Matthew 24:32

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I'm sorry, then I don't get the meaning of your original question. What I was originally speaking about was that JESUS says in Revelation that there are those who claim to be Jews but are not and do lie, but they are of the synagog of satan. My original point was, if they say they are Jews but are not and do lie, then who are they?

Elect one I am a jew as I have been grafted in and of the seed of Abraham by the blood of Christ.
 
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Elect one I am a jew as I have been grafted in and of the seed of Abraham by the blood of Christ.
I know that there are those that have been grafted in, but that is not my question. My question is that straight out JESUS says they are NOT Jews, that they DO lie and are of the synagog of satan. So, who are they?
 
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You want like my answer in fact you will hate it. They are the ones that taught law and not the freedom of the cross.
 
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You want like my answer in fact you will hate it. They are the ones that taught law and not the freedom of the cross.
Actually, that is not it. JESUS says that HE does not change one jot or tittle of the law. HE would not call someone that believes in GOD'S Law as being of the synagog of satan. HE calls them that because they are actually of the synagog of satan. They actually are not Jews but extremely close followers of satan. It's a very involved subject, but if you learn the parable of the fig tree which stretches from Genesis all the way through Revelation, you will know exactly who they are.
 

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Yahshua (Jesus) says:

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

So according to you and most of the people here it seems the teaching is "those who hear and obey his words are supposed to be evil"

I would find that odd if I did not understand/know Scripture:

It is written.

Revelation 12:17
English Standard Version
"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

It is written.

For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!


 
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Yahshua (Jesus) says:

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

So according to you and most of the people here it seems the teaching is "those who hear and obey his words are supposed to be evil"

I would find that odd if I did not understand/know Scripture:

It is written.

Revelation 12:17
English Standard Version
"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

It is written.

For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!


Those that Really hear and obey HIS WORDS are the very elect.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Notice that it says 'if' it were possible? The very elect cannot be deceived.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.


When did HE tell us all things?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 

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Those that Really hear and obey HIS WORDS are the very elect.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Notice that it says 'if' it were possible? The very elect cannot be deceived.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.


When did HE tell us all things?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Proverbs 16:9, "A man's mind plans his way, but Yahweh directs his steps."

Are you hinting at the "special" connection/guidance, I assume you have felt it as far back as you can remember?

Romans 8:29, "For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers."

Romans 8:29, New American Standard Bible
"For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;"

Romans 8:29, King James Bible
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Yahchanan (John) 17:21-24, "That they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me, I have given them; that they may be in unity, just as We are in unity. I in them, and You in Me--so that they may be made perfect in unity; and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them, as You have loved Me. Father, it is My will that they, whom You gave Me, also be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world."
 
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Proverbs 16:9, "A man's mind plans his way, but Yahweh directs his steps."

Are you hinting at the "special" connection/guidance, I assume you have felt it as far back as you can remember?

Romans 8:29, "For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers."

Romans 8:29, New American Standard Bible
"For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;"

Romans 8:29, King James Bible
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Yahchanan (John) 17:21-24, "That they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me, I have given them; that they may be in unity, just as We are in unity. I in them, and You in Me--so that they may be made perfect in unity; and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them, as You have loved Me. Father, it is My will that they, whom You gave Me, also be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world."
Yes, the most important thing though is that there are many elect out there and it's our job to find them so that they will be ready. I'm sure that it will happen according to GOD'S Plan, but we still have to do the work. Each case may be different, but the job is still the same. They need to be ready to be delivered up for a testimony against satan. They need the Seal Of GOD in their foreheads. That happens at the fifth trump, which is where we are at right now.
 

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Yes, the most important thing though is that there are many elect out there and it's our job to find them so that they will be ready. I'm sure that it will happen according to GOD'S Plan, but we still have to do the work. Each case may be different, but the job is still the same. They need to be ready to be delivered up for a testimony against satan. They need the Seal Of GOD in their foreheads. That happens at the fifth trump, which is where we are at right now.
Yes we must be prepared and not distracted for as you say we are in amazing and serious times....

