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serving god with all our hearts has always been the biggest deal. just read the book of kings. every king was judged by how much they loved god. we are also judged by how much we love god.
 

SweetShelly35

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Amen! I am so grateful everyday that I have been saved. I am still a work in progress, but it feels so good to be born again!
 
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Amen! Jesus says if you love me you will keep my commands.
 
May 18, 2011
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AMEN AND AMEN!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Amen

I must admit though, that i have a really hard time seeing the connection between loving God and fearing Him, as by my understanding of the words they cannot coexist.
 
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Yes, if we love God we will obey Him, and keep His commands, but salvation doesn't come from faith alone, that was added into the scriptures by Martin Luther, and has turned modern Christianity into a mockery, that asks us to do nothing, just accept, trust and believe in the provision provided, however are you all sure of this? I thought I was until, I found out the church I was attending was leading all there into a false salvation, and a false gospel, I know many here may see me a hateful, and calling for a works gospel, but love doesn't rejoice in iniquity but in truth, and if you think you are saved by saying the Billy Graham prayer, and your church is teaching truth, then I beg of you to dig deep, and realize, Jesus didn't call us to confess and trust, He called us to repent, and obey!

Everything But the Truth!

You are standing on a foundation made of Straw. By the slick use of Language the ultimate ruse has been perpetrated on mankind and deeply ground into his physic. It concerns forgiveness of sins by God, better known as the ‘Atonement’ With a Vast majority of the people on earth in the so-called ‘Christian’ camp, this subject is of the utmost importance to their eternal well being.

Most Christians (of all the various groups) believe that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came to earth as a Man and died on the Cross ‘in their place’, to forgive the sins of the World. Whereas He made ‘Atonement’ for them and ‘IF’ they Trust and Receive His free Gift they are ‘Saved’ from the Wrath of God and destine for eternal paradise at the end. Thus this is the end to all their Preaching and Evangelism, throughout the entire world, regardless which group or Doctrinal System they are derived from.

The idea behind this ‘Atonement’ is based on a Substitution, Representation Model established firmly in ‘Reformed’ theology. Most of the Preaching however is very much simplified in the Pulpits at a human level so that it will appeal to the minds of the people. The more complicated issues of Doctrine are avoided to maintain an aura of Mystery about the things of God. Thereby a person need not understand the whole spectrum of theology behind it all, just ‘Accept’ it as Truth.

In this manner most Professing Christians are able to have a degree of assurance that God has genuinely forgiven their Sins and will take them to Heaven when they die; Although they remain vile sinners here on earth, hopelessly addicted to their base Nature (born into them) and unable to ever cease from sinning daily in thought, word and deed. Accordingly the ‘Representation’ aspect of their belief System supports this conclusion with flying colors! If Jesus Stands ‘in my Stead’ and suffers the Punishment I deserve what remains to be done? He has Done it all, in my place because I was ‘UNABLE’ to do it myself. My ‘TRUST’ seals the transaction and now God can no longer hold me accountable for my sins. (even though I continue in them.)

By design the ‘Christian’ Religion has set forth a VERY POOR example to the World for any real Moral uprightness in the people who profess it. And the reason is quit Simple. They have foolishly embraced a Massive Fallacy concerning the ATONEMENT! One that removes the guilt of their sin without actually removing the sin itself. Consequently the Jesus they believe in serves as a Representative ‘in their place’ NOT as an example to follow after. (1Pet2:21) The Condition of this supposed Salvation is founded on the ‘Not of Works’ mantra. So the Vast Majority of professed Christians trust in a God that requires nothing of them (but to believe) and will not hold them accountable for their on going wrong doings. When pure common sense dictates to the human mind that everyone will Reap what they have sown. (Gal6:7-8)

Hence Logic is removed from the equation. People can hold to ANY System of Doctrine in the Christian religion as long as it is based on this fallacy. But the entire structure of this system comes crashing down on the interpretation of a simple ‘Preposition’ If my hope of Salvation is based on Jesus dying on the Cross ‘FOR’ me, Does that mean ‘in my place’, ‘instead of me’ OR ‘ON MY BEHALF’ ? Does it Matter which definition I believe in, on whether or not I’m really Saved from my sin? When it comes to True Redemption, it matters a GREAT deal!

