victory over the Soviets (darn history always trumping science.) Understand, I did not come to that conclusion easily. Being an Ohioan I used to be quite vainly proud to boast that my homeland conquered the Moon and thus owns it lol. To my dismay though many people have shown me and my own independent research has shown me there is simply too many problems and dubious factors with the moon landing and NASA to trust anything from NASA.

On subject of darkness: Darkness the absence of light photons? Hmm, I think you and I actually might agree on something here Cycel! However, in fair scientific scrutiny due to the Higgs-Boson experiment it may be possible that Darkness is its own material (Dark Energy Theory.)

As for the water rotation: That is all ready covered in the video above. I think you rightly have pointed out yourself Coriolis is only a theory and is insufficient because it does not account for other factors such as how the bathroom fixture was designed, the movement of the water before drainage, etc.

Anyways, perhaps we should make a Cosmology Theory topic so as to stop burdening this theory lol. There is one cool thing about these theories in that, for one, biblically, they're all on the table. No matter which one you believe, it's very interesting that in order to investigate any one of the theories in a fair scientific manner you must investigate them all. It is also kinda cool that this is possibly the very oldest scientific debate known to man and is still officially all theory still today. You will note that all the greatest scientists of history from Ptolmey, to Aristotle, to Newton, to Galileo have questioned the status quo of their time on cosmology. So I posit that if you are a true fan of science we should also question these theories instead of blindly accept the scientific status quo of our time whom are mostly provable frauds with political and religious agendas.
 
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As for the stars: the fact you can view the stars from any hemisphere is further proof the earth is not a spinning ball.
Sorry GIS, but you are incorrect. Everyone interested in astronomy knows that the northern constellations are not visible from the southern hemisphere and the southern constellations are not visible from the northern. I know you don't understand this. You can either take my word for it or you can research the information yourself. I've spent quite a few years looking through a telescope and learning my way around the northern sky. I've always regretted that I have never seen the Southern Cross. It is just not visible from my northern location (latitude 42 degrees north).
 
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Cycel said:
By the way. Do you believe the world is flat?
As for shape of the earth theory: Now this is my most recent scientific curiosity indeed. I will say it seems to me the evidence does indeed point to a flat earth, however I am not totally settled on that theory just yet. The other plausible theories to my knowledge are Concave Earth, Convex Earth, and Concave/Convex Earth (meaning concave in the north of the equator and convex south of the equator, though in my opinion this is the weakest of the four theories.) Reviewing the relevant scientific literature seems to me any of these four theories are still on the table as plausible. Spinning Ball Earth is just simply not on the table, there is way too much wrong with that theory for which we could go on for days pointing out its severe flaws. I suppose in fairness a Ball Earth Theory is still plausible, but not with a spin.
So you do lean to a flat earth view of the cosmos. It is hard to imagine I would have to try and convince anyone in the world today that the Earth is a sphere, but below are two simple facts.

i) Travel in a straight line in any direction and you will return to your starting point. You can only do that on a sphere.

ii) This next point is something you have probably never thought of. Familiarize yourself with the appearance of the Moon in your northerner hemisphere location and then travel to the southern hemisphere to a latitude equal to the one you live in. So, for example, I live about latitude 42 degrees north. If I were to travel to latitude 42 degrees south and looked up at the Moon it would appear upside down. Very cool, eh?

The reason you hold the views you do, it seems to me, is that you really haven't looked at these things very closely. I say this because the terminology you use, particularly in astronomical matters, is all wrong. If you were more familiar with the topic you wouldn't be making the mistakes you are. Perhaps you are reading material put out by the flat earth society, but that's not good enough. If you want to truly learn about modern astronomy then you have to read legitimate scientific sources, not the propaganda mills for flat earth cosmology that try to pass themselves off as scientific.
 

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I have a belief common sense and reason says the earth is stationary. I noticed you cannot refute my single point that if the earth is spinning on its axis at the speeds you claim it is there ought to be winds greater than a category 5 hurricane every day from one constant direction. (And that is without even going into the much more absurd claims that the earth travels 65,000 mph around the sun)

Nevertheless:

Coriolis rebutted with simple science experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kekbR9kToj8
[video=youtube;kekbR9kToj8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kekbR9kToj8[/video]
Wow! I'll bet your teachers are really proud of you. "Common sense and reason" seem to have fled altogether. If the earth does not rotate on its axis, pray tell how do you explain a sunrise and a sunset?
 
