Misconceptions of Calvinism

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Perhaps. But whatever she heard it was not outside of the box of Jn. 16:8, and relative only to the Acts 2 statement. Comprenda?
It would most likely be closer to the gospel given in Acts 16:31 only about 15 verses away/same town. Paul even went back to Lydias house (v.40) from the jail.
 
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It would most likely be closer to the gospel given in Acts 16:31 only about 15 verses away/same town. Paul even went back to Lydias house (v.40) from the jail.
Feller, if you are such, one of the quickest ways I know of activating your previously punched hell chute ticket is implying "God didn't really say".
 

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Feller, if you are such, one of the quickest ways I know of activating your previously punched hell chute ticket is implying "God didn't really say".
Not sure from what universe you're speaking from... I'm not a mind reader.
''God didn't really say'' ???
What did God really say, that I implied He didn't really say?
(I've got my finger on the 'ignore button).
 

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No verse says man has a natural tendency in his heart to be able to only resist God.
False claim.

Natural man = unregenerate, sinful
Spiritual man = regenerate, obedient

Check out Ro 8:7-8, where it is not just a "natural tendency," but "impossible."

Check out Jn 6:65, 44, 37, where it is impossible, and those in whom it is made possible, it is guaranteed.


 
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So the Lord 'tries' to open every heart that hears the Gospel but Lydia 'helped' Him by not resisting?

The issue is HOW did the Lord open Lydia's heart. The Lord opened her heart by His word being preached to her by Paul.
 
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False claim.

Natural man = unregenerate, sinful
Spiritual man = regenerate, obedient

Check out Ro 8:7-8, where it is not just a "natural tendency," but "impossible."

Check out Jn 6:65, 44, 37, where it is impossible, and those in whom it is made possible, it is guaranteed.


The spiritual man was those inspired writers of the bible who had miraculous inspiration to receive words from the Holy Spirit and write them down so the natural men (who is non-inspired) could read those words and understand.
Eph 3:3,4 Paul was a spiritual man who was inspired to receive revelatory words, wrote those words down so those words could be read and understood by the natural man who was not inspired.
 

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So the Lord 'tries' to open every heart that hears the Gospel but Lydia 'helped' Him by not resisting?

The issue is HOW did the Lord open Lydia's heart. The Lord opened her heart by His word being preached to her by Paul.
So every one who has the Gospel preached to them has their heart opened by the Lord? Or just some?
 
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Men hate calvinism because they hate how it stresses how god chooses people for salvation and not themselves. It is true god has elect and non elect and this is simply the truth. Men hate how god is soverign and we are repudiated as nothing and he does whatever he pleases
 
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Not sure from what universe you're speaking from... I'm not a mind reader.
''God didn't really say'' ???
What did God really say, that I implied He didn't really say?
(I've got my finger on the 'ignore button).
"It would be more likely closer to the "gospel" given in Acts 16:31". That statement activated your ticket.
 
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So every one who has the Gospel preached to them has their heart opened by the Lord? Or just some?

Some reject what they hear others accept what they hear. Those that accept what they hear then their heat was opened by the Lord through preaching of His word.
 
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Men hate calvinism because they hate how it stresses how god chooses people for salvation and not themselves. It is true god has elect and non elect and this is simply the truth. Men hate how god is soverign and we are repudiated as nothing and he does whatever he pleases
Calvinism puts fault and blame upon God when God has none. Men that are lost are lost NOT due to some arbitrary decision God supposedly made for them before the world began, but are lost due to their own sins.
 

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The spiritual man was those inspired writers of the bible who had miraculous inspiration to receive words from the Holy Spirit and write them down so the natural men (who is non-inspired) could read those words and understand.
Another false claim, as was the one [post=[/COLOR]1558418]here[/post].

See Gal 6:1; 1Co 1:14-16.
Everyone who is born again of the Holy Spirit is a spiritual man.

Eph 3:3,4 Paul was a spiritual man
Yes, Paul was a spiritual man, as are all those who born again of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:5).

who was inspired to receive revelatory words, wrote those words down so those words could be read and understood by the natural man who was not inspired.
You don't know the NT very well, do you?