Reminds me of this, we don't want to fall after this same "ruined" and "useless" pattern

Yeremyah 13:1-10, "This is what Yahweh said to me: Go and buy yourself a linen belt, and put it around your waist, but do not put it in water. So I got a belt according to the word of Yahweh, and put it around my waist. And the word of Yahweh came to me the second time, saying: Take the belt you bought, which is around your waist, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a cleft in the rock. So I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as Yahweh commanded me. And it came to pass after many days that Yahweh said to me: Arise, go to the Euphrates, and get the belt I commanded you to hide there. Then I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the belt from the place where I had hidden it; and behold, the belt was ruined, unfit for use. Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying: This is what Yahweh says; After this manner I will ruin the pride of Yahdah (Judah) and the great pride of Yerusalem. This evil people, who refuse to listen to My words, who walk in the imagination of their heart; (following their own stubborn inclinations,) and walk after the hinder gods to serve them and worship them, will be just like this belt which is unfit for use."

but rather:

Timothy 3:15-17, "And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah. All Scripture is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of Yahweh may become perfect, thoroughly furnished for every righteous work."

John (Yahchanan 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
 
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The fig tree symbolically represents Israel but this parable is not about the fig tree, it's about the branch of the fig tree. My question to you is - What or who is the branch of Israel?

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Wine tree actually symbolize Israel, and fig tree may symbolize those outsiders who may have adopted their common wealth of faith and have become one people in worship.

This is based on this parables, that;

"A owner of a vineyard planted a fig tree in his vineyard. And for three years he came looking for fruits, and he saw they yield none, he ordered the gardener to chop it down, ............................................................."

And also JESUS cursed a fig tree when HE was hungry and tree had no fruit, even though it was off-season for fruits.

On the other hand, branches may symbolize tribes and clans of Israel, generation after generations.

Fig trees are common trees in Israel and many Jews know this tree well generation after generations. And they the 'ordinary people' who lived there can and predict seasons by noticing the condition of the branches. JESUS used the fig tree branches transformation in due seasons example, to explaining the changes of events that are going to take place in this world and by this world, as a sign to the churches to 'stay watch' and 'stay awake' of HIS soon return, for HIS words and practice called witnesses faithful ones, who will be watchfully waiting without stains for HIM..

Please take note what JESUS said from the beginning of chapter 24, before until HIS spoken parable of the fig tree. And here, may we consider that the fig tree and it's branches noticeable conditions, through seasons changes, actually symbolizes the earlier prediction of the LORD about the world's future happenings, it's fruits/events, that will take place first and also a sign, Christians not to be caught in surprise and for them to 'stay awake' and 'stay watch' and 'stand firm' on the 'rock' of Salvation sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge. They are to remain practicing these given New Covenant sound doctrine also in faith actions, no matter in these predicted times of reoccurring 'tribulations' and 'persecutions'.

And not become entangle and be conformed to the world and their pattern lives, remaining in carnality/fleshly passions, living to the necessities and pleasures of this life here on earth, furthering in ignorance to the given 'New Living sound Doctrine Covenant of GOD the FATHER' and fail to 'abide' in them.

Apostle Paul said in his epistle to the churches that;

"Every foundation will be tested with fire."

These 'tribulations and 'persecutions', are the 'rain', 'floods' and 'wind' that JESUS said will come and beat against 'every foundation/house', whether they are laid on the words and practices of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, who have impart in us the New Covenant sound doctrine knowledge to the 'present Jerusalem of Sarah' in order together 'abide' and bear fruits and also their fruit must 'abide' the same sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge and bear fruits, which are 'spirit' and 'life' for everyone who believe in HIM.

Please pray and take time to read that all of these that i have shared are Spiritually interconnected in the Holy Bible, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT. i believe that i have not been lead to deviate from the topic but explained thoroughly.

PRAISE, HONOR and GLORY be to our GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, forever and ever, Amen
 
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Elin said:
All fig trees in the Bible do not represent Israel, as this fig tree does not represent Israel,
while the fig tree he cursed in Mt 21:19 does represent Israel.

The fig tree of Mt 24:32 is not about branches, but is about reading signs for the times.

As you read the times by the fig tree branches, so read the times by the events given in Mt 24.
Hi Elin. The cursed fig tree was both literal and figurative. Jesus cursed a physical fig tree, and
he also cursed the spiritual fig tree Israel.
The fig tree is figurative, not spiritual in the NT sense of the word.

There is some confusion here.
All past historical events, such as cursing a tree, are literal, so that is irrelevant.
The only question is whether the event is figurative or analogous.

And that gets down to how the subject (fig tree) is used in the event.
In Mt 24:32 the subject is used analogously, as an analogy.

