Misconceptions of Calvinism

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Spokenpassage

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I'm not really trying to start beef. I overheard some misconceptions so I wanted to explain some.
 
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I did. Calvinism, no matter the misconceptions, denies free will in any true sense of the word. This leaves only one being responsible for anything by sheer logic, and that is God.
 
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I did. Calvinism, no matter the misconceptions, denies free will in any true sense of the word. This leaves only one being responsible for anything by sheer logic, and that is God.
Nope ........
 
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I agree that God is not responsible, it's why I reject Calvinism outright. I'm not saying don't read him, there is always truth to be found in the writings of a true seeker of truth. I just disregard his conclusions because they ignore free will.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Free will is either in bondage to sin, or captured by grace. There is no middle ground.
 
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Kerry

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I know I am not liked and I don't care you are saved by your faith in the cross and if your faith is in anything else God will bring you to the remembrance of the cross, if you do not accept that then you are hell bound just like the guy that is tatted up, yet the guy that is tatted up can accept Christ and be saved. What do you want, do want people to obey by your rules, hey that would be great, but that is not reality, We are saved by the cross and nothing else. and if at any point we reject the cross we we are hell bound
 
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I know I am not liked and I don't care you are saved by your faith in the cross and if your faith is in anything else God will bring you to the remembrance of the cross, if you do not accept that then you are hell bound just like the guy that is tatted up, yet the guy that is tatted up can accept Christ and be saved. What do you want, do want people to obey by your rules, hey that would be great, but that is not reality, We are saved by the cross and nothing else. and if at any point we reject the cross we we are hell bound
I agree. We have a choice. It's God's greatest and most dangerous gift.
 
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Kerry

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it's not dangerous if our faith is placed in the cross it is only dangerous if our faith is placed in what we do.
 

Patnubay

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Crossnote, are you intentionally doing this to bug me? You are doing a pretty good job...lol

Partiality and unconditional election are exclusive don't you agree? Partiality refers to regarding someone for what they are, have, etc. Unconditional Election is not based on anything within a man, but entirely on God who chooses.

Again with your question.

Question: "How is one man judged guilty for not believing when another has had their eyes awakened and have been enabled to believe?"

Answer: "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

John 3:18-21 NASB

Simple answer: Because they sinned and their sin must be judged.


Spokenpassage,

If you don't mind, PLEASE ELABORATE your above quoted answer. I know the answer to Crossnote's question is in here. But unfortunately, I can't seem to understand. Thanks.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Spokenpassage,

If you don't mind, PLEASE ELABORATE your above quoted answer. I know the answer to Crossnote's question is in here. But unfortunately, I can't seem to understand. Thanks.
No problem. You see, men are born in sin so all they do is according to their nature which is sinful. Since sin must be judged, the punishment for us all is eternal death after we die. In Romans 3:9-12 explains that no one seeks after the Lord, we all turned our backs from Him. In so doing, men are unrepentant sinners doomed for that destruction. Jesus even said all who sin are a slave to sin. Men who ignore the gospel will be judged for their hard hearts towards God and sin. Everyone deserves that because we all have sinned and fallen short of His glory.

So it's entirely fair for those not chosen by God's grace to suffer the consequences for their own sins. Jesus opening our eyes is a gift from God, the faith we have is a gift from God. It is perfectly just to leave some people to their own destruction, and to save whoever He pleases for His glory. So many scriptures speaking about this.

If it was fair for God to have the heathens in Canaan be slaughtered in order for the Israelites to possess the land, then it is also righteous for God to choose who receives His benefits while leaving the rest to their just doom.

It sounds harsh at first (with our human understanding), but knowing that we deserved that anyways shows that it is perfectly just for Him to choose whom He wants to be saved.

Now the gospel message is a general call for everyone to repent, of course the reprobate who will forever refuse the message will not heed it nor care, but God's elect will hear it and God will move in them to believe and to accept the message. Everyone has the offer of salvation, but because men loved darkness rather than light, they will be judged for their rejection. God helps the elect to want to believe, by giving him a heart of flesh in place of his heart of stone.