Atonement founded on Substitution means that the retributive Justice of God has been poured out on Jesus instead of me. It also means (in most interpretations) that the Moral Righteousness and Obedience of Christ is transferred to me by faith. Once I trust in this arrangement there is Nothing to secure my own Obedience to God or motivate me to follow His example. Everything has been done ‘in advance’,. My sins, Past, Present and Future are ‘Done away’ on the Cross with Jesus. The only thing that changed is my Status with God who has now reconciled Himself to my sinful ‘Condition’. My Justification is secured in Christ and cannot be reversed.

However IF indeed the truth is that He died ‘ON MY BEHALF’ as an Offering for Sin, (as Christians believed for the first 1000 years of their existence) then the Retributive Justice of God has NOTHING to do with it. Therefore Redemption is based on a ‘Return to Favor’ on Condition of me forsaking my sins and obeying God. The entire process turns on a faith PROVEN by DEEDS, (Acts26:18-20) just as the Bible Says.

In Repentance I die with Christ (to sin) and my heart is made PURE by Faith Working by Love! Now I Obey God Cleansed, Purged and Scrubbed Clean of all my overflow of wickedness and defilement able to Receive with meekness the implanted Word that can Save my Soul. (Rom6:4-6, James1:21-23) I Come Sorrowing after the Mercy of God, CLEARED of my wrong doings by forsaking them and making restitution where necessary. Vehemently desiring in my heart to Obey Him with great zeal, presuming nothing and plead for Reconciliation. (This is the Model of Redemption set forth in the Bible! 2Cor7:10-11)

A FAR Cry from someone swapping places with me and Magically transferring the Virtue of Christ to my account. The Substitution Changes God by appeasing His Wrath (which is spent on Jesus) while Man remains unchanged still a ‘sinner’ by Nature. All Because of the faulty translation of a simple preposition, that common sense and logic show throughout the Scriptures that it is Something Done on one’s BEHALF NOT ‘in their place’. (Gal3:13) This is the reason people will jump through fiery hoops to Conjecturally prove their Doctrinal theories are true and that the Bible cannot be taken in a Literal sense especially when Obedience and Purity are involved. (1Tim1:5)

Think about it a moment. You believe that Jesus died on the Cross ‘in your place’ and took on Himself your sins and the penalty due them. If you TRUST in that, and perform whatever ritual the church you attend demands, you are Saved. The remainder of your new ‘Christian’ life is now relational whereas no further condemnation can befall you. That was taken care of on the Cross. Neat arrangement, BUT unfortunately it was invented in the Mind of man, not God.

On the other hand IF Jesus offered Himself ‘for my sin’ and became a Cruse on ‘my behalf’ (Gal3:13, 2Cor5:21) I now have the opportunity to approach God for Reconciliation, in Repentance and faith and plead for His Mercy. The heart change comes ‘in the process’ of my godly sorrow for sin. Therefore I TOUCH the Blood of Christ in reality and DIE ‘WITH’ Him by Example and become Truly Purified by Faith! (Heb9:14) A HUGE DIFFERENCE in the outcome, wouldn’t you say? In the Former I’m Cloaked and Covered in my sins. In the Latter I am Released from my bondage to sin and saved from its Corrupting influence. The Works of the Devil are Destroyed! (1John3:8)

Thus the True Meaning of Bible Redemption: ‘Release from bondage by Payment of Ransom!’ What Jesus did on the Cross was NOT take anyone’s place, BUT Provide Himself as an Offering to Ransom Man and turn him from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to God! Hence the ‘Works’ of the Devil are Destroyed and Man can be Restored to an upright heart. Now the Bible makes sense! DEEDS will be the deciding factor in your final Salvation, not some mystical Trust in an illusion. (Rom2:7-8, 1Pet1:17)

Professed Christians today are believing ‘Everything’ but the Truth. Simply because most of them have NEVER been exposed to the truth. It’s an unfortunate reality however that their belief Systems has a very Strong tendency to Silence their Conscience to the Convicting Power of the Holy Spirit. Thus when they do hear the Truth it cannot Cut them to the heart so that they would be motivated to Repent. When a person is convinced that some form of Doctrine is Correct, it is almost impossible to persuaded them otherwise. To them the Bible Supports their fallacies and absolves them from Obedience. Given that the Substitution Model provides the PERFECT excuse for Sin, there is NOT much of a chance many will escape its clutches and see the Light before their time is up.