In Mt 21:19 the subject is used figuratively, as a figure.

How do we know that the same is not true of Mt 24:32?
It's a matter of grammatical construction.

The fig tree as a figure of Israel in Mt 21:19 would destroy the analogy.

The analogy there is between "reading" a fig tree for the season of summer
and "reading" events for the season of the second coming.

Mt 21:19 is a figure of Israel, while Mt 24:32 is an analogy of seasons.
 
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The fig tree is figurative, not spiritual in the NT sense of the word.

There is some confusion here.
All past historical events, such as cursing a tree, are literal, so that is irrelevant.
The only question is whether the event is figurative or analogous.

And that gets down to how the subject (fig tree) is used in the event.
In Mt 24:32 the subject is used analogously, as an analogy.

In Mt 21:19 the subject is used figuratively, as a figure.


It's a matter of grammatical construction.

The fig tree as a figure of Israel in Mt 21:19 would destroy the analogy.

The analogy there is between "reading" a fig tree for the season of summer
and "reading" events for the season of the second coming.

Mt 21:19 is a figure of Israel, while Mt 24:32 is an analogy of seasons.
I disagree because it's called the parable of the fig tee, not the analogy of the fig tree. There is a huge difference between a parable and an analogy. Parables use physical things to conceal the spiritual meaning. Look at all the other parables in the bible, none of them are analogies. That's why most people don't understand the parable of the fig tree.
 
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Elin said:
The fig tree is figurative, not spiritual in the NT sense of the word.

There is some confusion here.
All past historical events, such as cursing a tree, are literal, so that is irrelevant.
The only question is whether the event is figurative or analogous.

And that gets down to how the subject (fig tree) is used in the event.
In Mt 24:32 the subject is used analogously, as an analogy.

In Mt 21:19 the subject is used figuratively, as a figure.

It's a matter of grammatical construction.

The fig tree as a figure of Israel in Mt 21:19 would destroy the analogy.

The analogy there is between "reading" a fig tree for the season of summer
and "reading" events for the season of the second coming.

Mt 21:19 is a figure of Israel, while Mt 24:32 is an analogy of seasons.

I disagree because it's called the parable of the fig tee, not the analogy of the fig tree.
There is a huge difference between a parable and an analogy. Parables use physical things to conceal the spiritual meaning. Look at all the other parables in the bible, none of them are analogies. That's why most people don't understand the parable of the fig tree.[/QUOTE]
Parables are analogies.

"The kingdom of heaven is like. . ."
 
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did you know a fig tree bears fruit twice a year

Common fig trees (Ficus carica) offer an early crop of figs, grown on the prior season's growth.
This crop -- termed the "breba" crop -- usually plays second fiddle to the fig's fall crop both in quality and quantity of fruit.
 
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There is a huge difference between a parable and an analogy. Parables use physical things to conceal the spiritual meaning. Look at all the other parables in the bible, none of them are analogies. That's why most people don't understand the parable of the fig tree.
Parables are analogies.

"The kingdom of heaven is like. . ."[/QUOTE]


Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

This is a parable. The certain king is God, his son is Jesus. The ones bidden to the wedding were the Jews. The remnant are the Pharisees that murdered the prophets. The king sent his armies, the Romans and they destroyed the Pharisees and Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:32 is the same. When the branch (Jesus) of the fig tree (Israel) is yet tender (Jesus' earthly ministry Isa 53:2) and puts forth leaves (I don't know what that means), you know that summer ( harvest time) is near. I'm just saying that Matthew 24:32 has nothing to do with the return of Christ, it's about the harvest. There is so much in that verse that is completely opposite of what the mainline view is.
 
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Parables are analogies.

"The kingdom of heaven is like. . ."

Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

This is a parable. The certain king is God, his son is Jesus. The ones bidden to the wedding were the Jews. The remnant are the Pharisees that murdered the prophets. The king sent his armies, the Romans and they destroyed the Pharisees and Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:32 is the same. When the branch (Jesus) of the fig tree (Israel) is yet tender (Jesus' earthly ministry Isa 53:2) and puts forth leaves (I don't know what that means), you know that summer ( harvest time) is near. I'm just saying that Matthew 24:32 has nothing to do with the return of Christ, it's about the harvest. There is so much in that verse that is completely opposite of what the mainline view is.[/QUOTE]

As it is written JESUS prayed to the FATHER, after Himself witnessing the same that day, why there is a division in understanding and stubbornness and hardheadedness contentions even today, even in this forum. HIS prayer goes like this for us to understand their ignorance not to continue with HIM, that;

"Thank you FATHER, you hid these to the wise and prudent and showed it to the 'ordinary people'."

