Modern Bible versions are corrupt

[roaringkitten]

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39

"Every word of God is pure.." Proverbs 30:5

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalms 12:6-7

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23



Some points I would like to make from the above verses:
1)The Scriptures(ie:Word of God) testifies of Jesus
2)EVERY Word of God is pure(incorruptible). That means EVERY word!(even conjunctions). Conjunctions have the power to change an entire meaning of a sentence!
3)We are commanded to live by EVERY Word of God
4)God declares the words of the Lord will be preserved forever!
5)If all Bible versions have mistakes, then it would be impossible to live by EVERY word of God!(How would you pick what is true and false from version to version?) Notice, God said "Word of God", not a number of versions.



I'm going to use the NIV translation as an example of why there is much confusion in the church today concerning major doctrinal issues(ie: salvation, deity of Christ, etc...). satan has always attacked the Word of God, and intends to divide Christians over theology because we are reading many various versions of the Bible.

God is not the author of confusion("For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33). Tell me this, if all students in an algebra class read/worked from different editions, do you think there would be confusion? If the pastor is preaching from one Bible version and the congregation is trying to follow along from dozens of different versions, is that sensible? I can personally attest, a long time ago, it completely confused me!(I used to support modern Bible versions).

The NIV(red) will be compared to the KJV(blue). Here are some examples:

1)We know as Christians, that Jesus is from everlasting(He has no "origin")-"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Hebrews 7:3). Not according to the NIV.

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." Micah 5:2

Carefully note that comparing "everlasting" to "ancient times", you can clearly see, the NIV denotes a time interval!(which would discredit Jesus' deity)

2) We know as Christians, that by faith we are saved. The NIV teaches the dangerous "Lordship salvation" doctrine.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 10:9-10

The NIV makes the fatal error in trying to separate "justification" from "being saved". The KJV correctly says salvation is a matter of the heart(belief). The KJV even goes a step farther in clarifying what Romans 10:9 means in the next verse! Here is a Scripture that shows we are justified by faith:

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8

Here is a verse speaking about saved individuals not confessing Jesus:

"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." John 12:42-43

3)Who is the morning star? The NIV says satan is. The KJV says Jesus is! As Christians, we better know that Jesus is the morning star! If you were to cross reference the NIV Isaiah 14:12 with the NIV Revelation 22:16, there is a clear contradiction(a lie).

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Revelation 22:16

4) The NIV teaches wicked persons go to the grave. The KJV says they go to hell! Now you know why we have multitudes of people who think hell doesn't exist! Every person returns to the grave when they die!

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

"The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

In fact, the NIV diminishes the word "hell" in numerous places. Satan would love to make people think there is no urgency to being saved!

5)The KJV clearly declares Jesus as God(The Godhead-Acts 17:29, 1 John 5:7, etc). The NIV perverts the deity of Christ:

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory." 1 Timothy 3:16

This is one of the strongest verses proving the deity of Christ, and the NIV is makes it completely vague.

6) If you believe in the virgin birth(John 3:16, Matthew 1:20) then the NIV should trouble you.

"And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him." Luke 2:33

"The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him." Luke 2:33

Carefully notice the NIV declares "child's father", which attacks the virgin birth.("...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20)

7) The wonderful John 3:16 verse is perverted in the NIV:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

We know that God calls believers sons of God(Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:2). The NIV version of John 3:16 is a contradiction right within the verse!

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God..." 1 John 3:2

I could list many more problems with the NIV, I hope and pray you will be enlightened about this. The Word of God is fiercely under attack today. There is much confusion in church, many false "Christian" churches, and division because people are reading from corrupt versions. We have professed Christians running around wondering if they lost salvation. We have false religious institutions(ie:catholic religion, jehovahs witnesses, mormons, etc), we have people fighting over the deity of Christ. We also have the lost world laughing at us, because they think the Word of God is corrupted(only the corrupt modern versions are corrupted). The KJV has never contradicted itself, and is the Word of God in English.

Please take this to prayer if you still have doubts. Blessings, rk

 

[phil36]

There are more accurate modern translations than the KJV. I would say the best around is the ESV (actually it is US English) where as KJV is Ole Shakespearian English, but still a trustworthy translation and stood the test of time.

It will be interesting to see how the new translation team will change the NIV when it comes out next year (I think its next year).

