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Sure he does. But I understand he is one you will defend at all costs. He poses himself as a teacher, gets interviews, explains it in the interview...call it what you want...it sure ain't poetry.
Look, I simply don't agree with Prince and I'll call it as I see it. You also have the right to defend his utterances...not for me.
Look, I simply don't agree with Prince and I'll call it as I see it. You also have the right to defend his utterances...not for me.
He uses the mother thing in context between living under law and grace and the 2 covenants. He only said it a few times and each time it's not to make it the 4th member of the Trinity.
If the self-proclaimed heretic hunters would not take a small portion out of a teaching video they would see that he is just using it as an allegory for the 2 covenants.
There are some things I don't agree with him in either but I'm not going to slander him or anyone else for that matter - including those other teachers I disagree with which could very well be teachers that have helped you to grow in the Lord.
Malice distorts what is being said when we don't have a chance to see "all" that is being said in context.
That's fair enough to disagree though. We have discussed this before about not slandering others in the body of Christ. As long as we don't cross that line then it's ok to agree to disagree.
If the self-proclaimed heretic hunters would not take a small portion out of a teaching video they would see that he is just using it as an allegory for the 2 covenants.
There are some things I don't agree with him in either but I'm not going to slander him or anyone else for that matter - including those other teachers I disagree with which could very well be teachers that have helped you to grow in the Lord.
Malice distorts what is being said when we don't have a chance to see "all" that is being said in context.
That's fair enough to disagree though. We have discussed this before about not slandering others in the body of Christ. As long as we don't cross that line then it's ok to agree to disagree.
did you ever wonder that when our Saviour's called and chosen, way back when - I'm talking like
what they wore and how they identified with their flocks, when they came into the areas that they
were led/sent to teach and preach Jesus' glorious gospel? -
do you think that they dressed-up, better and above those who they were preaching and teaching their
slant on their Saviour's Love to? or do you thing that they lived a lifestyle of opulence, power and wealth
as they preached the Lord's gospel/kingdom while most of the world was so over-whelmed
by hunger, homelessness and so many people who were needy & un-cared for?
or that they, Jesus' servants had possessions above and beyond that none of their flock could ever dream
of owning or possessing in their lifetime?
or can you imagine that God's true, humble servants of His Word of Faith and Salvation would have
ever sat back on a couch and basked in their own praise and applause and adoration that our
so called TV 'preachers, apostles, prophets, diciples,' - supposedly men of God just expect?
to me, they definitely look like they are doing an act in a 70's Johnny Carson-arena???
in my world, I only know One who firstly deserves my Love, adoration, and servitude,
all that I am able to give Him and others where He leads me...I cannot begin to express my in my gratitude...
can we honestly believe that today's men and women of God, if they are humble and care only for the
lost, lonely, hungry, and needy, can they truly feel comfortable being so elevated and rich above the common man,
who like so many of us, have so many needs and most of all we have such a great need to identify
with our Saviour, the most Loving, righteous, and humble man ever born...
devilish behavior is on a rampage, and so many are buying into these end-time deceptions...
May God have mercy upon us and open our eyes to the wiles of the god of this world who is in the
last faze of trying to claiming his own through his great and powerful art of deception...
what they wore and how they identified with their flocks, when they came into the areas that they
were led/sent to teach and preach Jesus' glorious gospel? -
do you think that they dressed-up, better and above those who they were preaching and teaching their
slant on their Saviour's Love to? or do you thing that they lived a lifestyle of opulence, power and wealth
as they preached the Lord's gospel/kingdom while most of the world was so over-whelmed
by hunger, homelessness and so many people who were needy & un-cared for?
or that they, Jesus' servants had possessions above and beyond that none of their flock could ever dream
of owning or possessing in their lifetime?
or can you imagine that God's true, humble servants of His Word of Faith and Salvation would have
ever sat back on a couch and basked in their own praise and applause and adoration that our
so called TV 'preachers, apostles, prophets, diciples,' - supposedly men of God just expect?
to me, they definitely look like they are doing an act in a 70's Johnny Carson-arena???
in my world, I only know One who firstly deserves my Love, adoration, and servitude,
all that I am able to give Him and others where He leads me...I cannot begin to express my in my gratitude...
can we honestly believe that today's men and women of God, if they are humble and care only for the
lost, lonely, hungry, and needy, can they truly feel comfortable being so elevated and rich above the common man,
who like so many of us, have so many needs and most of all we have such a great need to identify
with our Saviour, the most Loving, righteous, and humble man ever born...
devilish behavior is on a rampage, and so many are buying into these end-time deceptions...
May God have mercy upon us and open our eyes to the wiles of the god of this world who is in the
last faze of trying to claiming his own through his great and powerful art of deception...