As 'ordinary people' taught by and being taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, even today, if you have the Spiritual Kingdom knowledge faith of the Holy Bible, 'unified' with mine and in recognition, do have faith in what you are guided to quote and explain, without doubt, are not obligated to continue with the wise and prudent's ignorant contentions. Because first of all they reject your taught and guided in 'service to others' confidence highlighted ones first. And how are they able to continue to the second, you are given in order to be 'built up'. If CHRIST able you, then go on ahead and don't be surprised about the outcome, but have comforting from the same knowledge 'truth', to encourage you to persevere ignorance.

Sadly these who remain in their traditional 'tradition based church' and also remain in their own 'self/carnal/flesh' based 'opinion' and 'understanding' of the Holy Bible and live as babes in CHRIST, only love the feeding of 'milk' to remain to their growth. They boldly continue generation after generations in the same environment drinking 'milk', where their acting leaders 'lock up' the meat from them and have control over them and depend only on them, as their 'pastors'. 'These acting leaders, sound doctrinally. supposedly are only 'brothers' in charge and are held accountable to the LORD of the New Covenant and according to them written 'every Word', don't get in themselves in 'meat' and they also stop others from getting them, even from others outside. These as time goes by, end up like the JESUS's day Pharisees, who actually conform to become the 'violent ones, who want to take the Kingdom of GOD by force'. They even chase out those believers who JESUS disturbs everyday in their peaceful lives, for them to stand up and speak up for HIM, in order to remind and stir up their memory regarding the established and written New Covenant and bring them in their thinking to the Kingdom order, again and again.

This in fact is the regeneration in the born again churches, in similarity, to what happened in the days and lives of the 'Reformers' and how the Catholic church operated and also dealt with them.

Sadly, both are sisters and have grieved the HOLY SPIRIT being 'lukewarm' and we are caught up in the middle of all these and are in confused cowardness and also grieving the HOLY SPIRIT being 'lukewarm' also.

Did JESUS, or the Apostles, nor the reformers continue to use persuasive methods for others to believe, like salesman's 'sales calls', the wisdom methods of this world, in order to win hearts and let them in on the deal? These are visible and opened to our eyes, clear deception of the one and the ones who disguises to deceive many to compromise, even from the beginning.

They have deviated from the New Covenant given by their own MASTER to 'abide', like the Israelite did after Moses and were punished time and time and again and again. HE who is assuredly coming back to judge the 'living'(Christians) and the 'dead'(the world), will on that day, once and for all, finally in obedience and to GOD the FATHER's will, punish such into the 'lake of fire', sparring not, especially 'hypocrite' and 'lukewarm' Christians.

There then on that day, try bragging to the LORD, one had did great ministries and brought in thousands and thousands into safety, for HIM here on earth and we know already by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in and through the written teachings, even today, in 'fear and trembling' ought to 'repent' and wise up, knowing today firsthand, what HIS reply would be?

JESUS said to satan and as it is written;

"Do not put to test the LORD thy GOD."

In the Old Testament, GOD always remember HIS written Covenant made with HIS redeemed people through Moses, who are called to 'abide' in them all, for security assurance to reach the future promised land here on earth.

Did everyone get there, HE questions?

GOD's character remain the same also in the New Testament and HE remembers HIS Covenant made with HIS redeemed people, through CHRIST HIS SON, who are called also to 'abide' in them all, for also security assurance to reach the future promised land there in Heaven.

Do everyone get there, HE questions?

The answer is already given in prophecy by JESUS Himself written in the New Covenant Gospel, that;

1. "The road that leads to the Kingdom of GOD is narrow and is very difficult to follow, where only 'a few' make it."

2. "Many are called (by Grace through faith, the gift of GOD), but only 'a few' are chosen (who 'abide' by the New Covenant, which is 'the narrow road' that the few persevered following)."

Is all Scripture coming together in sound doctrine knowledge"

Also;

"Workout your own Salvation (received by Grace through faith, the gift of GOD) in fear and trembling (to 'add' to your faith, 'abiding' by the New Covenant knowledge workouts of 'spirit' and 'life' teachings, to become as 'one' orderly citizen of Heaven)."

