Many still ask's, is Sin Serious?

BibleGuy · May 29, 2016

redeemed2014 said:

Hi Redeemed2014,

Thanks for your comments...

You wrote: "Where do you get that it is faith to the Torah?"

My response: Rom. 10:8 QUOTES Dt. 30:14! That's where.

Read Dt. 30:10-14...you'll see that this passage is clearly discussing obedience to the Torah of Moses.

AND, Paul quotes this passage directly in Rom. 10:8, claiming that this faithful Torah-obedience IS the word of faith which Paul preaches.

You see, faithful Torah-obedience requires faithful acceptance of Dt. 18:15 (a prophecy regarding the coming Messiah).

AND, Dt. 18:15 confirms that the Messiah is like unto Moses...thereby confirming that the Messiah ALSO teaches and obeys Torah (like Moses also taught and obeyed).

So, faithful Torah-obedience leads us straight to acceptance of the Messiah who, in turn, points us straight to the Torah as the word which sanctifies us (Jn. 17:17)...the word by which we live (Mt. 4:4, citing Dt. 8:3, referencing Torah).

Torah and Paul's Gospel of faith in Messiah go hand-in-hand.

Sure...the word of faith which Paul preached ALSO included confession with our mouth that Jesus is our Lord.

But, if Jesus is our Lord, then we OBEY His commands...and Jesus commanded Torah-obedience! (Mt. 5:17-20).

So again, Torah and Paul's Gospel go hand-in-hand.

Are we saved by faithless Torah-obedience? Of course not.

AFTER we are saved, are we sanctified through Torah? Yes! That's what Jesus prayed for (Jn. 17:17).

You wrote: "Also Romans 2:26 the context of the verses is that the Jew knowing the law is only condemned by the law, Romans 2:1 the first word is therefore. So it is a continuation of Romans Chapter 1 which is telling the gentiles that they also are sinners because of the law."

My response: Romans 2:26 does not state that the Jew knowing the law is only condemned by the law. Read it again...Rom. 2:26 has Paul stating that uncircumcised Gentiles who obey the law are considered circumcised in heart.

AND, the "circumcision of heart" metaphor refers to people who OBEY Torah (Dt. 10:16; 30:6; Jer. 4:4).

So, Romans 2:26 has Paul stating that uncircumcised Gentiles properly obey Torah with circumcised hearts.

Don't be surprised! Paul likewise told the Gentile-inclusive Corinthian assembly to KEEP God's commands (1 Cor. 7:19).

Where are God's commands found? The Torah of Moses! (1 Ki. 2:3).

So, it's clear you need to revisit your apparent misinterpretation of Rom. 2:26.

You wrote: "Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

My response: Yes...but Paul also said that those who do the law will be justified (Rom. 2:13).

AND, Paul's term for faith (Gr. "pistis", Gal. 3:11) is the Hebrew term "emunah" (Hab. 2:4 quoted in Gal. 3:11).

And what is this way of "emunah" by which Paul says we live? TORAH! (see "emunah" in Ps. 119:30,86,138).

That's why Paul took a vow to prove his Torah-obedience (Ac. 21). AND, Paul expects us to imitate that Torah-obedience (1 Cor. 11:1; Php. 4:9).

You wrote: "Grace does not give us a license to sin..."

My response: And what is sin? Torah-disobedience! (Rom. 3:20; 7:7; 1 Jn. 3:4). Therefore, we should NOT sin (Rom. 6:15). Therefore, we should NOT disobey Torah. Therefore, we should obey Torah. Right?

You wrote: "...the law was only to condemn us of sin."

My response: No! The law also shows us how to perform works of righteousness (Dt. 6:25). Remember, Jesus applied Dt. 6 to you (Mt. 22:37).

And HOW do we express this love for God? Through obedience to God's commands (Dt. 6:25), just as Jesus commanded.

John agrees (1 Jn. 5:3).

Remember, our Torah-teaching and Torah-obedience determines our position in the coming kingdom (Mt. 5:19).

So, let's stop acting like it no longer applies to us...

Let's obey in faith!

blessings...
Bibleguy

redeemed2014 · May 29, 2016

BibleGuy said:

The book of 1 Corinthians was wrote because they were being carnal Christians living after the flesh. We establish the law through faith and love.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

You fulfill the law by love because you cant covet against somebody if you love them or steal from them, commit adultery with them, lie to them or about them, etc.