So that in the end, God will display His perfect wrath and justice on those who rebelled, and His perfect mercy and grace on those who He chosen before the foundations of the world without any partiality on His part.

Romans 9 explains this well.
 
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I – Irresistible Grace

Misconception: God drags people kicking and screaming against their will into His kingdom.

Fact: Reform theology teaches that God lovingly overcomes the natural rebellion in the sinner’s heart so that they may accept His gift of salvation.

J. I. Packer sums up this doctrine in a very succinct manner when he says, “Grace proves irresistible just because it destroys the disposition to resist.”

Another point worth making is that this call is not given to everyone. This fact is evident in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians: “But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor. 1:23-24).
What is grace? Does it fall upon everybody or only on some?



 
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Spokenpassage

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What is grace? Does it fall upon everybody or only on some?



Depends. Common grace is given to everyone (breath, life, sun, rain, etc), and Sovereign grace is given to the elect (Romans 9, Ephesians 1:3-12, etc). Grace is unmerited favor, favor without any regard of person or action.
 
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Depends. Common grace is given to everyone (breath, life, sun, rain, etc), and Sovereign grace is given to the elect (Romans 9, Ephesians 1:3-12, etc).
But what do you understand by grace?
 
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2Thewaters

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calvinism is better than Lutheranism
lutheranism is better than catholicism
each was a step closer to believing the whole Bible
The newer isms was better than calvinism
each one had more of the Bible
but none of them got it all right

there is a final church
that gets the entire Bible right

and revelation says they will FIGHT against error and conquer the beast by truth

well truth is the word of God

so by knowing the word of God they will beat the beasts errors incuding twisting the meaning of faith
and the whole babylon system of herarchical (babylon) churches will fall
payed mnisters will fall
the system of babylon will fail
each one will come back to their first love and be one on one in love with JEsus keeping the whole Bible
everythig
and they will stop sinning
stop breaking the law
because Jesus cant break the law and he is living in their heart

amen Praise the Lord.

Do you want to be one of them?

I do!
here they are!

here they are!

they are invincible army of Joel chapter 2

wherever error is they walk in and break the lions teeth with the truth

here they are!
Here they are!

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus.

and when this church is formed, all 144,000 of them Jesus comes to cut the grass!

all men are as grass

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
 
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Patnubay

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No problem. You see, men are born in sin so all they do is according to their nature which is sinful. Since sin must be judged, the punishment for us all is eternal death after we die. In Romans 3:9-12 explains that no one seeks after the Lord, we all turned our backs from Him. In so doing, men are unrepentant sinners doomed for that destruction. Jesus even said all who sin are a slave to sin. Men who ignore the gospel will be judged for their hard hearts towards God and sin. Everyone deserves that because we all have sinned and fallen short of His glory.

So it's entirely fair for those not chosen by God's grace to suffer the consequences for their own sins. Jesus opening our eyes is a gift from God, the faith we have is a gift from God. It is perfectly just to leave some people to their own destruction, and to save whoever He pleases for His glory. So many scriptures speaking about this.

If it was fair for God to have the heathens in Canaan be slaughtered in order for the Israelites to possess the land, then it is also righteous for God to choose who receives His benefits while leaving the rest to their just doom.

It sounds harsh at first (with our human understanding), but knowing that we deserved that anyways shows that it is perfectly just for Him to choose whom He wants to be saved.

Now the gospel message is a general call for everyone to repent, of course the reprobate who will forever refuse the message will not heed it nor care, but God's elect will hear it and God will move in them to believe and to accept the message. Everyone has the offer of salvation, but because men loved darkness rather than light, they will be judged for their rejection. God helps the elect to want to believe, by giving him a heart of flesh in place of his heart of stone.

So that in the end, God will display His perfect wrath and justice on those who rebelled, and His perfect mercy and grace on those who He chosen before the foundations of the world without any partiality on His part.

Romans 9 explains this well.

Thank you. it is very hard to take but when you correlated it with the old testament, how God told the Israelites to slaughter other tribes, it became easier to understand. Again, thanks.