Blessings

Phil

 

[Shard]

Ill be honest i have never understood why people hold up the KJV as some authoritative version of the bible. If you want to get technical, you should compare any modern bible to the original greek, hebrew, and aramaic texts. Otherwise what you are doing it pointess.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I disagree for several reasons.
1. The premise that since every translation with"errors" is not the word of God, therefore there must be one translation which is authoritative and all others must be wrong.
2. The assumption that there is an exact English word that translates an exact Greek or Hebrew word (especially conjunctions) and therefore only one correct way to render scripture into English.
3. The foregone conclusion that this plethora of scripture is the product of and the cause of confusion.
4. The view that one translation difference means the abandonment of an entire doctrine rather than a pattern of translation prejudice.
5. The presumption that the one translation which is pure is the KJV.
6. The presumption that we even speak the language of the KJV.
7. The idea that the other translations feed the cults, when in fact most cults prefer the more obscure wording of the KJV.

One other thing: when the KJV was translated, the same things were said about it, in favor of the Geneva Bible.
The KJV is a good translation that drew on the best manuscripts that they had at the time. It set the standard at the time and is still one of the most beautifully crafted translations. But it is largely not understood by the modern reader. And that is the key. The fact that we translate, even the KJV means that we believe that the scripture can and and will be correctly understood in English.

 

[scottman719]

I think it is dangerous to hold any one translation above others. I personally use the Holman Christian Standard Bible, as I find it a good balance between literal and readable, I also have a KJV for reference, and where different versions disagree, I use an online interlinear bible to see the Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.

The most important thing is to have a bible that you can read and understand, and to cross reference for accuracy

 

[journey41]

How true. I first stumbled upon this myself in Mark 9:29 when Jesus disciples could not cast a spirit out of a mans son who was deaf & dumb. Jesus instructed that "This kind can only come out by PRAYER & FASTING." A lot of other versions miss out the word FASTING. The two in this particular case go together. I find the Old king James Version more reliable than the NKJ as I found a few discrepencies also that changed the whole meaning, but only a few.

 

[Shwagga]

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39

"Every word of God is pure.." Proverbs 30:5

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Luke 4:4

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalms 12:6-7

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23



Some points I would like to make from the above verses:
1)The Scriptures(ie:Word of God) testifies of Jesus
2)EVERY Word of God is pure(incorruptible). That means EVERY word!(even conjunctions). Conjunctions have the power to change an entire meaning of a sentence!
3)We are commanded to live by EVERY Word of God
4)God declares the words of the Lord will be preserved forever!
5)If all Bible versions have mistakes, then it would be impossible to live by EVERY word of God!(How would you pick what is true and false from version to version?) Notice, God said "Word of God", not a number of versions.



I'm going to use the NIV translation as an example of why there is much confusion in the church today concerning major doctrinal issues(ie: salvation, deity of Christ, etc...). satan has always attacked the Word of God, and intends to divide Christians over theology because we are reading many various versions of the Bible.

God is not the author of confusion("For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33). Tell me this, if all students in an algebra class read/worked from different editions, do you think there would be confusion? If the pastor is preaching from one Bible version and the congregation is trying to follow along from dozens of different versions, is that sensible? I can personally attest, a long time ago, it completely confused me!(I used to support modern Bible versions).

The NIV(red) will be compared to the KJV(blue). Here are some examples:

1)We know as Christians, that Jesus is from everlasting(He has no "origin")-"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." Hebrews 7:3). Not according to the NIV.

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." Micah 5:2

Carefully note that comparing "everlasting" to "ancient times", you can clearly see, the NIV denotes a time interval!(which would discredit Jesus' deity)

2) We know as Christians, that by faith we are saved. The NIV teaches the dangerous "Lordship salvation" doctrine.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 10:9-10

The NIV makes the fatal error in trying to separate "justification" from "being saved". The KJV correctly says salvation is a matter of the heart(belief). The KJV even goes a step farther in clarifying what Romans 10:9 means in the next verse! Here is a Scripture that shows we are justified by faith:

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8

Here is a verse speaking about saved individuals not confessing Jesus:

"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." John 12:42-43

3)Who is the morning star? The NIV says satan is. The KJV says Jesus is! As Christians, we better know that Jesus is the morning star! If you were to cross reference the NIV Isaiah 14:12 with the NIV Revelation 22:16, there is a clear contradiction(a lie).