Upon only receiving OSAS promise of GOD written in the New Covenant, does that completes me while i reject the written others, as i would only go to church and and serve and do ministry like others?

'For a parable;

'Can a natural person who wants to go to a foreign land and only reads the map and handbook partially in believe, can he or she ever get there, even safely?

When further knowledge through the map and the handbook, continues to highlights 'workouts preparation to be practiced' beforehand for that journey, in order to be 'fully equipped' and 'fully trained' and persevere, during their journey, where there are robbers and thieves who are well versed and know about locals and foreigners, who eventually would come along their way, in their motives to 'deceive' and to 'rob, kill and destroy' whoever they can.'

That is why, only a few make it, who laid their foundation of faith on that 'rock of sound doctrine knowledge of the New Covenant' and were well prepared, able to persevere all things that and whom they meet, due to not turning to the left or right, but only focused and obedient to the already established map and handbook and it's given completed by the author Himself's instructions, in order for those who believe and follow HIS completed instructions, may finally meet this Good KING, who is the true ruler of them all.

As it is written;

"Those who have ears, let him listen and pay attention."
 
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The fig tree symbolically represents Israel but this parable is not about the fig tree, it's about the branch of the fig tree. My question to you is - What or who is the branch of Israel?

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
We must pay close attention here notice the Scriptures prior are speaking on the Sign of the Coming of the SON of MAN. As an example the Parable is showing us how we know when a season change by the change of the trees here the tree is a fig. Now Spiritually the TREE is CHRIST and the leaves are HIS followers. The Bible tells us no one knows not even JESUS when HIS return will be but in the Scriptures we are given signs ex: wars, rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, seasons very different then the norm times of Noah where people will do what pleases them and not GOD etc.. but GOD's elect, chosen people, remnant will remain focused on their MASTER, thus when the trumpet sounds the angels shall gather us up. This is a Glorious Time!!! :")

key read the whole chapter.

Blessings!!!!!!!
 
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"Thank you FATHER, you hid these to the wise and prudent and showed it to the 'ordinary people'."

As 'ordinary people' taught by and being taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, even today, if you have the Spiritual Kingdom knowledge faith of the Holy Bible, 'unified' with mine and in recognition, do have faith in what you are guided to quote and explain, without doubt, are not obligated to continue with the wise and prudent's ignorant contentions. Because first of all they reject your taught and guided in 'service to others' confidence highlighted ones first. And how are they able to continue to the second, you are given in order to be 'built up'. If CHRIST able you, then go on ahead and don't be surprised about the outcome, but have comforting from the same knowledge 'truth', to encourage you to persevere ignorance.

Sadly these who remain in their traditional 'tradition based church' and also remain in their own 'self/carnal/flesh' based 'opinion' and 'understanding' of the Holy Bible and live as babes in CHRIST, only love the feeding of 'milk' to remain to their growth. They boldly continue generation after generations in the same environment drinking 'milk', where their acting leaders 'lock up' the meat from them and have control over them and depend only on them, as their 'pastors'. 'These acting leaders, sound doctrinally. supposedly are only 'brothers' in charge and are held accountable to the LORD of the New Covenant and according to them written 'every Word', don't get in themselves in 'meat' and they also stop others from getting them, even from others outside. These as time goes by, end up like the JESUS's day Pharisees, who actually conform to become the 'violent ones, who want to take the Kingdom of GOD by force'. They even chase out those believers who JESUS disturbs everyday in their peaceful lives, for them to stand up and speak up for HIM, in order to remind and stir up their memory regarding the established and written New Covenant and bring them in their thinking to the Kingdom order, again and again.

This in fact is the regeneration in the born again churches, in similarity, to what happened in the days and lives of the 'Reformers' and how the Catholic church operated and also dealt with them.

Sadly, both are sisters and have grieved the HOLY SPIRIT being 'lukewarm' and we are caught up in the middle of all these and are in confused cowardness and also grieving the HOLY SPIRIT being 'lukewarm' also.

Did JESUS, or the Apostles, nor the reformers continue to use persuasive methods for others to believe, like salesman's 'sales calls', the wisdom methods of this world, in order to win hearts and let them in on the deal? These are visible and opened to our eyes, clear deception of the one and the ones who disguises to deceive many to compromise, even from the beginning.