We are to live our lives after the spirit and not the flesh. The flesh is contrary to Gods Law. We are not condemned if we break the law we are all sinners (multiple passages can post them if need be). Our sins/breaking the law was taken care of by the death, burial, and resurrection.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Yes the law applies to us in a sense that it is profitable doctrine for our reproof, our correction, and our instruction in righteousness. But our righteousness can not save us. God is not a respecter of persons, and our righeousnesses are as filthy rags spoken of by Daniel. We cannot work our way into heaven. Our works come by faith not the other way around, we cannot work our way into heaven because i guarantee much like me, you have broken a law of God today as did everybody else. We can follow the whole law and try to find a goat to sacrifice or we can rely on the work of the cross, the death burial and Resurrection of our dear Lord. Who was that perfect sacrifice not to cover our sins but to abolish them so we are not longer worthy of death or eternal separation from God. We are children of Adam if we are relying on the law to get us to heaven we have failed.

Comomol · May 29, 2016

Yes, sin is very serious! I have noticed that many people including Christians do not fear God, and continue to willfully sin. Why do so many people now days not fear the Lord when they sin that God who blew the breath of life into man can also snuff it out. At any moment we could be standing before an almighty God wishing we had not sinned. I see so many Christians willfully sinning over and over again. Sometimes I want to just scream repent, repent, repent everyone for the kingdom of God is at hand. Cleanse your heart daily...repent!! The heart is deceitful above all things. Every single time we sin we need to repent with a true heart of repentance. Not just lip service as God knows our heart. When I was younger I used to see people go to one another, and confess their sins. Seems like the conscious of man is waxing cold to sin. My heart is so grieved to see this, but how much more God's heart must be grieved.

BibleGuy · May 29, 2016

redeemed2014 said:

Hi again,

Lots of awesome points....thank you!

Only two points I saw worth bringing out here for additional emphasis/correction.

You wrote: "...the law...is profitable for our instruction in righteousness..."

My response: Yes! That's why we must do TORAH-OBEDIENT works of righteousness, not TORAH-DISOBEDIENT works.

Sounds like maybe we agree now that we should obey Torah?

But then you wrote: "We can follow the whole law and try to find a goat to sacrifice or we can rely on the work of the cross..."

My response: Why force the choice between one or the other?

We will do both!

Many priests became faithful disciples of Messiah (Ac. 6:7), but they were still priests! They continued to function as priests in the temple, complete with sacrifices and all.

Paul even participated in ceremonial/sacrificial activity (Ac. 21)...we should imitate that Pauline model of submission to ceremonial/sacrificial activity, where and when possible (1 Cor. 11:1; Php. 4:9).

The Old Covenant was ready (Heb. 8:13, "engoos") to pass away as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of the book of Hebrews...thereby confirming that Old Covenant Torah functions even in the New-Covenant-era.

Moses guarantees our return to the land in obedience to ALL Torah commands (Dt. 30:1-8), and that includes Levitical/sacrificial/ceremonial activity.

Zechariah guarantees the GLOBAL requirement to send representatives to Israel to participate in the sacrifice-laden feast of Succot (Zec. 14:16-21).

Jeremiah guarantees that fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant will include restoration of Levitical sacrifices (Jer. 33:17-22).

Isaiah also guarantees (Is. 66:21-23) that Levitical sacrifices will be restored in the future.

Ezekiel also guarantees extensive restoration of Levitical sacrificial/ceremonial activity in the future (Eze. 40-47).

Jesus comes to RESTORE (not replace!) the Levitical sacrificial system so that it will again be pleasing to YHVH as it was in former years (Mal. 3:1-4).

John concurs that Levitical priestly activity will be evident throughout the Millennium (Rev. 20:5-6).

There is no good reason to force a choice between Levitical sacrificial activity and the "work of the cross".

CONCLUSION: Why force a choice between Levitical sacrificial activity and the "work of the cross"...when the prophets guarantee that both will function simultaneously?

blessings...
Bibleguy

JGIG · May 29, 2016

JGIG said:

BibleGuy said:

Thank you for clarification about what you believe.

But your answer about the High Priesthood is incomplete. You mention the order of Melchizedek, but don't mention the Tribe Jesus belongs to.

