Living A Life Free Of Sin
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LOL I am afraid you are misguided. You see if i could show you the wonderful bond the lord and i have and to give you the same i would. The kind of childlike love between the creator and the created. A love that is so wonderful and deep that words cannot describe it, only the hearts of the lord and the child beating as one can say the deep feelings for each other.
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Often times people isolate one or two scriptures and base their whole belief on just those two scriptures. We must consider all scripture in order to lead to a healthy conclusion. If John really meant that those who are born of God do not sin at all, he would be contradicting dozens of other scriptures as well as himself. Paul even said he was the chief of sinners and continued to do what he did not want despite his knowledge and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. It is just as much a sin to say we have no sin, than to do the act of sin. We would be making God a liar.
My belief on what John meant in the scripture you pointed out is that those who are born of God do not practice sin, or stay in sin. Those who are born of God love to fight against the flesh and do the will of God. I do not believe I am perfect and sinless, though.
My belief on what John meant in the scripture you pointed out is that those who are born of God do not practice sin, or stay in sin. Those who are born of God love to fight against the flesh and do the will of God. I do not believe I am perfect and sinless, though.
Scripture that tells us we must live sinless lives
Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
John 8:11...Jesus said to her, niether do I condemn you, GO AND SIN NO MORE.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
1st Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness and sin not....
2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 4:26 Be angry, and sin not....
Ephesians 5
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Colossians 3
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1st John 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1st John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Scriptures that say we are able to live sinlessly
Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit
1st Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil
Jude 24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless, Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy
Scripture that tell us how to live sinlessly (walk in the Spirit).
Romans 6:1-4
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Galatians 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5
24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
John 8:11...Jesus said to her, niether do I condemn you, GO AND SIN NO MORE.
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
1st Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness and sin not....
2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 4:26 Be angry, and sin not....
Ephesians 5
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Colossians 3
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1st John 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1st John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Scriptures that say we are able to live sinlessly
Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit
1st Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil
Jude 24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless, Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy
Scripture that tell us how to live sinlessly (walk in the Spirit).
Romans 6:1-4
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Galatians 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5
24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
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It is definitely not okay to sin, but if we do manage to sin during our walk, we need to get right back up and keep walking. As long as we are in our fleshly vessels, there will be a war going on between our Spirit and flesh. Once someone is born of God, the desires of the flesh does not just magically disappear. It is still there warring with our mind.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
How can we understand eachother? If I say that ask men are saved, you would say no as evident in your post. So to make out plain, you're saved but you still sin, BUT the sinner is not saved?
I cannot get you to see these things. It is of faith. And this is the Rock upon which WE ALL STAND. Are you with me? I pray you all are. But whether you believe or not, more and more I can never deny myself! And I desire to live not work! So if I go alone, I will still go bodly to the throne of grace.
I cannot get you to see these things. It is of faith. And this is the Rock upon which WE ALL STAND. Are you with me? I pray you all are. But whether you believe or not, more and more I can never deny myself! And I desire to live not work! So if I go alone, I will still go bodly to the throne of grace.
1John 1:8 -- If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:10 -- If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
My response is this.
1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
John shows us that when we repent we are not only forgiven but also cleansed from ALL and every sin rendering us sinless. Verse 8 is spicifically speaking of those that believe they have no need of repentance at all, and verse 10 confirm we do need to repent, saying we have all sinned (past tense). There is nothing in this passage that says believers cannot cease from sin. Especially when we keep reading through chapter 2 verse 6
1 John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John first says DO NOT SIN, next he says IF (not when) we sin there is forgiveness, then he says those that do not obey
Christ are not christians but liar, lastly He says we who name Christ ought to live as He live...that was sinlessly
Furthermore if we continue to read 1st John through chapter 3 he makes it even clearer
1st John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Could he be more clear?
#1 He says we who have the hope of resurrection will purify ourselves EVEN AS CHRIST IS PURE...once again that is sinless
#2 He says Christians are not permitted to sin
#3 He says those that do sin are not of God but of the devil
Lastly 1 John 5:18 reads ''18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.''
Those that ignore the whole of 1st John (muchless the whole of scripture) and use 1 or 2 verses out of context to teach believers cannot cease from sin are not only in gross error but false teachers perpretuating the strong delusion of 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12
1John 1:10 -- If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
My response is this.
1 John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
John shows us that when we repent we are not only forgiven but also cleansed from ALL and every sin rendering us sinless. Verse 8 is spicifically speaking of those that believe they have no need of repentance at all, and verse 10 confirm we do need to repent, saying we have all sinned (past tense). There is nothing in this passage that says believers cannot cease from sin. Especially when we keep reading through chapter 2 verse 6
1 John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
John first says DO NOT SIN, next he says IF (not when) we sin there is forgiveness, then he says those that do not obey
Christ are not christians but liar, lastly He says we who name Christ ought to live as He live...that was sinlessly
Furthermore if we continue to read 1st John through chapter 3 he makes it even clearer
1st John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Could he be more clear?
#1 He says we who have the hope of resurrection will purify ourselves EVEN AS CHRIST IS PURE...once again that is sinless
#2 He says Christians are not permitted to sin
#3 He says those that do sin are not of God but of the devil
Lastly 1 John 5:18 reads ''18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.''
Those that ignore the whole of 1st John (muchless the whole of scripture) and use 1 or 2 verses out of context to teach believers cannot cease from sin are not only in gross error but false teachers perpretuating the strong delusion of 2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12