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God honors the humble and poor. He does not see the richness of clothes but the beauty of a heart yearning for Him.
Jesus had both rich and poor followers...the difference is believers know that all are not our personal possessions but just entrusted into our care to use to glorify God. Even our body, time, lives are not ours but God's temple and way to minister to others.
Jesus had both rich and poor followers...the difference is believers know that all are not our personal possessions but just entrusted into our care to use to glorify God. Even our body, time, lives are not ours but God's temple and way to minister to others.
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It isn't a strawman if we define biblical terms differently. The way LS defines "repentance" is the exact opposite of the way it is used in the bible where salvation is concerned. If you would actually read the material given to you you might learn how it is actually used in the bible. Study Matthew 9:9-13 and try to recognize how it is used in this passage. It is a very good illustration of how the term applies to salvation. The Pharisees problem was they thought they were righteous by "following" and depending on their keeping the law instead of believing and depending on Jesus. Which is exactly what LS does to people. Some may be saved but deceived by the teaching, others may be lost and on their way to hell if they continue depending on their own obedience rather than Christ.
I'm sorry you don't see the significance of this, but don't try to downplay it just because you don't understand it.
I'm sorry you don't see the significance of this, but don't try to downplay it just because you don't understand it.
Ariel said something earlier. I think it was in this thread. She asked if...faith was given to us as a gift. I haven't been able to get it out of my mind.
It has to be a gift. Otherwise, men will just congratulate themselves on choosing to believe, intellectually.
I've heard men say that they chose to believe and others choose not to believe, so they're going to heaven and those who make a bad decision not to believe are going to hell. That is congratulating yourself.
But no one could choose to believe without being drawn by God.
Every good thing comes from God.
Faith is a good thing.
So faith is a gift from God.
Blind men don't just choose to see.
They have to have an operation or be healed of their blindness.
But there IS the expectation that we keep in the faith. Everyday we make choices to believe even though we can't understand. A good example because we've seen it in here recently is Jesus saying anger in our heart is murder and others saying it isn't. At that point you CHOOSE whether to believe and follow Him or believe what the world says is murder.
The one way makes you see what is inside you. The other way makes you deny what is in you.
This reminds me of something Pascal said, but it might not seem relevant to anyone else. He said something like...christian piety destroys the ego. Human politeness and manners conceal and suppress it.
It has to be a gift. Otherwise, men will just congratulate themselves on choosing to believe, intellectually.
I've heard men say that they chose to believe and others choose not to believe, so they're going to heaven and those who make a bad decision not to believe are going to hell. That is congratulating yourself.
But no one could choose to believe without being drawn by God.
Every good thing comes from God.
Faith is a good thing.
So faith is a gift from God.
Blind men don't just choose to see.
They have to have an operation or be healed of their blindness.
But there IS the expectation that we keep in the faith. Everyday we make choices to believe even though we can't understand. A good example because we've seen it in here recently is Jesus saying anger in our heart is murder and others saying it isn't. At that point you CHOOSE whether to believe and follow Him or believe what the world says is murder.
The one way makes you see what is inside you. The other way makes you deny what is in you.
This reminds me of something Pascal said, but it might not seem relevant to anyone else. He said something like...christian piety destroys the ego. Human politeness and manners conceal and suppress it.
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*For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. - Romans 12:3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans12:3&version=NKJV
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https://www.gty.org/resources/articles/A129/Clarifying-the-Lordship-Debate-Part-1
Quoted from above article
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The lordship controversy is a disagreement over the nature of true faith. Those who want to eliminate Christ's lordship from the gospel see faith as simple trust in a set of truths about Christ. Faith, as they describe it, is merely a personal appropriation of the promise of eternal life.
But Scripture describes faith as more than that—it is a wholehearted trust in Christ personally (e.g., Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9). Not merely faith about Him; faith in Him. Note the difference: If I say I believe some promise you have made, I am saying far less than if I say I trust you. Believing in a person necessarily involves some degree of commitment. Trusting Christ means placing oneself in His custody for both life and death. It means we rely on His counsel, trust in His goodness, and entrust ourselves for time and eternity to His guardianship. Real faith, saving faith, is all of me (mind, emotions, and will) embracing all of Him (Savior, Advocate, Provider, Sustainer, Counselor, and Lord God).
Those who have such faith will love Christ (Romans 8:28; 1 Corinthians 16:22; 1 John 4:19). They will therefore want to do His bidding. How could someone who truly believes in Christ continue to defy His authority and pursue what He hates? In this sense, then, the crucial issue for lordship salvation is not merely authority and submission, but the affections of the heart. Jesus as Lord is far more than just an authority figure; He's also our highest treasure and most precious companion. We obey Him out of sheer delight.