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Revelation 22:16

4) The NIV teaches wicked persons go to the grave. The KJV says they go to hell! Now you know why we have multitudes of people who think hell doesn't exist! Every person returns to the grave when they die!

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

"The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

In fact, the NIV diminishes the word "hell" in numerous places. Satan would love to make people think there is no urgency to being saved!

5)The KJV clearly declares Jesus as God(The Godhead-Acts 17:29, 1 John 5:7, etc). The NIV perverts the deity of Christ:

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory." 1 Timothy 3:16

This is one of the strongest verses proving the deity of Christ, and the NIV is makes it completely vague.

6) If you believe in the virgin birth(John 3:16, Matthew 1:20) then the NIV should trouble you.

"And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him." Luke 2:33

"The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him." Luke 2:33

Carefully notice the NIV declares "child's father", which attacks the virgin birth.("...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20)

7) The wonderful John 3:16 verse is perverted in the NIV:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

We know that God calls believers sons of God(Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:2). The NIV version of John 3:16 is a contradiction right within the verse!

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God..." 1 John 3:2

I could list many more problems with the NIV, I hope and pray you will be enlightened about this. The Word of God is fiercely under attack today. There is much confusion in church, many false "Christian" churches, and division because people are reading from corrupt versions. We have professed Christians running around wondering if they lost salvation. We have false religious institutions(ie:catholic religion, jehovahs witnesses, mormons, etc), we have people fighting over the deity of Christ. We also have the lost world laughing at us, because they think the Word of God is corrupted(only the corrupt modern versions are corrupted). The KJV has never contradicted itself, and is the Word of God in English.

Please take this to prayer if you still have doubts. Blessings, rk

Do you consider our Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek manuscripts to be more accurate than the KJV?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The KJV has its own problems roaringkitten. This thread would have made more sense if you had phrased it differently. Anyways...

Read:

History of the Bible: How The Bible Came To Us

Now read this:

Is Our Copy of the Bible a Reliable Copy of the Original?

Finally read this:

Is the King James Version the Only Bible that a Christian Should Read?

Want more? Here's one place to start:

 

[Ricke]

She is right....different modern versions use different words to change the original meaning. I use the KJV not even the NEW KJV. I accept for fact that first, it is pure and to the point, with no side notes "explaining " things. Let God's Spirit do all the explaining. Secondly, it tells us on the very first page it was already translated out of the Greek and Hebrew so be it.

 

[VW]

We do not live by scripture, but by Jesus Christ.

 

[mpaper345]

I do believe the modern translations have tampered with a few scriptures especially the NIV which seems to support New Age religion doctrine in some areas.

God's purpose is to gather all nations together to fight them at the battle of armageddon,which is the world under the rule of the antichrist going against Jerusalem,and the Jews.

God is going to allow all people who do not love Him to follow the antichrist system,so God can further His plan of taking His children home,and putting down their kingdom and setting up the millennial reign of Christ.

Since God is going to allow the world,all people who do not love Him,to follow the antichrist system,there will be deception out there that will try to cause people to follow the New Age religion,which the New Age religion interpretation of the Bible will be included in the one world religious system.

God is going to let the world have it's way without putting them down for 7 years,which is known as Daniel's 70th week,which has not happened yet,and the great tribulation.

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).


There may be many people who have different interpretations for these scriptures,but it is talking of the New Age religion's occultic interpretation of the Bible that will part of the one world religious system that will operate for the first 3 and one half years of the 7 years tribulation.


The one world religious system will be a system that will allow all religions to be practiced and say all religions are valid and no religion is better than another religion.They will not accept fundamental Christianity,but accept the New Age religion's occultic interpretation of the Bible,for it will be compatible with the other religions.


That is why the Bible calls the one world religious system Mystery,Babylon the Great,the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth,because she is a combination of all the religions and a false christianity all together as one saying all religions are equal.


It will be the occultic interpretation of the Bible that will lead many people astray to follow a false christianity.


There are many New Age religion people who follow Jesus and claim Christianity,but they interpret the Bible according to an occultic interpretation.They believe that Jesus is a 4th degree adept in the occult,which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit,and the New Age Christ to appear will be a 7th degree adept in the occult and will be the teacher of the world.