Paul was more than "inspired" (the word is "God-breathed," theoneustos),
Jesus spoke to Paul personally, giving Paul what he presents in the NT.
 
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See #124 for you other false claim.
 

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Some reject what they hear others accept what they hear. Those that accept what they hear then their heat was opened by the Lord through preaching of His word.
So Lydia accepted what she heard and then the Lord opened her heart?

14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. (ESV)
 

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Eph 3:3,4 Paul was a spiritual man who was inspired to receive revelatory words, wrote those words down so those words could be read and understood by the natural man who was not inspired.
It is the Scriptures that are "inspired" (God-breathed, theoneustos).

The writers were not God-breathed.

The writers were either witnesses of Jesus (including Paul, to whom Jesus appeared and also spoke at length),
or they were taught by the witnesses of Jesus.

All those who are born again are spiritual.
 
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It is the Scriptures that are "inspired" (God-breathed, theoneustos).

The writers were not God-breathed.

The writers were either witnesses of Jesus (including Paul, to whom Jesus appeared and also spoke at length),
or they were taught by the witnesses of Jesus.

All those who are born again are spiritual.
Inspired scripture could not be written by uninspired men. The apostles were inspired men, selected by God to receive His inspired words to write down.

2 Pet 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." These men were inspired, spiritual men enabled by God to receive His revelatory words. These spiritual men were "moved", passive voice meaning to carry. These men were passively carried by God's influence, the Holy Spirit moved/carried these inspired writers to fulfill His purpose.

See also 1 Pet 1:10-12 where inspired/moved/carried men did not understand all that God gave them by inspiration by the Spirit of Christ operating within them guiding what they spoke/wrote.

No one today is a spiritual man that is moved/carried by God's spirit in receiving revelatory, inspired words from God.
 
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So Lydia accepted what she heard and then the Lord opened her heart?

14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. (ESV)
Her heart was opened by God's word being spoken to her by Paul.

Calvinistic "regeneration" is NOT in this passage where the Holy Spirit first has to "regenerate" one's heart before he/she can understand and accept the gospel word. This is NOT how the Lord opened her heart.
 
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Another false claim, as was the one [post=[/COLOR]1558418]here[/post].

See Gal 6:1; 1Co 1:14-16.
Everyone who is born again of the Holy Spirit is a spiritual man.


Yes, Paul was a spiritual man, as are all those who born again of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:5).


You don't know the NT very well, do you?

Paul was more than "inspired" (the word is "God-breathed," theoneustos),
Jesus spoke to Paul personally, giving Paul what he presents in the NT.


1 Cor 2:13 speaks of "words" given to the inspired apostles by the Holy Spirit, so what they wrote were not their own words but words they were "moved" by the Holy Spirit to write. No one today are spiritual men moved by the HS to write inspired words.

So the spiritual man were inspired/moved by the HS to receive words from the HS.

The natural man were those that were not spiritually endowed by God, not "moved" to receive words from the HS. This 'natural man' has nothing to do with the Calvinistic idea that men are "unregenerated" and unable to understand God's word unless the HS first "regenerates" them. This idea puts fault and blame upon God for those left "unregenerated? and unable to understand God's word.

Coffman Commentary:
The natural man ... is rendered from the Greek "physical man," and has the meaning indicated by Macknight, being that of "an animal man."[36] It is an abuse of this passage to make it mean that unregenerated people cannot understand spiritual things until God, in some independent action, opens their hearts, or regenerates them. The receiving of the truth by the unconverted is not in view here at all. DeHoff gave this exegesis:

Paul means that ordinary man cannot receive or give a revelation from God, because God has not selected him and filled him with the Holy Spirit. Only the apostles and certain other writers of the New Testament were so selected and guided.[37]

The application of this in its primary context is that none of the brilliant orators of Greece had the slightest knowledge of the wisdom of God, such wisdom appearing to the sophists as foolishness.
[36] Ibid.
[37] George W. DeHoff, op. cit., p. 32.
 
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