You of course, with your level of Bible study, know that Christ Jesus is of the Tribe of Judah.

Which presents some problems for the sacrificial system which you are so gleefully are looking forward to.

Scripture tells us that Christ is the Perfect, FOREVER High Priest, appointed by an oath from God.

Christ's High Priesthood is not going away.

The letter to the Hebrews tells us that the Tribe of Judah cannot legally serve in the Old Covenant - New Priesthood, New Law (Heb. 7-10).

Please explain to us how the Levitical and the High Priesthood of Christ will simultaneously exist.

Please explain to us Christ's role in the system you assert.

Please explain to us using contextual Scripture why you think God will accept animal and other sacrifices in light of Christ's Perfect, Once for all, sacrifice. What is still needed to make folks acceptable before God? Remember - use CONTEXTUAL Scripture which takes into account the Work of Christ.

BibleGuy said:

How is operating in an obsolete covenant serving God in 'greater fullness', when the Scriptures are clear that the New Covenant is superior in every way to the Old Covenant?

'Greater fullness' - what does that mean, exactly? Please use Scripture.

BibleGuy said:

Perhaps sacrifices are coming back - indeed there are those who have a Temple ready to assemble, Levitical priestly garb ready to go, and Levites in line to serve in the Temple.

And if it happens, it will NOT be of God.

If sacrifices happen in a Temple in Jerusalem, it will be an absolute abomination to God, Who has rendered the sacrificial and Temple system obsolete in Christ, making Him the Perfect, Permanent High Priest of the New Covenant, which is built on better promises (see the entirety of the letter to the Hebrews).

The New Covenant is a covenant of LIFE, not a covenant of DEATH (see 2 Cor. 3).

8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.”He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”

18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. (from Heb. 10)

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11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek,not in the order of Aaron?

12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.” (from Heb. 7)

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

Please explain to us how it's a good idea to bring back a weak and useless covenantal system when we have Christ, Who is the guarantor of a better covenant built on better promises.

-JGIG

Grace777x70 · May 29, 2016

Go to this post to see the scriptural truths of why we are not under any Old Covenant law keeping practices...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/136719-house-cornelius-law-2.html#post2637321

To go back to observing the law in any form is committing spiritual adultery as Romans 7:1-6 speaks about. We are released from the Law when we become joined to Christ. But love in us fulfills the law without even knowing what is in the law. Christ has fulfilled the whole law for us and so now we are in Him.

Let's not commit spiritual adultery on our Lord.

JGIG · May 29, 2016

BibleGuy said:

Quite a leap there, BG. Yeah . . . um, NO.

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (from 1 Tim. 1)

Scripture tells us that those in Christ are righteous in Him, therefore the Law is not for those in Christ:

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. (from Rom. 3)

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)

Indeed, if you are in Christ, you are dead to the Law:

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (from Rom. 7)

Hebrews was written before the destruction of the Temple, that's why the 'waxing old and ready to pass away' language is used. As for your "engoos" - where are you getting that word? It does not appear as any of the Greek words in Hebrews 8:13, nor can I find it as a Greek word at all in a general search. Please cite your source for "engoos".

As for sacrifices being carried out after the Work of Christ - there were about 40 years - one generation - where God allowed the Temple practices to continue while the Gospel went out. After that, He allowed the destruction of the Temple (no stone left upon another) - a very clear message that the Old had become obsolete and the New was now firmly in place.

Um, no.

That's your interpretation of those Scriptures.

All Scripture should now be viewed through the lens of the finished Work of Christ. His Perfect, Permanent, High Priesthood allows for NONE of what you're asserting.

Again, NO.

Hebrews 7 soundly refutes that notion:

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek,not in the order of Aaron?

12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant. (from Heb. 7)

God most certainly DID replace the Levitical priesthood, because perfection could not be attained through it or the Law, and God's standard is perfection. Perfection is attained when one comes into Christ, however (see Heb. 10 for this very Good News!).

Wow. Again, NO. That's not at all what that says. John is speaking of those in Christ, not of the Levitical priesthood or its 'priestly activity'.

Well, if you don't count the part where God installs Christ as a Priest Forever, from a DIFFERENT Tribe, ushering in the NEW Covenant which has NO MORE sacrifices because Christ was the PERFECT and FINAL and ONCE for ALL Sacrifice. If you leave all THAT out . . .