So the gospel demands surrender, not only for authority's sake, but also because surrender is the believer's highest joy. Such surrender is not an extraneous adjunct to faith; it is the very essence of believing."
Quoted from above article
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The lordship controversy is a disagreement over the nature of true faith. Those who want to eliminate Christ's lordship from the gospel see faith as simple trust in a set of truths about Christ. Faith, as they describe it, is merely a personal appropriation of the promise of eternal life.
But Scripture describes faith as more than that—it is a wholehearted trust in Christ personally (e.g., Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9). Not merely faith about Him; faith in Him. Note the difference: If I say I believe some promise you have made, I am saying far less than if I say I trust you. Believing in a person necessarily involves some degree of commitment. Trusting Christ means placing oneself in His custody for both life and death. It means we rely on His counsel, trust in His goodness, and entrust ourselves for time and eternity to His guardianship. Real faith, saving faith, is all of me (mind, emotions, and will) embracing all of Him (Savior, Advocate, Provider, Sustainer, Counselor, and Lord God).
Those who have such faith will love Christ (Romans 8:28; 1 Corinthians 16:22; 1 John 4:19). They will therefore want to do His bidding. How could someone who truly believes in Christ continue to defy His authority and pursue what He hates? In this sense, then, the crucial issue for lordship salvation is not merely authority and submission, but the affections of the heart. Jesus as Lord is far more than just an authority figure; He's also our highest treasure and most precious companion. We obey Him out of sheer delight.
So the gospel demands surrender, not only for authority's sake, but also because surrender is the believer's highest joy. Such surrender is not an extraneous adjunct to faith; it is the very essence of believing."
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Repentance is not incidental to the gospel. What is the gospel, after all, but a call to repentance (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30)? In other words, it demands that sinners make a change—stop going one way and turn around to go the other (1 Thessalonians 1:9). Paul's evangelistic invitations always demanded repentance: "God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent" (Acts 17:30). Here's how Paul described His own ministry and message: "I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision, but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance" (Acts 26:19-20, emphasis added). Repentance is what leads to life (Acts 11:18) and to the knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 2:25). Thus salvation is impossible apart from repentance.
Advocates of the no-lordship position frequently suggest that preaching repentance adds something to the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone.
But faith presupposes repentance. How can those who are mortal enemies of God (Romans 5:10) sincerely believe in His Son without repenting? How can anyone truly comprehend the truth of salvation from sin and its consequences, unless that person also genuinely understands and hates what sin is? The whole sense of faith is that we trust Christ to liberate us from the power and penalty of sin. Therefore sinners cannot come to sincere faith apart from a complete change of heart, a turnaround of the mind and affections and will. That is repentance. It is not a supplement to the gospel invitation; it is precisely what the gospel demands. Our Lord Himself described His primary mission as that of calling sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:13).
We often speak of the salvation experience as "conversion." That is biblical terminology (Matthew 18:3; John 12:40; Acts 15:3). Conversion and repentance are closely related terms. Conversion occurs when a sinner turns to God in repentant faith. It is a complete turnaround, an absolute change of moral and volitional direction. Such a radical reversal is the response the gospel calls for, whether the plea to sinners is phrased as "believe," "repent," or "be converted." Each entails the others.
If someone is walking away from you and you say, "Come here," it is not necessary to say " turn around and come." The U-turn is implied in the direction "come." In like manner, when our Lord says, "Come to Me" (Matt. 11:28), the about-face of repentance is understood. Nowhere does Scripture issue an evangelistic appeal that does not at least imply the necessity of repentance. Our Lord offers nothing to impenitent sinners (Matthew 9:13 ; Mark 2:17 ; Luke 5:32).
Again, repentance is not a human work. Jesus said, "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (John 6:44). It is God who grants repentance (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25). Repentance is not pre-salvation self-improvement. It is not a question of atoning for sin or making restitution before turning to Christ in faith. It is an inward turning from sin to Christ. Though it is not itself a "work" the sinner performs, genuine repentance will certainly produce good works as its inevitable fruit (Matthew 3:8)."
https://www.gty.org/resources/articles/A130/Clarifying-the-Lordship-Debate-Part-2
Repentance is not incidental to the gospel. What is the gospel, after all, but a call to repentance (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30)? In other words, it demands that sinners make a change—stop going one way and turn around to go the other (1 Thessalonians 1:9). Paul's evangelistic invitations always demanded repentance: "God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent" (Acts 17:30). Here's how Paul described His own ministry and message: "I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision, but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance" (Acts 26:19-20, emphasis added). Repentance is what leads to life (Acts 11:18) and to the knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 2:25). Thus salvation is impossible apart from repentance.
Advocates of the no-lordship position frequently suggest that preaching repentance adds something to the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone.
