Matthew 7:21-23 "I never knew you."

[Dave-L]

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” Matthew 7:21–27 (KJV 1900)

The issue is living the Sermon on the Mount. "These sayings of mine". Many today reject the Sermon on the Mount saying it is for the Jews of the future and not for believers today. The Scofield reference bible actually says this. So this would place Dispensationalists under this condemnation.

Also, notice the profile of those whom Christ rejects. They have a Charismatic profile you do not see in the mainline churches. And most of these also embrace Dispensationalism. If my observation is true, many thinking they are saved today are not.

Both of these movements came into existence since the 1800s and are not part of historic Christianity.

 

[garee]

I'm new to this chat, but not to this verse. Looking forward to the discussion.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matthew 7:21-23 NIV)

I would offer .It is instructing us that God is not served by humans hands in any way shape or form .God can prophecy bringing the gospel using a unclean animal set aside as a ceremonial law to represent unconverted mankind to accomplish his good purpose. He did not say the many was not successful seeing the outcome is not based on the one who plants or waters but him not seen .He alone causes new life and growth . God looks upon the heart. he say those who have no faith. Away from me evil doers (natural unconverted man)

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

God doesn’t look at what your lips are saying, He looks at your heart. This is why the thief on the cross was saved that quick.

“For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also”

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

“it is impossible to give a divided allegiance”

 

[Runningman]

Matthew 5-7, also known as the Sermon on the Mount, is a list of behaviors that true disciples of Christ are expected to have.

By Matthew 5:17 Jesus says that he has not come to abolish the law, but fulfill. Then he proceeds to actually raise the bar on righteousness. Now adulterous desires of the heart are just as bad as physically doing it, now being angry with someone is just as bad as murdering them.

By Matthew 5:20 he says "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The rest of the Sermon on the Mount he tells the listeners how to not be like the scribes and the pharisees.

In summary, he's basically saying don't be a hypocrite seeking glory from people for being good. He emphasizes a relationship with God is a private thing.

By verse 7:13 he starts to conclude the Sermon by saying "enter in the narrow gate that leads to life." And we can deduce from the rest of the New Testament that the only gate that leads to life is faith in Christ.

So I think in order to really get to what Matthew 7:21-23 is saying, you have to look at the context. The people Jesus will say "depart from me, I never knew you." Are people who were using their religion as a fashion statement, a pretense to elevate their own status and social standing, just to enrich their own lives. These people were never serving the Lord so naturally there was never a relationship.

Law keeping, works, deeds, etc with the intent to please people is hollow. This is the broad gate that leads to destruction. Again, the narrow gate is a relationship with God the Father through faith in Christ.

 

[G2RBeliever]

Matthew 7:21............. but he that DOETH the WILL of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 12:50 " For WHOSOEVER shall do the WILL of my Father which is in heaven,the same IS my brother,and sister and mother. "

John 5:17-30 But Jesus answered them,My Father worketh hitherto,and I work.
THEREFORE the Jews sought the more to kill Him,because He had not only broken the sabbath,but said also that God was His Father,making Himself equal to God.
Then answered Jesus and said unto them,Verily,verily,I say unto you,The Son can do nothing of Himself,but what He seeth the Father do: for what things so ever He doeth,these also doeth the Son likewise.
For the Father loveth the Son,and sheweth Him all things that Himself doeth: and He will shew Him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
For as the Father raiseth up the dead,and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickened whom He will.
For the Father judgeth no man,but hath committed ALL judgment unto the Son:
That ALL men should honour the Son,even as they honour the Father. He that honoured not the Son honoureth not the Father which sent Him.
Verily,verily,I say unto you,He that HEARETH my word,and BELIEVETH on Him that sent hath everlasting life,and shall NOT come into condemnation; but IS passed from DEATH unto LIFE.
Verily,verily,I say unto you,the hour is coming,and now is when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they THAT HEAR shall live.
For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
And hath given Him AUTHORITY to execute judgment also, because He IS the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming,in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of LIFE;and they that have done evil,unto the resurrection of DAMNATION.
I can of mine own self DO NOTHING:as I hear,I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seem NOT MINE OWN WILL,BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER which hath sent me.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

These people were never serving the Lord so naturally there was never a relationship.

I disagree. The scriptures teaches us that there were Ten Virgins (all saved), however, Five stayed Wise (saved) and Five became unwise (lost their salvation). Jesus said in John 6:66 these words, "From that time many of His Disciples (saved) went back, and walked no more with Him (lost their salvation). The reason why Jesus says He never knew them is because the memory of the wicked is remembered no more. (Job 24:20, Proverbs 10:7)

 

[NOV25]

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[Jackson123]

Matthew 7:13-23 KJV

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Most would agree Jesus is speaking to Christians about true Christians and false Christians. As to how many in the world today, Lord only knows. But we could deduce from the comparative nature, the true and false, and the language used, the many and the few, that the false Christians may out number the true Christians. This observation seems reasonable not only today but even as we look back through church history all the way through the epistles.

Polys: many, much, most, large, mostly, largely...
Oligos: little, small, few...

Could we be so bold as to say majority and minority? If so, we could say that approximately 51% of professing Christians will hear those terrifying words, I never knew you.

The way Jesus say, It may less than 10%.
Jesus say Narrow is the gate, I don't know how Narrow
But in other ocassions Jesus say It is easier for camel enter to the eyes of the nedle than richman go to heaven.




Matthew 7:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[NOV25]

The way Jesus say, It may less than 10%.
Jesus say Narrow is the gate, I don't know how Narrow
But in other ocassions Jesus say It is easier for camel enter to the eyes of the nedle than richman go to heaven.