Levitical sacrificial activity after the Cross is an abomination to the Work of Christ and holding Him up to contempt, stating with the blood of bulls and goats that His Work wasn't enough.

No, BG, you are preaching a false gospel, and actual heresy according to the Scriptures.

-JGIG

BibleGuy · Jun 13, 2016

JGIG said:

Hello JGIG,

Just realized you answered me here...so I'll go ahead and respond.

You wrote: "Which presents some problems for the sacrificial system which you are so gleefully are looking forward to."

My response: What problems? Let's see what you've brought forth...

You wrote: "Scripture tells us that Christ is the Perfect, FOREVER High Priest, appointed by an oath from God."

My response: Great! That gives us no reason to suppose that Levitical sacrifices will not (or should not) be restored, just as the prophets (Is. 66; Jer. 33; Dt. 30; Eze. 40-47; Zec. 14; Mal. 3) guarantee they will (and SHOULD!) be restored.

You wrote: "The letter to the Hebrews tells us that the Tribe of Judah cannot legally serve in the Old Covenant - New Priesthood, New Law (Heb. 7-10)."

My response: What scripture, specifically? You haven't supported your position.

Furthermore, Heb. 8:13 PROVES Old Covenant AND New Covenant function SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Remember? The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to pass away, thereby confirming that it had NOT yet passed away as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of the book of Hebrews.

So, the very chapters you've referenced (i.e., Heb. 7-10), simply confirm my position, and disconfirm yours.

AND, Heb. 8:10 brings Torah straight into the New Covenant! So let's not pretend that Levitical Torah is somehow inapplicable in the New Covenant, when Heb. 8:10 FLATLY contradicts such a claim. (remember? "TORAH", Jer. 31:33).

You wrote: "Christ's High Priesthood is not going away."

My response: Great! And Levitical Torah can function simultaneously! After all, the Messiah comes to RESTORE Levitical Torah so that the Torah offerings may be pleasing to YHVH as in the days of old as in former years (Mal. 3:1-4).

Do you now stand opposed to this Levitical-Torah-Restoration purpose of our Messiah?

Yikes! You REALLY need to revise your position.

You wrote: "The letter to the Hebrews tells us that the Tribe of Judah cannot legally serve in the Old Covenant - New Priesthood, New Law (Heb. 7-10)."

My response: I never said that those of JUDAH will be performing the sacrifices which those of LEVI are commaned (in Torah) to perform. So what's the problem?

You wrote: "Please explain to us how the Levitical and the High Priesthood of Christ will simultaneously exist."

My response: Please explain why you think the Melchizedek and Levitical priesthoods can not simultaneously function! After all, the Melchizedek priesthood existed since BEFORE Levitical Torah was instituted...and it CONCURRENTLY existed throughout the time of Moses and beyond...even to today.

So again, there's your proof that they both function simultaneously.

You wrote: "Please explain to us Christ's role in the system you assert."

My response: Christ comes to RESTORE Levitical Torah (Mal. 3:1-4). I never said that Christ will be personally doing what only the Levites shall be doing in that system He comes to restore.

AND, Christ comes to REBUILD the temple (Zec. 6:12-13). Guess what happens in the temple? Torah! Yes...even LEVITICAL Torah (even though your mistaken theology apparently prevents you from accepting this right now.)

You wrote: "Please explain to us using contextual Scripture why you think God will accept animal and other sacrifices in light of Christ's Perfect, Once for all, sacrifice. What is still needed to make folks acceptable before God? Remember - use CONTEXTUAL Scripture which takes into account the Work of Christ."

My response: Why assume any contextual Scripture OPPOSES the restoration of sacrifices in light of the Scriptures I've already cited?

I already showed that the Messiah comes to restore Levitical Torah (Mal. 3:1-4).

Remember Dt. 30:1-8? We repent, we return to the land, and then we again obey 100% of Torah (per Moses' prophecy). Do you stand opposed to this prophecy too?

Zec. 14 ---> A FUTURE prophecy, where representatives from all nations come to participate in the sacrifice-laden SUKKOT.

Eze. 40-47 ---> A FUTURE prophecy with LOADS of Levitical-ceremonial-sacrificial activity.