The Bible says the Spirit speaks of something at the latter times which is a deception.The latter days would be the last days of the last days.God gives us a warning concerning the New Age religion and their false christianity that will have them following the devil although they think they are following Jesus.It will lead many astray from the truth.



It says that many shall depart from the faith.It did not say they depart from Christianity but they depart from the faith.They depart from the truth of the Bible to embrace an occultic interpretation of the Bible.They still hold unto Christianity but not in the truth.


It will be this occutic christianity that they push out in society to get people to go in that direction,and it will be that false christianity that will be part of the one world religious system along will all the false religions of the world.


In the New Age religion you have white magic and black magic,and they are nature worshippers,and try to tap in to nature for power.The people who follow Jesus would be white magic but it is not innocent for they still believe in getting rid of all people who will not accept to the New World Order.
White magic or black magic they are still cruel.White magic or black magic it is still of the devil.


The New Age religion believes that when the New Age Christ appears he will restore all the hidden mysteries of the past and they can achieve occultic powers like Atlantis has 12,000 years ago.They are trying to establish the New Atlantis where they believe man had powers like a god but lost it through the years.They believe man is god himself.


God gives a warning concerning the latter times about the New Age religion and their false christianity that will have people following the devil while they think they are following Jesus.


It says they will give heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils.Some follow the devil on purpose in the New Age religion,but they would be black magic,and some follow their guiding spirits and think they follow Jesus but their guiding spirit is a devil unknown to them,which would be white magic.
Whether they follow black magic or white magic it is still of the devil.The people who are white magic are not trying to follow the devil but their practice and belief is of the devil and a deception from the devil.


The white magic people get in contact with their guiding spirit which is not an angel but a devil,and the devil tells them a false interpretation of the truth,which has already been laid out and the false interpretation is already out there.


The black magic probably does not get in contact with a guiding spirit because they follow the devil on purpose,so they would not need help from a guiding but they follow the devil.
The white magic people think they are following God and Jesus but are deceived and they think their guiding spirit is an angel but it is of the devil.


The New Age religion is occultic through and through.Whether black magic or white magic it is of the devil.
The white magic New Age people have put out a false christianity,an occultic interpretation of christianity and think they follow Jesus but they are really following the devil and are deceived and are teaching people that false christianity.


They have departed from the faith,the truth of the Bible,to a false christianity,which will be part of the one world religious system.


They speak lies in hypocrisy,and have their conscience seared with a hot iron.While they say they follow Jesus they will not have the compassion like He has for people because their conscience is seared with a hot iron,which means they will be cruel when the time comes to establish their kingdom with no mercy towards all those who oppose them.


They will forbid to marry and command to abstain from meats.They promote homosexuality for population reduction and esteem an animal to almost equal to a human.They promote being a vegetarian and the United Nations has a vegetarian organization.


They will probably make that a law in their kingdom,no marriage,and no eating animals.


God gives us a warning concerning the latter times about the New Age religion who will depart from the faith,the truth of the Bible,to accept an occultic interpretation of the Bible,which is of the devil,and get in contact with their guiding spirit which is a devil,and teach people that falsehood.


Since this is happening right now you would expect the deception to out there.


While the NIV seems to support some New Age doctrines,they probably have their own version of christianity that supports all of their doctrines,which a person that is well educated or even a little educated in the King James could spot it right off.


The NIV might be to try to get the people who do not know the Bible to go in that direction of the New Age religion but is not a full fledged occultic interpretation of christianity.


If a person knows the KJV really well they could spot any deception,and the deception to them in the NIV would be of no impact seeing they already know the theme of the KJV,but if a person does not know the Bible at all and uses the NIV they could come to the wrong notion of true Christianity.


I do not really know that much about the NIV but I do know that God is talking of the New Age religion which is occultic at the latter times that will teach their version of christianity.


I have seen a list of verses,quite a long list,comparing the KJV with the NIV,and in some places it does support New Age theology,and is worded differently,but it would not impact me forI already know the theme of the Bible.


It could be the NIV is a bone thrown out there to peoplw who do not know the truth but want to read the Bible,if they use a NIV at the first it might affect them somewhat wrongly.


