Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

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Cameron143

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Yet another preposterous assertion rooted in profoundly stygian ignorance.

You would think that the 70ad pundits would be extinct seeing the latest geopolitical machinations and goings on in Israel nowadays. Totally obvious as it relates to prophecy.

Buuuutt....no such luck.
I'm sorry, but amidst all the kind words I didn't see your answer. Perhaps you missed it while you were looking up all those big words. What covenant would that be that God would redeem Israel?
 

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Sounds like new covenant language, but I don't see anything in those passages about timing.
The restoration of the wife of YHVH could not be more clear in these passages.
Absolutely proof positive of the redemption of Israel at the TIME OF THE SECOND COMING.

Jdg 15:1
After a while, in the time of wheat harvest, it happened that Samson visited his wife with a young goat. And he said, “Let me go in to my wife, into her room.” But her father would not permit him to go in.
Jdg 15:2
Her father said, “I really thought that you thoroughly hated her; therefore I gave her to your companion. *****Is not her younger sister better than she?***** Please, take her instead.”
Jdg 15:3
And Samson said to them, “This time I shall be blameless regarding the Philistines if I harm them!”
Jdg 15:4
Then Samson went and caught three hundred foxes; and he took torches, turned the foxes tail to tail, and put a torch between each pair of tails.
Jdg 15:5
When he had set the torches on fire, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines, and burned up both the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the vineyards and olive groves.
Jdg 15:6
Then the Philistines said, “Who has done this?” And they answered, “Samson, the son-in-law of the Timnite, because he has taken his wife and given her to his companion.” So the Philistines came up and burned her and her father with fire.
Jdg 15:7
Samson said to them, “Since you would do a thing like this, I will surely take revenge on you, and after that I will cease.”
Jdg 15:8
So he attacked them hip and thigh with a great slaughter; then he went down and dwelt in the cleft of the rock of Etam.
 

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The restoration of the wife of YHVH could not be more clear in these passages.
Absolutely proof positive of the redemption of Israel at the TIME OF THE SECOND COMING.

Jdg 15:1
After a while, in the time of wheat harvest, it happened that Samson visited his wife with a young goat. And he said, “Let me go in to my wife, into her room.” But her father would not permit him to go in.
Jdg 15:2
Her father said, “I really thought that you thoroughly hated her; therefore I gave her to your companion. *****Is not her younger sister better than she?***** Please, take her instead.”
Jdg 15:3
And Samson said to them, “This time I shall be blameless regarding the Philistines if I harm them!”
Jdg 15:4
Then Samson went and caught three hundred foxes; and he took torches, turned the foxes tail to tail, and put a torch between each pair of tails.
Jdg 15:5
When he had set the torches on fire, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines, and burned up both the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the vineyards and olive groves.
Jdg 15:6
Then the Philistines said, “Who has done this?” And they answered, “Samson, the son-in-law of the Timnite, because he has taken his wife and given her to his companion.” So the Philistines came up and burned her and her father with fire.
Jdg 15:7
Samson said to them, “Since you would do a thing like this, I will surely take revenge on you, and after that I will cease.”
Jdg 15:8
So he attacked them hip and thigh with a great slaughter; then he went down and dwelt in the cleft of the rock of Etam.
Not apparent to me at all. Where in the passage do you see 2nd coming and what verses relay the timing?
 

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I'm sorry, but amidst all the kind words I didn't see your answer. Perhaps you missed it while you were looking up all those big words. What covenant would that be that God would redeem Israel?
The covenant so described in these passages.....

Rth 4:9
And Boaz said to the elders and all the people, “You are witnesses this day that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, from the hand of Naomi.
Rth 4:10
“Moreover, Ruth the Moabitess, the widow of Mahlon, I have acquired as my wife, to perpetuate the name of the dead through his inheritance, that the name of the dead may not be cut off from among his brethren and from his position at the gate. You are witnesses this day.”
 

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The covenant so described in these passages.....

