Many are called but few are chosen

[ForestGreenCook]

Since God desires the salvation of all humanity, and since Christ died for the sins of the whole world, if God were choosing people for salvation, He would save absolutely everyone. But because God demands and commands obedience to the Gospel, it means that every person who hears or reads the Gospel must make a decision and a choice.

To say that God chooses some for salvation and others for damnation is a damnable doctrine. That is a distortion of the meaning of predestination and divine election. Yet a huge number of Christians believe and promote this nonsense.

Yes, it is by your choice to teach a false doctrine of eternal deliverance by works, taking credit, praise, and glory away from God and giving it to mankind.

 

[Dirtman]

And receive the same abuse you've afforded already when others already have? No. You can only be let to behave against Christians as you do if we give you leave.

I won't.

Where have I abused anyone?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Abraham, Jacob, Caleb, David, Stephan and the apostles all show and demonstrate something about those that God chooses.

It's a lineup of the talent and picking teams. EVERY time God chooses the last one picked to be his "Chosen".
The guy or girl that nobody recognizes as being leadership material. They aren't the theologically astute or smart. They aren't the physically strongest or fastest....
They are the ones that nobody wants. The ones forgotten about. The last picks for the team that everyone thinks they are going to carry their water for them.

These are the ones that God picks for his Chosen.

God choose a people before the foundation of the world, (Eph 1:4) because, by his foreknowledge, he saw that no one would seek him, no, not one.(Psalms 53:1-3). A portion of these are who he choose and gave them to Jesus to adopt as his children (Eph 1:5).

 

[Bluesproverb]

Free will, you betcha!!!!!!!!!!! God didn't create us in the image of robots. Every day of our lives we'll be faced with choices, God's way or Satan's way, life or death, salvation or damnation. When we make these choices keep your eyes open and your mind clear. When we makeyour decisions, reach out your hand for what you choose and know for sure that 'what you choose' is what you'll receive.

Robot's? Wrong faith. We are Christians and God is wholly Sovereign.Prophecy informs you God predetermined all things.
Even our Salvation. No one can choose to come to Jesus until the father leads them. John 6.


“I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Let him declare and lay out before me
what has happened since I established my ancient people,
and what is yet to come—
yes, let them foretell what will come.
Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?”
(Isaiah 44:6–8)


Proverbs 16:9
The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.


Proverbs 16:33
The dice are thrown into the lap, but their every decision is from the LORD.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Before God makes any for destruction, He gives them all ample opportunities to repent. Consider Nineveh when Jonah was reluctant to go there. So it is only after men harden their hearts repeatedly that God hardens their hearts, as evident in God's dealings with Pharaoh when told to release the Israelites. So this matter of making some for destruction has also been distorted to fit the narrative of the Calvinistic crowd.

The difference between the unregenerate and the regenerate is that the unregenerate person has a heart of stone, that cannot be pricked to feel quilt, and the regenerate person God has changed his stony heart to a heart of flesh that can be pricked to feel guilt.(Esk 11:19).

Nineveh would never have repented, had God not already changed their heart in the new birth.

You can witness the different reactions between the regenerate and unregenerate when they are accused of crucifying Christ; In Acts 2:37, the regenerate people responded by saying "men and brethren, what must we do". In Acts 7:54, After hearing the same sermon from Steven that Peter preached, the unregenerate persons, gnashed on Steven with their teeth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I have a loaded question and I’m going to respond to your answer. Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, yes or no?

Yes! But my choice to accept him as such was after he died for me, and after I was born into this world, and then was quickened to a new spiritual life by God's sovereign grace, without any action on my part.

Only the regenerate person will accept Jesus as their Savior. The unregenerate person cannot understand the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness. (1 Cor 2:14).

 

[JohnDB]

God choose a people before the foundation of the world, (Eph 1:4) because, by his foreknowledge, he saw that no one would seek him, no, not one.(Psalms 53:1-3). A portion of these are who he choose and gave them to Jesus to adopt as his children (Eph 1:5).