They have deviated from the New Covenant given by their own MASTER to 'abide', like the Israelite did after Moses and were punished time and time and again and again. HE who is assuredly coming back to judge the 'living'(Christians) and the 'dead'(the world), will on that day, once and for all, finally in obedience and to GOD the FATHER's will, punish such into the 'lake of fire', sparring not, especially 'hypocrite' and 'lukewarm' Christians.

There then on that day, try bragging to the LORD, one had did great ministries and brought in thousands and thousands into safety, for HIM here on earth and we know already by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in and through the written teachings, even today, in 'fear and trembling' ought to 'repent' and wise up, knowing today firsthand, what HIS reply would be?

JESUS said to satan and as it is written;

"Do not put to test the LORD thy GOD."

In the Old Testament, GOD always remember HIS written Covenant made with HIS redeemed people through Moses, who are called to 'abide' in them all, for security assurance to reach the future promised land here on earth.

Did everyone get there, HE questions?

GOD's character remain the same also in the New Testament and HE remembers HIS Covenant made with HIS redeemed people, through CHRIST HIS SON, who are called also to 'abide' in them all, for also security assurance to reach the future promised land there in Heaven.

Do everyone get there, HE questions?

The answer is already given in prophecy by JESUS Himself written in the New Covenant Gospel, that;

1. "The road that leads to the Kingdom of GOD is narrow and is very difficult to follow, where only 'a few' make it."

2. "Many are called (by Grace through faith, the gift of GOD), but only 'a few' are chosen (who 'abide' by the New Covenant, which is 'the narrow road' that the few persevered following)."

Is all Scripture coming together in sound doctrine knowledge"

Also;

"Workout your own Salvation (received by Grace through faith, the gift of GOD) in fear and trembling (to 'add' to your faith, 'abiding' by the New Covenant knowledge workouts of 'spirit' and 'life' teachings, to become as 'one' orderly citizen of Heaven)."

Upon only receiving OSAS promise of GOD written in the New Covenant, does that completes me while i reject the written others, as i would only go to church and and serve and do ministry like others?

'For a parable;

'Can a natural person who wants to go to a foreign land and only reads the map and handbook partially in believe, can he or she ever get there, even safely?

When further knowledge through the map and the handbook, continues to highlights 'workouts preparation to be practiced' beforehand for that journey, in order to be 'fully equipped' and 'fully trained' and persevere, during their journey, where there are robbers and thieves who are well versed and know about locals and foreigners, who eventually would come along their way, in their motives to 'deceive' and to 'rob, kill and destroy' whoever they can.'

That is why, only a few make it, who laid their foundation of faith on that 'rock of sound doctrine knowledge of the New Covenant' and were well prepared, able to persevere all things that and whom they meet, due to not turning to the left or right, but only focused and obedient to the already established map and handbook and it's given completed by the author Himself's instructions, in order for those who believe and follow HIS completed instructions, may finally meet this Good KING, who is the true ruler of them all.

As it is written;

"Those who have ears, let him listen and pay attention."
Most of scripture is parables, it's the way God hides His word from the world... that's why there is so much division in the church.
 
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Elin said:
Parables are analogies.

"The kingdom of heaven is like. . ."
Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Mat 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
Mat 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Mat 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

This is a parable. The certain king is God, his son is Jesus. The ones bidden to the wedding were the Jews. The remnant are the Pharisees that murdered the prophets. The king sent his armies, the Romans and they destroyed the Pharisees and Jerusalem.
Yes, this parable is an analogy (comparison) of the kingdom of God with a king's wedding banquet.

Matthew 24:32 is the same. When the branch (Jesus) of the fig tree (Israel) is yet tender (Jesus' earthly ministry Isa 53:2) and puts forth leaves (I don't know what that means), you know that summer ( harvest time) is near. I'm just saying that Matthew 24:32 has nothing to do with the return of Christ,
it's about the harvest. There is so much in that verse that is completely opposite of what the mainline view is.
Christ's second coming will be the full harvest of the cross.

However, Jesus said the leaves were a sign of summer.
 
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Before you come to a conclusion on what the Lord is saying there, you must first look at all accounts in the other gospels.

First notice in Matthew and Mark we see the words "his branch" and then "her branch"

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mark 13:28
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

But also notice in Luke's account the mention of not only the fig tree, but also all trees.

Luke 21:29-30[SUP]29 [/SUP]And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

So this should tell you it is not gender specific, and it is not just speaking of the fig tree, but also all trees.