The best solution is to read the King James version first and understand the theme of it and the essential doctrines before trying the other version.The other versions could give you a better understanding of some things and the things that are amiss you will know because you know the KJV.


Matt

 

[charisenexcelcis]

She is right....different modern versions use different words to change the original meaning. I use the KJV not even the NEW KJV. I accept for fact that first, it is pure and to the point, with no side notes "explaining " things. Let God's Spirit do all the explaining. Secondly, it tells us on the very first page it was already translated out of the Greek and Hebrew so be it.

I have a challenge for you Ricke. I give you ten words with bible references from the KJV. You tell me what they mean. That will show us that you are qualified to interpret the language of the KJV. I will even give you a starter question. In the KJV, what is the difference between "you" and "thou"?

 

[Crypto]

The reason for textual discrepancies in a lot of cases is more recently discovered manuscripts add or omit verses. If you have 600 manuscripts and only 2 have a certain verse in it, should it be added to a translation or not? Most scholars say not, because it isn't in the majority, or they add it in a footnote, or italicize it. Another thing I don't believe the KJV was translated from the best manuscripts. There have been many more found in the past 400 years that have showed to be more accurate and faithful to Erasmus' TR. I'm not a fan of the NIV because of the translation method, but to call it corrupt is wrong. People have gotten saved from it and have been blessed by it.

 

[paul1149]

I recommend using a variety of translations, and comparing them with the original languages (via tools if you're not fluent). Each translation has strengths and weaknesses. And that goes for creative paraphrases as well, which in their own way weave word tools into the text.

 

[Ricke]

David
Let me ask you this...Is Water Baptism from God or an invention of man? What is the Right Hand of God? Answer those then I will answer your question....

 

[charisenexcelcis]

David
Let me ask you this...Is Water Baptism from God or an invention of man? What is the Right Hand of God? Answer those then I will answer your question....

Jesus said He wanted to baptized as a matter of obedience, so I must assert that it is from God for who else would he be obeying in this case?
The right hand of God is a symbol of His authority. Jesus sits at the right hand of God as a sign that He has the full authority of God.

 

[Ricke]

David
Correct on question #1 partially correct on question #2.It does mean God's Power, but Jesus is not sitting next to Person# 1, in heaven. There is only ONE Throne and Jesus is the only one on it.( Revelation 20 v 10) secondly, Jesus told us he has all the Power(Matthew 28 v 18-19). Now , if supposedly as you beleive there are 3 persons in the Godhead, then two of them are powerless, since Jesus declares he has all power.

To answer your question; if I want to find out what "thou" means compared to "you" I can reach over pick up my Webster's Dictionary, and read the definition. I personally take thou as meaning "you", or possibly plural in meaning such as speaking to a group. How did I do?

 

[phil36]

As someone said above the king James has a plethora of its own problems. and also the King James does not come from the best manuscripts. However on saying that there is nothing wrong with the King Kames, and, I also have a copy of the NIV, which is fine itself. I use the ESV and the NLT all fine

Here is a good example:

KJV :

But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

NIV :

If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.


Now you tell me, which one is easier understood??


And what about this one:

KJV:

And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

NIV:

Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle [a] and donkeys he will take for his own use.

Which is correct.. young men or cattle.. very similar words in Hebrew, its like Television and Telephone. the King James comes from less reliable later medieval manuscripts.

Blessings

Phil

 

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David
Correct on question #1 partially correct on question #2.It does mean God's Power, but Jesus is not sitting next to Person# 1, in heaven. There is only ONE Throne and Jesus is the only one on it.( Revelation 20 v 10) secondly, Jesus told us he has all the Power(Matthew 28 v 18-19). Now , if supposedly as you beleive there are 3 persons in the Godhead, then two of them are powerless, since Jesus declares he has all power.
Not really. You are confusing authority with power. You are also seeing the attributes of God as instinctive.

To answer your question; if I want to find out what "thou" means compared to "you" I can reach over pick up my Webster's Dictionary, and read the definition. I personally take thou as meaning "you", or possibly plural in meaning such as speaking to a group. How did I do?

Close but switched. Thou is singular, you is plural. What is intersing to me is that I gave you the question that I thought you were most likely to answer correctly, considering your theology, but you did not.

 

[Shard]

Ricke, why do you have to throw out your oneness theology in every thread? Except for the other five cultists that believe you it does nothing but create animosity