That's Calvinism trying to twist this verse into saying what it does not say or is about. Look at the context of the story surrounding it. The Apostles were all leaders....the guy who asked/informed Jesus that he wanted to become an apostle was rejected by Jesus to be a leader. There were many believers but only 12 leaders.

 

[Snacks]

Yes! But my choice to accept him as such was after he died for me, and after I was born into this world, and then was quickened to a new spiritual life by God's sovereign grace, without any action on my part.

Only the regenerate person will accept Jesus as their Savior. The unregenerate person cannot understand the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness. (1 Cor 2:14).

Like you, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, so why is it that you and I, cleansed by the blood of Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit, have opposing beliefs regarding Jesus dying for the whole world as opposed to Him dying for only a few select people?

I ask this because God is not the author of confusion. Please understand, I’m not trying to pigeonhole you or have a “gotcha moment”. I’m simply trying to gain understanding of it all.

 

[Bluesproverb]

They have the eyes to see but they do not see. Because they are blinded by their hatred and loathing for Calvinism.

They have the mind but they do not perceive, scripture itself.

Because of their hatred and loathing for Calvinism.

The prophecy of God, all those prophecies, are proof God has predetermined events. Predestined those future occurrences.

God is wholly Sovereign. And has told us, in the old and the new, that he saves whom he wills.
Those who don't believe that are unbelievers.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Like you, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, so why is it that you and I, cleansed by the blood of Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit, have opposing beliefs regarding Jesus dying for the whole world as opposed to Him dying for only a few select people?

I ask this because God is not the author of confusion. Please understand, I’m not trying to pigeonhole you or have a “gotcha moment”. I’m simply trying to gain understanding of it all.

If you are of the Elect of God, why would you question how you arrived there?

God wrote the Lamb's Book of Eternal Life before he created the world.

The context surrounding God's predetermination of whom he would save would then pertain to the context of the world's people whom he would predestined to become his saved.

Jesus, in delivering the Gospel did so speaking in parables.

Why?

He tells you.

When Jesus ministering the good news of salvation tells us it is done in a way so that not all would understand and come to repentance and Salvation, how does one then claim Jesus Gospel is meant to speak to all? That they may choose to hear and be saved.

 

[Snacks]

If you are of the Elect of God, why would you question how you arrived there?

God wrote the Lamb's Book of Eternal Life before he created the world.

The context surrounding God's predetermination of whom he would save would then pertain to the context of the world's people whom he would predestined to become his saved.

Jesus, in delivering the Gospel did so speaking in parables.

Why?

He tells you.

When Jesus ministering the good news of salvation tells us it is done in a way so that not all would understand and come to repentance and Salvation, how does one then claim Jesus Gospel is meant to speak to all? That they may choose to hear and be saved.

Jesus’ Gospel is provided for all to hear in that Jesus Himself says He died for the whole world but sadly and obviously many reject the Gospel.

Scripture also teaches that God is love. God creating people and giving them no chance at salvation is not loving. What is loving is not creating them in the first place.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Jesus’ Gospel is provided for all to hear in that Jesus Himself says He died for the whole world but sadly and obviously many reject the Gospel.

Scripture also teaches that God is love. God creating people and giving them no chance at salvation is not loving. What is loving is not creating them in the first place.

God created people for his day of wrath.

Romans 9, God has mercy on whom he will and hardens whom he will.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Like you, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, so why is it that you and I, cleansed by the blood of Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit, have opposing beliefs regarding Jesus dying for the whole world as opposed to Him dying for only a few select people?

I ask this because God is not the author of confusion. Please understand, I’m not trying to pigeonhole you or have a “gotcha moment”. I’m simply trying to gain understanding of it all.

I also am interested in gleaning the truth within the scriptures with the understanding that all of the scriptures must harmonize with each other.

John 6:39 states that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave to him, and further states that he would not lose any of them, but raise them up at the last day.