But faith presupposes repentance. How can those who are mortal enemies of God (Romans 5:10) sincerely believe in His Son without repenting? How can anyone truly comprehend the truth of salvation from sin and its consequences, unless that person also genuinely understands and hates what sin is? The whole sense of faith is that we trust Christ to liberate us from the power and penalty of sin. Therefore sinners cannot come to sincere faith apart from a complete change of heart, a turnaround of the mind and affections and will. That is repentance. It is not a supplement to the gospel invitation; it is precisely what the gospel demands. Our Lord Himself described His primary mission as that of calling sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:13).
We often speak of the salvation experience as "conversion." That is biblical terminology (Matthew 18:3; John 12:40; Acts 15:3). Conversion and repentance are closely related terms. Conversion occurs when a sinner turns to God in repentant faith. It is a complete turnaround, an absolute change of moral and volitional direction. Such a radical reversal is the response the gospel calls for, whether the plea to sinners is phrased as "believe," "repent," or "be converted." Each entails the others.
If someone is walking away from you and you say, "Come here," it is not necessary to say " turn around and come." The U-turn is implied in the direction "come." In like manner, when our Lord says, "Come to Me" (Matt. 11:28), the about-face of repentance is understood. Nowhere does Scripture issue an evangelistic appeal that does not at least imply the necessity of repentance. Our Lord offers nothing to impenitent sinners (Matthew 9:13 ; Mark 2:17 ; Luke 5:32).
Again, repentance is not a human work. Jesus said, "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (John 6:44). It is God who grants repentance (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25). Repentance is not pre-salvation self-improvement. It is not a question of atoning for sin or making restitution before turning to Christ in faith. It is an inward turning from sin to Christ. Though it is not itself a "work" the sinner performs, genuine repentance will certainly produce good works as its inevitable fruit (Matthew 3:8)."
https://www.gty.org/resources/articles/A130/Clarifying-the-Lordship-Debate-Part-2
I never checked in to the issue of Lordship salvation,but God wants to be addressed as LORD,for would a person want to deny that.
If Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,then Jesus is entitled to receive all that God would receive,in honoring,obeying,and worshipping Him,so we would not want to deny Jesus as Lord.
The Bible says that God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church will His own blood,and Jesus said it is the Father that dwells in Him,He does he works,and God in the Old Testament told the Jews that He would reveal a new name to them,and speak to them,which Jesus said if you have seen me,then you have seen the Father,and no person has seen God at any time,the only begotten Son declared Him.
It is God Himself that did all those things,and the man Christ Jesus only did good,because God caused Him to do good,which the man Christ Jesus said,why call me good,there is only one that is good,and that is God.
So it is God Himself that did everything,and the man Christ Jesus is God's personal human body,and the Son said he could do nothing on His own,but did the will of the Father.
God Himself did everything,and it His righteousness that caused Christ to have righteousness,so the righteousness only comes from Christ,because it comes from God.
So we better acknowledge Jesus as Lord,and it essential to salvation to acknowledge Him as Lord,because it all comes from God Himself,and God said He is the only Savior,and would we deny God as LORD,and say we do not have to acknowledge Him as LORD,and acknowledging Him as LORD has nothing to do with our being right with Him.
Then we cannot do so with Jesus either.
If Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,then Jesus is entitled to receive all that God would receive,in honoring,obeying,and worshipping Him,so we would not want to deny Jesus as Lord.
The Bible says that God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church will His own blood,and Jesus said it is the Father that dwells in Him,He does he works,and God in the Old Testament told the Jews that He would reveal a new name to them,and speak to them,which Jesus said if you have seen me,then you have seen the Father,and no person has seen God at any time,the only begotten Son declared Him.
It is God Himself that did all those things,and the man Christ Jesus only did good,because God caused Him to do good,which the man Christ Jesus said,why call me good,there is only one that is good,and that is God.
So it is God Himself that did everything,and the man Christ Jesus is God's personal human body,and the Son said he could do nothing on His own,but did the will of the Father.
God Himself did everything,and it His righteousness that caused Christ to have righteousness,so the righteousness only comes from Christ,because it comes from God.
So we better acknowledge Jesus as Lord,and it essential to salvation to acknowledge Him as Lord,because it all comes from God Himself,and God said He is the only Savior,and would we deny God as LORD,and say we do not have to acknowledge Him as LORD,and acknowledging Him as LORD has nothing to do with our being right with Him.
Then we cannot do so with Jesus either.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord,and His Lordship in a person's life is essential.
Some do it while on earth,and those that did not will confess when they are at the great white throne judgment.
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord,and His Lordship in a person's life is essential.
Some do it while on earth,and those that did not will confess when they are at the great white throne judgment.