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Wow! I'll bet your teachers are really proud of you. "Common sense and reason" seem to have fled altogether. If the earth does not rotate on its axis, pray tell how do you explain a sunrise and a sunset?
Well...everyone knows that the universe revolves around the earth HAHHAHHHA NOT!
 
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Wow! I'll bet your teachers are really proud of you. "Common sense and reason" seem to have fled altogether. If the earth does not rotate on its axis, pray tell how do you explain a sunrise and a sunset?
Sun has a circuit above the earth, quite simple.

Again, earth does not spin because there would be catacylsmic winds everyday from one direction.
 
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So you do lean to a flat earth view of the cosmos. It is hard to imagine I would have to try and convince anyone in the world today that the Earth is a sphere, but below are two simple facts.

i) Travel in a straight line in any direction and you will return to your starting point. You can only do that on a sphere.

ii) This next point is something you have probably never thought of. Familiarize yourself with the appearance of the Moon in your northerner hemisphere location and then travel to the southern hemisphere to a latitude equal to the one you live in. So, for example, I live about latitude 42 degrees north. If I were to travel to latitude 42 degrees south and looked up at the Moon it would appear upside down. Very cool, eh?

The reason you hold the views you do, it seems to me, is that you really haven't looked at these things very closely. I say this because the terminology you use, particularly in astronomical matters, is all wrong. If you were more familiar with the topic you wouldn't be making the mistakes you are. Perhaps you are reading material put out by the flat earth society, but that's not good enough. If you want to truly learn about modern astronomy then you have to read legitimate scientific sources, not the propaganda mills for flat earth cosmology that try to pass themselves off as scientific.
On the first point concerneing travelling in a straight line. Even on a spherical earth you cannot travel in a straight line as the surface of the earth be curved. You can on a flat or concave earth also travel in a likewise path and arrive back to your destination. So this point does not further either one of our theories.

Second point in regards to the constellations. I have actually read over this one before. If the earth is flat or concave one could simply say such constellations like the Southern Cross are outwards from the center. As compared to Polaris which is right above the central pole and thus the further from the center you go the further towards the horizon of your line of sight it goes. Also to note the Southern Cross can actually be seen from some locations north of the equator.
 
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On the first point concerneing travelling in a straight line. Even on a spherical earth you cannot travel in a straight line as the surface of the earth be curved. You can on a flat or concave earth also travel in a likewise path and arrive back to your destination. So this point does not further either one of our theories.

Second point in regards to the constellations. I have actually read over this one before. If the earth is flat or concave one could simply say such constellations like the Southern Cross are outwards from the center. As compared to Polaris which is right above the central pole and thus the further from the center you go the further towards the horizon of your line of sight it goes. Also to note the Southern Cross can actually be seen from some locations north of the equator.
Does not Isaiah write of the CIRCLE of the earth? Isaiah 40:22 word circle means --> circle, circuit, compass a good study of circuit, circuits......seems to indicate a CIRCLE......and not flat...just saying and points to ponder......
 
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Sun has a circuit above the earth, quite simple.

Again, earth does not spin because there would be catacylsmic winds everyday from one direction.
Hate to break this to you, my scientifically challenged good fellow, the atmosphere revolves with the earth, most so closer to the ground. There is air friction with the ground, and air is something of mass, with viscosity. Besides this, there is proof out the wazoo the earth revolves, like somebody pointed out every time you flush your toilet, including stationary satellites that photograph it all day and night, every day. Were you found in ice and thawed out recently? LOL!
 
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Does not Isaiah write of the CIRCLE of the earth? Isaiah 40:22 word circle means --> circle, circuit, compass a good study of circuit, circuits......seems to indicate a CIRCLE......and not flat...just saying and points to ponder......
Right, we all ready covered this one, a circle can be a flat disc, a concave disc, a convex disc, a concave/convex disc, or the circumference of a sphere.
 