If you disagree with this, I would like to know your interpretation of this scripture, in order that we might reach a mutual agreement.

 

[kaylagrl]

It's disrespectful and snide.
The worst personality type will then accuse the one they insult of choosing to be insulted by the words the offender chooses to use as weapons.
Take what they're showing you as proof of Jesus warning you they are there.
There are many here.

No, it wasn't. The poster chose to take offense, I was the one they came against and I know what my intent was.

 

[Snacks]

I also am interested in gleaning the truth within the scriptures with the understanding that all of the scriptures must harmonize with each other.

John 6:39 states that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave to him, and further states that he would not lose any of them, but raise them up at the last day.

If you disagree with this, I would like to know your interpretation of this scripture, in order that we might reach a mutual agreement.

Scripture doesn’t state that Jesus ONLY died for those that the Father gave Him, it states that He shall lose none whom the Father has given Him. Big difference.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

They have the eyes to see but they do not see. Because they are blinded by their hatred and loathing for Calvinism.

They have the mind but they do not perceive, scripture itself.

Because of their hatred and loathing for Calvinism.

The prophecy of God, all those prophecies, are proof God has predetermined events. Predestined those future occurrences.

God is wholly Sovereign. And has told us, in the old and the new, that he saves whom he wills.
Those who don't believe that are unbelievers.

Ephesians 1:13 actually explains who the predestined before the foundation of the Earth are

13: in whom you also trusted, having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having believed, you were sealed with the Spirit of promise, the Holy,

it's those who HAVE HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION, [[((AND))]] HAVE BELIEVED!!

so there are more who also hear and were also predestined [[((WHO REFUSED AND DENIED THE CALLING OF GOD))]]

this is why Calvinism is dangerous. if you believe only a select are Chosen you won't do as Jesus Commanded and be a Witness and make Disciples and Baptizing them.

the Church i attended when i was in my teens set up a booth at the mall promoting Jesus and the need for Him. 2 prominent Baptist preachers approached me, knew me because of my Dad and Grandfather, and told me i was wasting my time. there's only a few saved and the rest are fuel for the fires of Hell. to which i answered back with Matthew 7:
21 Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but he that does the will of my Father who is in the heavens.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

 

[Snacks]

God created people for his day of wrath.

Romans 9, God has mercy on whom he will and hardens whom he will.

That is diametrically opposed to the very words in Scripture that God is love.

 

[Bluesproverb]

That is diametrically opposed to the very words in Scripture that God is love.

Is it?
Is the deluge diametrically opposed? Sodom & Gomorrah, all those killed in scripture by God's will? Including the children to whom he sent bears for making fun of his prophet?

 

[Bluesproverb]

Ephesians 1:13 actually explains who the predestined before the foundation of the Earth are

13: in whom you also trusted, having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having believed, you were sealed with the Spirit of promise, the Holy,

it's those who HAVE HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION, [[((AND))]] HAVE BELIEVED!!

so there are more who also hear and were also predestined [[((WHO REFUSED AND DENIED THE CALLING OF GOD))]]

this is why Calvinism is dangerous. if you believe only a select are Chosen you won't do as Jesus Commanded and be a Witness and make Disciples and Baptizing them.

the Church i attended when i was in my teens set up a booth at the mall promoting Jesus and the need for Him. 2 prominent Baptist preachers approached me, knew me because of my Dad and Grandfather, and told me i was wasting my time. there's only a few saved and the rest are fuel for the fires of Hell. to which i answered back with Matthew 7:
21 Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but he that does the will of my Father who is in the heavens.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Thats why unbelievers see Calvinism and not the Bible.

 

[Snacks]

Is it?
Is the deluge diametrically opposed? Sodom & Gomorrah, all those killed in scripture by God's will? Including the children to whom he sent bears for making fun of his prophet?

If the people you mention were given the opportunity for salvation but they rebuked that opportunity then there is no diametrical problem of God destroying them.