Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

[OIC1965]

Palagius argued since Augustine claimed faith alone then he postulated faith is a good thing therefore you move first. Augustine then says ok faith has to given first. problem solved.

Faith’s mama is Grace.

 

[OIC1965]

Id argue that you have a gnostic understanding of that verse lol 😆

Did Paul say the things of the Spirit cannot be known by the natural man? I thought I saw that there in that verse.

 

[throughfaith]

Did Paul say the things of the Spirit cannot be known by the natural man? I thought I saw that there in that verse.

here we go lol . But this is a good example of how much we are all influenced .

 

[OIC1965]

here we go lol . But this is a good example of how much we are all influenced .

Define the word “know” as it is used in 1 Cor. 2:14. If you dare...

 

[throughfaith]

Define the word “know” as it is used in 1 Cor. 2:14. If you dare...

How about ' the things ' ? then read verse 6 and 15 .And the beginning of chapter 3 . Miss that and you will struggle to unsee the calvinistic interpretation

 

[throughfaith]

Define the word “know” as it is used in 1 Cor. 2:14. If you dare...

Ask yourself what ' the things ' Are ? because it says in verse 6 what they are .

 

[OIC1965]

How about ' the things ' ? then read verse 6 and 15 .And the beginning of chapter 3 . Miss that and you will struggle to unsee the calvinistic interpretation

Still only known and DISCERNED by some.

 

[throughfaith]

Still only known and DISCERNED by some.

After we believe . Not before The calvinist claim is that the natural man is a unregenerated person who cannot believe the Gospel.

 

[OIC1965]

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Father has revealed it.

Unto you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but to them it is not given.

I thank you Father that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes

 

[OIC1965]

After we believe . Not before The calvinist claim is that the natural man is a unregenerated person who cannot believe the Gospel.

So the regenerate do have knowledge that the unregenerate cannot know ( until they be regenerated? ). There is knowledge that a spiritual man possesses that a natural man cannot possess?

Because you called this concept gnostic earlier.

 

[throughfaith]

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Father has revealed it.

Unto you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but to them it is not given.

I thank you Father that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes

Are these ' Chosen ones ' Chosen before the foundation of the world and at the right time are awakened ?

 

[throughfaith]

So the regenerate do have knowledge that the unregenerate cannot know ( until they be regenerated? ).

But the Gospel is not that knowledge .

 

[OIC1965]

But the Gospel is not that knowledge .

But it is knowledge held only by the regenerate. And in post 473, you insinuated that was a gnostic concept. So you’re definitely painting with a very broad brush, and are going way outside the lines.

 

[throughfaith]

So the regenerate do have knowledge that the unregenerate cannot know ( until they be regenerated? ). There is knowledge that a spiritual man possesses that a natural man cannot possess?

Because you called this concept gnostic earlier.

The deeper things of God are spirituality discerned .

 

[throughfaith]

But it is knowledge held only by the regenerate. And in post 473, you insinuated that was a gnostic concept.

The point is that ONLY a chosen few that have been determined can and will know

 

[throughfaith]

But it is knowledge held only by the regenerate. And in post 473, you insinuated that was a gnostic concept. So you’re definitely painting with a very broad brush, and are going way outside the lines.

The unsaved can understand the Gospel.

 

[OIC1965]

The unsaved can understand the Gospel.

You said that the concept of having knowledge that others cannot have in their natural state is gnostic. Yet Paul said the spiritual man holds knowledge that the natural man cannot know or discern

So either you are wrong or Paul is a gnostic.

 

[throughfaith]

You said that the concept of having knowledge that others cannot have in their natural state is gnostic. Yet Paul said the spiritual man holds knowledge that the natural man cannot know or discern

So either you are wrong or Paul is a gnostic.

Can a non elect person believe the Gospel according to Calvinism ?

 

[OIC1965]

The point is that ONLY a chosen few that have been determined can and will know

That’s not what you said in 473. You’re moving goalposts again.

 

[OIC1965]

Can a non elect person believe the Gospel according to Calvinism ?

God doesn’t elect people who will never believe the Gospel, so the answer is no.