Matthew 7:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You could be right. 🤷‍♂️

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I disagree. The scriptures teaches us that there were Ten Virgins (all saved), however, Five stayed Wise (saved) and Five became unwise (lost their salvation). Jesus said in John 6:66 these words, "From that time many of His Disciples (saved) went back, and walked no more with Him (lost their salvation). The reason why Jesus says He never knew them is because the memory of the wicked is remembered no more. (Job 24:20, Proverbs 10:7)

I never knew you means that regardless of their religious activity, Christian disciplines, and lip service, they had know personal relationship with Him (the Believer must enter into sanctification to bear the fruit of Righteousness or that branch is cast into the fire). As I stated over and over, many Christians are proclaiming Christ while forsaking the Cross (Grace has stopped because of a form of godliness). Spiritual Adultery is a serious sin.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Bible study: Question for anyone?

Why did Jesus tell these people who thought they where Christians at the Great White Throne Judgement that their works in His Name is iniquity? The scripture says that they did what the scripture was telling them to do in Jesus name. But it was judged as iniquity; why? Something is wrong, despite their zeal.

Have we not _______ in Your Name? and in Your Name have ______? and in Your Name done many wonderful works?

What is the will of the Father?

Finally, why is His Way narrow and only a few find it? Matthew 7:13-14

 

[Jackson123]

Hello Jackson123!

Just fyi, that judgment that you listed above is not the last judgment, but is in reference to the sheep and the goat judgment which takes place when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. At that time He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. The sheep are those who will have made it through the tribulation period alive and will be those who will be allowed to enter into the millennial kingdom to repopulate the earth. The goats will be the wicked who did not believe in Christ and because of not having faith will not have had compassion and mercy as the sheep did and will be cast into the lake of fire which was prepared for Satan and his angels.

Rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

I may wrong, but in this verse Jesus give the characteristic for people that reign with him for 1000 years as

1. People that beheaded for the Lord.
2. People that not take the mark of the beast.

In matt 25 Jesus mention people that go to the kingdom as people that love the poor

Or stranger (not racist)

So we see difreent category here.

I believe people that not take the mark or beheaded for the zlord is also love to the poor.

But people that love to the poor may die oN bed or hospital from corona virus.

Horse is animal, but a Imam may not horse.

 

[NOV25]

Scripture clearly teaches that all those promised before the beginning of time, promised from the Father to the Son, written in the book of life will be given to the Son, not one will be lost. If one departs it's because they were not of us.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Scripture clearly teaches that all those promised before the beginning of time, promised from the Father to the Son, written in the book of life will be given to the Son, not one will be lost. If one departs it's because they were not of us.

WHOSOEVER WILL!

Judas was baptizes. Judas baptizes others., Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel.

The bible says Judas was a Apostle (which means he was saved - Luke 6:13-16). Many believe that you can stop believing in who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done and remain in the body of Christ. This is false doctrine from demon spirits.

 

[Runningman]

I disagree. The scriptures teaches us that there were Ten Virgins (all saved), however, Five stayed Wise (saved) and Five became unwise (lost their salvation). Jesus said in John 6:66 these words, "From that time many of His Disciples (saved) went back, and walked no more with Him (lost their salvation). The reason why Jesus says He never knew them is because the memory of the wicked is remembered no more. (Job 24:20, Proverbs 10:7)

In 1 Peter 1:3-5 says having sincere faith in Jesus will result in being born again and having salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9 says salvation comes from faith in Christ, not of works, a free gift of God, so that no one can bost.

In Matthew 25 Jesus is using parables to emphasize the status of people at his second coming. The parable of the 10 virgins and the parable of the bags of gold can only be concluded to mean that those who had faith did nothing to serve God with it. Examples of serving God with the faith we're given are being forgiving, loving, feeding the hungry, tending to the sick, preaching the gospel. They didn't have faith at all or perhaps it was only lip service.

Genuine faith in Christ will result in good works. It is a supernatural transformation of the mind and heart, this is being born again. However, the works are a testament of their faith though the works do nothing to actually save, it is a relationship with God to use our faith for righteousness.

Tituss 3:5 "He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,"

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Examples of serving God with the faith we're given are being forgiving, loving, feeding the hungry, tending to the sick, preaching the gospel.

Genuine faith in Christ will result in good works. It is a supernatural transformation of the mind and heart, this is being born again. However, the works are a testament of their faith though the works do nothing to actually save, it is a relationship with God to use our faith for righteousness.

When we look at the scriptures of the example you gave, serving God with the faith we're given, to keep it in its truth and righteous context, Jesus is speaking about Israel.

Our works can only be produced and birth by the Holy Spirit by Grace through Faith in Christ and Him Crucified, or it is rotten fruit and judged as iniquity.

 

[Runningman]

Our works can only be produced and birth by the Holy Spirit by Grace through Faith in Christ and Him Crucified, or it is rotten fruit and judged as iniquity.

I think we agree then.

 

[NOV25]

WHOSOEVER WILL!

Judas was baptizes. Judas baptizes others., Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel.

The bible says Judas was a Apostle (which means he was saved - Luke 6:13-16). Many believe that you can stop believing in who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done and remain in the body of Christ. This is false doctrine from demon spirits.

Judas was not of us, not promised to Jesus, he was in fact predestined for wrath.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

What scripture is Jesus speaking of? 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

How do we know? Look back to John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

Judas was predestined for destruction, that's just the way it is. 🤷‍♂️

 

[NOV25]

Judas was not of us, not promised to Jesus, he was in fact predestined for wrath.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

What scripture is Jesus speaking of? Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

How do we know? Look back to John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

Judas was predestined for destruction, that's just the way it is. 🤷‍♂️

Sorry, I left out the book name. 👆