Rth 4:9
And Boaz said to the elders and all the people, “You are witnesses this day that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, from the hand of Naomi.
Rth 4:10
“Moreover, Ruth the Moabitess, the widow of Mahlon, I have acquired as my wife, to perpetuate the name of the dead through his inheritance, that the name of the dead may not be cut off from among his brethren and from his position at the gate. You are witnesses this day.”
New covenant language of a redeemer. Still haven't answered my question: under what covenant?
 

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amidst all the kind words
How could I possibly offer kind words to preterists when in fact only sharp rebukes for unbelief and stygian ignorance are merited?

Jdg 15:2
Her father (SATAN) said, “I (SATAN) really thought that you (JESUS CHRIST) thoroughly hated her (ISRAEL); therefore I gave her to your companion.....”

Well.....Satan thought wrong. Because Samson (Christ) comes back and SLAUGHTERS the Philistines (the Anti-Christ and his armies).

Therefore it can be confidently asserted that......SATAN IS A 70AD CURB KICKER TOO!
 

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New covenant language of a redeemer. Still haven't answered my question: under what covenant?
Seeing as you are asking such a silly question, one could only conclude that your understanding of covenants is as abysmally shallow as your understanding of eschatology.
 

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How could I possibly offer kind words to preterists when in fact only sharp rebukes for unbelief and stygian ignorance are merited?

Jdg 15:2
Her father (SATAN) said, “I (SATAN) really thought that you (JESUS CHRIST) thoroughly hated her (ISRAEL); therefore I gave her to your companion.....”

Well.....Satan thought wrong. Because Samson (Christ) comes back and SLAUGHTERS the Philistines (the Anti-Christ and his armies).

Therefore it can be confidently asserted that......SATAN IS A 70AD CURB KICKER TOO!
You make stuff up. So: what covenant?
 

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Seeing as you are asking such a silly question, one could only conclude that your understanding of covenants is as abysmally shallow as your understanding of eschatology.
So, what covenant?
 

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New covenant language of a redeemer. Still haven't answered my question: under what covenant?
Right. Covenant language of THE Redeemer. When and where you ask? Under what covenant you ask?

All of the answers utterly obvious to even the profoundly obdurate mind.
 

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You make stuff up. So: what covenant?
No. Preterists make "stuff" up. I endeavor to take that "stuff" and throw it into the compost heap where it belongs.
 

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Very simple question: under what covenant will God restore Israel?
You don't answer because the answer guts your argument.
Don't blame me if you are looking like a fool. You did that all on your own.
 

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In your biblical scheme to ''adoption' then it is a matter of God's sovereignty because it is His foreknowledge. To the matter of obedience in following after Christ taking up our cross as He chose to do in obedience to the Father, [it] is a matter of 'desiring' and is an implied and undoubted choosing in the volitional meaning of 'to choose'.

Calvinism is the sovereignty of God part and obedience to Christ in our walks is our choosing to please the Father. That 'choosing' is predicated on a volitional direction in our own possession.
you utterly ignore the abundant Scriptures that show that no man seeks after or chooses God without God first choosing them. Man can not and does not want to choose God because he is spiritually dead and to obey God is foolishness to him unless he has been born again by grace who are given new wills to obey God out of gratitude and not merit. Do I need to quote these Scriptures to you?
 

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Repkacement theology at its finest.
Fulfilment Theology at its grandest.

It is time to step out of the shadows and types of the Old that have passed away and come into the glorious light of Christ seen so clearly in the NEW.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

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Cameron143

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Don't blame me if you are looking like a fool. You did that all on your own.
And yet, still no answer to the question. Same with another poster earlier. If you say old covenant, you have to say it hasn't passed away, which is false. If you say new covenant, you have to show the new covenant provision where God deals with nations and not individuals based on faith, which you also can't show.
You are lost in a confused covenant state.
 

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Fulfilment Theology at its grandest.

It is time to step out of the shadows and types of the Old that have passed away and come into the glorious light of Christ seen so clearly in the NEW.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
2Co 3:11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

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Again, you’re taking Paul’s writings to the Gentile body of Christ and comparing it to Jewish passages. Not good Bible study. Rightly divide the word of truth.