If You Believe in God and Trust that Jesus is your Savior you NEED to get this Right! The Foundation on which you stand should be deeply rooted in the Truth. Don’t rely on someone else to Dig for you. (Luk6:46-49)

 
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Book of Kings ,,, huh ???

would that be 1st kings or 2ed kings ???

just asking
 

pickles

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Good posting!
Seek ye the Lord with your whole heart, then you shall see His face!

God bless:)
pickles
 

loveme1

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Amen

I must admit though, that i have a really hard time seeing the connection between loving God and fearing Him, as by my understanding of the words they cannot coexist.




I love and Fear..........


Did you fear your parents when you were young? did that stop you loving them?

I feared Yahweh God Almighty before i realised how much I loved him.

He sent his son Yeshua our Saviour for the price of sin, so that we could have eternal life.

He was so loving that even when Adam and Eve had ate the fruit, he made them clothes to keep them warm...


He is the most loving, most merciful, most righteous, most powerful, and I love him with all my heart and soul and I love Yeshua my Saviour with all my heart and soul.

But at the same time i fear upsetting him, for he is the good one, and i am nothing without him.
 
May 18, 2011
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YHVH says, "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the LORD."

It's not a fear of just being afraid of Him. For if we are living according to His Word through Yeshua, then we have nothing to fear. But a fear in the sense of reverance, knowing that He is Almighty, He is the One who will decide whether we enter His kingdom or not. He is the One who holds the winds in His fists, and threw the stars into place. He is YHVH Tz'vaot, (God of Hosts) EL Shaddai, (God Almighty) He is the One who gives life and takes life. What an awesome Yah we serve.
Baruch atah Hashem Adonai, Elohenu Molech HaOlam. Baruch atah Hashem Yeshua HaMashiach, Melech Ha Melechim.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I love and Fear..........


Did you fear your parents when you were young? did that stop you loving them?

I feared Yahweh God Almighty before i realised how much I loved him.

He sent his son Yeshua our Saviour for the price of sin, so that we could have eternal life.

He was so loving that even when Adam and Eve had ate the fruit, he made them clothes to keep them warm...


He is the most loving, most merciful, most righteous, most powerful, and I love him with all my heart and soul and I love Yeshua my Saviour with all my heart and soul.

But at the same time i fear upsetting him, for he is the good one, and i am nothing without him.
No, I respected my parents, but I nevr ever feared them.

and fear of upsetting someone is not the same as fearing them. (I would not want to upset my friends, but I sure don't fear them)
 

pickles

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YHVH says, "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the LORD."

It's not a fear of just being afraid of Him. For if we are living according to His Word through Yeshua, then we have nothing to fear. But a fear in the sense of reverance, knowing that He is Almighty, He is the One who will decide whether we enter His kingdom or not. He is the One who holds the winds in His fists, and threw the stars into place. He is YHVH Tz'vaot, (God of Hosts) EL Shaddai, (God Almighty) He is the One who gives life and takes life. What an awesome Yah we serve.
Baruch atah Hashem Adonai, Elohenu Molech HaOlam. Baruch atah Hashem Yeshua HaMashiach, Melech Ha Melechim.
Well said avinu,
Ive been trying to figure out how to say this, you spoke it so well.
Jesus said that He does not give as the world gives.
It is this that I considered when I was trying to understand the fear of God.
For the fear of my father had been rooted in abuse, so fearing God Our Father was difficult for me.
But Jesus has helped me to see God Our Father as He desires us to, and you put it into word easly understood.
I had always likened it to how one loves a lightening storm, not because of being hurt, but born of the power it holds and the wonder and delight of it's beauty.

God bless
pickles
 
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enochson

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Sorry but it aren't your heart anymore it belongs to Lord. I think it say you have been pay for wth a price.
 
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serving god with all our hearts has always been the biggest deal. just read the book of kings. every king was judged by how much they loved god. we are also judged by how much we love god.
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38] This is the great and first commandment. Matt 22:37-38 RSV
 
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Laodicea

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John 14:15
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Exodus 20:6
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.