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Hate to break this to you, my scientifically challenged good fellow, the atmosphere revolves with the earth, most so closer to the ground. There is air friction with the ground, and air is something of mass, with viscosity. Besides this, there is proof out the wazoo the earth revolves, like somebody pointed out every time you flush your toilet, including stationary satellites that photograph it all day and night, every day. Were you found in ice and thawed out recently? LOL!
Lol even considerring air friction if the earth spins there ought to be sustained winds greater than a category 5 hurricane everday from one direction (west to east). Yet on some days there is no wind at all. Sometime the wind comes from other directions. (This is without accounting for the 65,000 mph they claim the earth goes around the Sun, which is beyond absurd.)

Also it is not possible for satellites to be stationary if they are in orbit around a spherical earth. Here's an interesting fact, there is no satellite that faces Antarctica. They all point inwards away from it. In fact here's another interesting fact. The shortest path on a spherical earth from Australia to Argentina to South Africa would be to fly over the Antarctica, yet no flight path ever does this, instead opting to take the longest possible route there. There is one man, a freemason witch that claims to have flown over the South Pole, he claims to have been sucked down into a Hollow Earth by aliens lol, so I don't buy it. In fact very little is actually known about Antarctica. We supposedly have the technology to go to Mars, and yet not explore Antarctica? Seems fishy to me.
 
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Sun has a circuit above the earth, quite simple.

Again, earth does not spin because there would be catacylsmic winds everyday from one direction.
You obviously did not spend much time studying physics. You are so far removed from reality I don't know if it is even worth the time trying to convince you of anything.
 
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You obviously did not spend much time studying physics. You are so far removed from reality I don't know if it is even worth the time trying to convince you of anything.
You will not convince me of the lie, indeed in that you speak well. You can hurl your insults against me but you cannot disprove that if the earth spins 1,000 mph on its axis there ought to be cataclysmic winds greater than Category 5 hurricane force winds. Neverminding the extreme physics of an earth travelling 65,000 mph around the Sun. And this is not even going into the more extreme notion that the Sun travels over 400,000 mph around a fictional galaxy that has not been proven to exist.
 
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The shape of the earth, this is up to fair study according to the Bible, therefore I say to you study indeed.

Yet the Earth does not spin, it does not turn around the Sun. Now seeing as I fairly cannot convince you of the truth that the earth does not spin by simple scientific means I shall leave this topic with this finality. Let us turn to the Lord, yea the mighty Lord whom created Earth and Heavens and reigns forever, yea the Lord reigns forever on Earth and above it. His Word is the Beginning and the End.

Psalm 93

The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The floods have lifted up, O Lord, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh thine house, O Lord, for ever.


Psalm 96

O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Sing unto the Lord, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Give unto the Lord, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the Lord glory and strength.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
 
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You will not convince me of the lie, indeed in that you speak well. You can hurl your insults against me but you cannot disprove that if the earth spins 1,000 mph on its axis there ought to be cataclysmic winds greater than Category 5 hurricane force winds. Neverminding the extreme physics of an earth travelling 65,000 mph around the Sun. And this is not even going into the more extreme notion that the Sun travels over 400,000 mph around a fictional galaxy that has not been proven to exist.
Copernicus proved the earth revolves around the sun in the 16th century and every school child knows this to be a proven scientific fact. All the weight of the scientific community is against you on this yet you ignore all the evidence.
 
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The shape of the earth, this is up to fair study according to the Bible, therefore I say to you study indeed.

Yet the Earth does not spin, it does not turn around the Sun. Now seeing as I fairly cannot convince you of the truth that the earth does not spin by simple scientific means I shall leave this topic with this finality. Let us turn to the Lord, yea the mighty Lord whom created Earth and Heavens and reigns forever, yea the Lord reigns forever on Earth and above it. His Word is the Beginning and the End.

Psalm 93

The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The floods have lifted up, O Lord, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord on high is mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh thine house, O Lord, for ever.


Psalm 96

O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Sing unto the Lord, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Give unto the Lord, O ye kindreds of the people, give unto the Lord glory and strength.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
People have been up in space and can see the Earth spinning. Astromomers have observed in super powered telescopes other planets spinning. We can even observe our own moon spinning. This is basic science that you can research easily for yourself. There is no hidden motive or reason for scientists to lie about such things. What this passage is saying is that the Earth cannot be moved out of it's orbit. It is not going to go flying off into the sun, etc.

Just watch the moon for a long time and observe how the craters move.
 
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