Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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Yes taking Christ seriously is indeed important , that’s what the gospel teaches us about lots and lots of encouragement and comfort for believers along side lots and lots of warnings of dangers and lost paths ahead .
we simply need to walk in the light rather than the darkness .
the thing is who are we supposed to obey ? And what was it that he said ?
There are two types of righteousness in scripture one comes from the law and ones faultless obedience to it
I find a gem for believers in there scriptures regarding righteousness and the mind frame we should have Paul is bragging about his freshly accomplishments under the law but his conclusions are relatively astounding
“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:
for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”
Philippians 3:5-15 KJV
I love that chapter and find a ton of great value of how we should be looking at this whole thing a bit like your explaining we need to have a goal set as high as the heavens , but we should never think we’ve attained perfection. We should also look at the new covenant law and not the old one provides the righteousness of faith the other a righteousness of self that is worth dung compared to Christ’s righteousness
the law can’t make a person right before God but the gospel can .
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23-24 KJV
We need the law of the spirit not the law of the flesh
we simply need to walk in the light rather than the darkness .
the thing is who are we supposed to obey ? And what was it that he said ?
There are two types of righteousness in scripture one comes from the law and ones faultless obedience to it
I find a gem for believers in there scriptures regarding righteousness and the mind frame we should have Paul is bragging about his freshly accomplishments under the law but his conclusions are relatively astounding
“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:
for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”
Philippians 3:5-15 KJV
I love that chapter and find a ton of great value of how we should be looking at this whole thing a bit like your explaining we need to have a goal set as high as the heavens , but we should never think we’ve attained perfection. We should also look at the new covenant law and not the old one provides the righteousness of faith the other a righteousness of self that is worth dung compared to Christ’s righteousness
the law can’t make a person right before God but the gospel can .
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23-24 KJV
We need the law of the spirit not the law of the flesh
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You only get to have it your way at Burger King.
The sin of Adam, imputed to everyone, brought physical and spiritual death.
The physical we understand, at some point we all die physically, not because we sinned but because of the stain of sin from Adam.
This does not mean that people are not free from sinning or confessing the sin (which is for our own benefit to shine a light on it)
None of God's grace that was bought for us with the blood of Christ is given to anyone who is not born again. The fact that Jesus tells us we MUST be born again.....He was telling Nicodemus (who did not understand) that understanding comes with being born again (which is indicative that Nic was not born again at that time) We are all DEAD in sin and trespasses. The word "dead" as used in these scriptures indicates we are a CORPSE (check the Strong's). Can a corpse be atoned for? To say yes is to propose that people can be saved after they are a dead.
Colossians 2:13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.
Ephesians 2:1 - And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, ... For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The sin of Adam, imputed to everyone, brought physical and spiritual death.
The physical we understand, at some point we all die physically, not because we sinned but because of the stain of sin from Adam.
This does not mean that people are not free from sinning or confessing the sin (which is for our own benefit to shine a light on it)
None of God's grace that was bought for us with the blood of Christ is given to anyone who is not born again. The fact that Jesus tells us we MUST be born again.....He was telling Nicodemus (who did not understand) that understanding comes with being born again (which is indicative that Nic was not born again at that time) We are all DEAD in sin and trespasses. The word "dead" as used in these scriptures indicates we are a CORPSE (check the Strong's). Can a corpse be atoned for? To say yes is to propose that people can be saved after they are a dead.
Colossians 2:13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.
Ephesians 2:1 - And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, ... For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The blood would be useless to us if Jesus did not rise.
1 cor 15 .
12¶Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1 cor 15 .
12¶Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
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Ya but if we are looking at what each single verse says we can say anything . It’s about what the message is . See faith believes what God said .
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that’s what the risen lord has said faith is when we don’t have to first agree with him but we believe in the one who said it so it is acceptable . It’s about us conforming to what he said is the right things , not a compromise of what we want it to be and what he said , it’s a matter of faith .
baptism of one believes all of the doctrine explaining baptism is important , and certainly what Jesus said to do and he connected it to salvation no one else did that but some people believe and have their faith in him . So when they hear what he said about something that then is the end of it in thier faith .
faith is about believing his word if anyone actually believes what scripture says baptism means everyone would run to be baptized but if they come up with their own belief about baptism and decide what it means and it’s not important then they aren’t going to bother
faith is what we’re all about, faith will always take Gods word above anything else which comes behind his word and explains different answers than he did
baptism is important , no one who believes is going to be cast away because they didn’t happen to get baptized ,
it’s a Matter of accepting and believing the gospel , baptism is taught in the gospel and Jesus made a
Statement clear about it , each person can take his words or cast them away and Make thier own Ideas it’s a
Matter of faith .
faith will never teach us that believing and obeying Gods word is a bad thing or not for us faith will always teach us to find out what the lord said and believe it and follow where that belief leads
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that’s what the risen lord has said faith is when we don’t have to first agree with him but we believe in the one who said it so it is acceptable . It’s about us conforming to what he said is the right things , not a compromise of what we want it to be and what he said , it’s a matter of faith .
baptism of one believes all of the doctrine explaining baptism is important , and certainly what Jesus said to do and he connected it to salvation no one else did that but some people believe and have their faith in him . So when they hear what he said about something that then is the end of it in thier faith .
faith is about believing his word if anyone actually believes what scripture says baptism means everyone would run to be baptized but if they come up with their own belief about baptism and decide what it means and it’s not important then they aren’t going to bother
faith is what we’re all about, faith will always take Gods word above anything else which comes behind his word and explains different answers than he did
baptism is important , no one who believes is going to be cast away because they didn’t happen to get baptized ,
it’s a Matter of accepting and believing the gospel , baptism is taught in the gospel and Jesus made a
Statement clear about it , each person can take his words or cast them away and Make thier own Ideas it’s a
Matter of faith .
faith will never teach us that believing and obeying Gods word is a bad thing or not for us faith will always teach us to find out what the lord said and believe it and follow where that belief leads
If we were saved based on command keeping we would all perish. We are justified by faith in Christ, and then we obey Him in love.
The Law says “ the one who performs will live”. The Gospel says “ the one who believes will be saved”
I don’t want to be saved by anything but the righteousness that is by faith in Christ. Does that mean I don’t strive against sin or strive to keep His commandments? No I strive after these things. But they are not what I base my eternal hope on. If they were, I would be most wretched.
The Law says “ the one who performs will live”. The Gospel says “ the one who believes will be saved”
I don’t want to be saved by anything but the righteousness that is by faith in Christ. Does that mean I don’t strive against sin or strive to keep His commandments? No I strive after these things. But they are not what I base my eternal hope on. If they were, I would be most wretched.
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