Jer. 33 ---> A FUTURE prophecy regarding the greater forthcoming fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant, which is GUARANTEED to be accompanied by LEVITICAL restoration!

Is. 66 ---> A FUTURE prophecy guaranteeing Levitical priesthood restoration.

Mal. 3 ---> A prophecy proving the Messiah's Levitical RESTORATION PURPOSE (which you evidently oppose).

Do you REALLY want to be opposing all these prophets?

Sure, Christ's perfect once-for-all sacrifice is awesome!

And, that's what makes us permanently acceptable before God.

But that's no excuse to ignore the prophets which PROMISE that even our Messiah plays a role in Levitical sacrificial Torah restoration.

Now YOU need to explain to us why you oppose all these prophets...right?

You wrote: "How is operating in an obsolete covenant serving God in 'greater fullness', when the Scriptures are clear that the New Covenant is superior in every way to the Old Covenant?"

My response: Sure, the New Covenant is superior...but that doesn't prove they can't (or won't) both simultaneously function.

Moreoever, I already showed you that the Old Covenant is "obsolete", but NOT yet passed away. (Remember Heb. 8:13?)

And how is Levitical-sacrificial-restoration a "greater fullness"?

Well obviously, we presently can not obey 100% of Torah (because Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled). SO, when Dt. 30:1-8 is finally fulfilled, THEN we will again obey ALL Torah. ("ALL" is a greater fullness than "some"...hence the "greater fullness" which is forthcoming.)

You wrote: "Perhaps sacrifices are coming back - indeed there are those who have a Temple ready to assemble, Levitical priestly garb ready to go, and Levites in line to serve in the Temple.

And if it happens, it will NOT be of God."

My response: It is of God AND of the Messiah! (as I've shown).

Please engage my objections here...or else revise your position which I've now shown to be FLATLY opposed to the prophets.

You wrote: "If sacrifices happen in a Temple in Jerusalem, it will be an absolute abomination to God, Who has rendered the sacrificial and Temple system obsolete in Christ, making Him the Perfect, Permanent High Priest of the New Covenant, which is built on better promises (see the entirety of the letter to the Hebrews)."

My response: To the contrary, WHEN sacrifices happen again (according to the prophets who guarantee it!), it will be GOOD! It will be an expression of our repentance, and having FULLY turned to God (Dt. 30:1-8).

It will occur in conjunction with fulfillment of the Abrahamic land-promise (Dt. 6:10,25), in which we share an inheritance.

So, your reading of Hebrews fails to account for the Scriptural objections I've raised against it.

Please change your position to come into alignment with Scripture.

You wrote: "Please explain to us how it's a good idea to bring back a weak and useless covenantal system when we have Christ, Who is the guarantor of a better covenant built on better promises."

My response: Why assume it's NOT a good idea to restore what Christ comes to restore (Mal. 3:1-4) in fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant (Dt. 6:10,25), and the Davidic Covenant (Jer. 33:15-22), and the Mosaic Covenant (Dt. 30:1-8)?

Sure, the New Covenant is better than the Old. But that's no excuse to ignore the prophets.

Now...WHY does God do this? Ask Him! I won't pretend to understand WHY God always does what He does...after all His ways are ABOVE ours....(Is. 55:9; Rom. 11:33).

blessings...
BibleGuy

mpaper345 · Jun 19, 2016

BibleGuy said:

BibleGuy you are right,the Hebrews will go back to animal sacrifices,but it does not come from God,but it comes from the Hebrews not accepting the New Testament covenant.

The man of sin will confirm a covenant for 7 years,and cause peace in the Middle East,and Israel will go back to animal sacrifices,with no interference from the Palestinians.

In the middle of the 7 years period,he will step in to the Hebrews rebuilt temple,and claim to be God,and their Messiah.

The disciples asked Jesus when he was on earth if He was going to restore the kingdom to them,and Jesus said do not worry about it,for the Father will do it in due time,but go preach the Gospel,and all Israel shall be saved,which all Gentile governments will cease to operate,and Israel will be the only operating government in the millennial reign of Christ,which God said He is going to make a full end of all nations where He scattered the Hebrews,but will not make a full end of them,though they will not be wholly unpunished.

God will send two witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

But the Old Testament sacrifices,and physical ordinances do not apply anymore,for Jesus is our sacrifice,and Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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