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VCO · Aug 11, 2014

Matthew 24:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

1 Timothy 1:19-20 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

Matthew 7:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Acts 20:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.

Flamingspirit · Aug 11, 2014

VCO said:

Matthew 24:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

1 Timothy 1:19-20 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

Matthew 7:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Acts 20:29-31 (HCSB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.

If a Mormon was injured in the street and you had the power to help him and save his life, would you do it? You can call me whatever you want. I'll let the truth speak for itself.

johnluke · Aug 11, 2014

Does this mean that there are no words to be added to the Bible after Proverbs 30:6? Because if that is what your interpretation of this scripture is telling us, there are a lot of good prophets that God will rebuke and will prove to be liars.

yogosans14 · Aug 12, 2014

Nice people with satanic doctrines.

johnluke · Aug 12, 2014

First of all, there is evidence that Revelations was not the last book that John wrote. Scholars say that 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John were all written later than Revelations. So if the Savior gave this warning to John in Revelations, why would John have simply ignored the warning to write 3 later books. This seems to be adding to his own prophetic book.

Second, the Book of Revelations was a stand-alone prophecy. When John finished this prophecy, he warned future people not to add or subtract words to/from his prophetic book. 200 years later when the first Bibles were being put together, the Book of Revelations was for many Bishops of the church too apocalyptic and strange, so they did not include it in their lists of approved NT reading. Only after time and much debate was Revelations added to the list and it became 1 book of of 27 individual letters that were bound together into the NT. It was even debated that it should not be the last book of the NT since it may not have been the last NT book written.
The warning of Revelations is for that book alone and not for the other 26 books of the NT, and certainly not for the whole Bible.

Thirdly, in Colossians 4:16 Paul is telling the saints to read this letter to the Colossians in the city of Laodicea, and that the letter written to the Laodiceans should be read by the Colossians. Well we have a problem. The letter to the Laodiceans got lost and has never been found. It was never added to the list of approved letters for the Bible. What would happen if it turned up in a tomb of some ancient Bishop or Pope and all of a sudden we have the letter to the Laodiceans. VCO, if you held true to your thoughts that the warning in Revelations meant for the whole Bible, you would have to deny this letter be read because that would be adding to the Bible. You would deny the wishes of Paul because of your awkward stance in the warning of Revelations.

Fourthly, there are many fine Christ-centered books that are written for our betterment. The Bible is first and foremost, but there are thousands of good books to supplement our reading of the Bible and help us understand the principles of the gospel and how to apply them to our lives. Fine examples of faith promoting experiences that encourage us to do more for the Kingdom of God and because we love Jesus. All of these good books, you must admit do not come under the warning of Revelations, because they are not adding to the book of Revelations. They are not adding to the Bible. They stand on their own, just as Revelations stand on its own.

So rethink your warnings, they are not as broad as you might think.

daniel606 · Aug 12, 2014

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Jesus also was accused of doing good works by the power of the devil. His response was that a house divided can not stand.

The whole reason for the Mormon church is to proclaim God and His Son Jesus Christ. The church is Christ-Centered.
All that the church does is in the name of Jesus Christ. We talk about Jesus Christ, we rejoice in Jesus Christ, we preach about Jesus Christ, we send our young men and women (150,000 all over the world) to teach and bear testimony and bring people to Jesus Christ, we prophecy of Jesus Christ for the purpose of letting our children and the world know what source they must look for a remission of sins.

If this is what you call satanic doctrine, that Jesus Christ gave his life so that we can have a remission of our sins and live with him throughout eternity, then rethink your position, it will not stand.

VCO · Aug 12, 2014

Flamingspirit said:

Of course I would! That is human nature. There is no hate in me, only a burning desire to share the TRUTH with you and them, and to WARN all of you about the REAL dangers of False Doctrines. I also have the power through the Holy Spirit in me to lead you to the Real Jesus, to receive the REAL JESUS CHRIST as LORD and MASTER; thereby saving your soul and spirit. Why would I want to do that?
Because I know absolutely for sure that the Mormon Jesus is a Counterfeit Christ.

Matthew 24:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

I also know for sure, that if you die believing in the False Christ, the Mormon Jesus, you will certainly spend eternity in the Lake of Fire, because a False Christ has no power to SAVE you. Please hear me out.

How do I know all this, because the mind of Real Jesus Christ is me, and I am in His Spiritual Body. How did that Happen? On the night of my third attempt at suicide, the last week of December 1977, the sinful pride of running my own life my own way, shattered and broke inside me. This RUSH of tremendous guilt over my whole lifestyle totally overwhelmed me, and I dropped to my knees weeping like a baby, and sobbing uncontrollably. I cried out to the GOD, "Lord forgive me! If you have a purpose for my life, then you will have to come into my life and run it, because I can't do it. I am making a total mess of it."

No one ever taught me to pray like that, and I believe the HOLY SPIRIT gave me that prayer when I needed it most. I knew I was totally surrendering control of my life, to Jesus Christ of the Bible, forever. Did He come into my life? OH YES, HE CERTAINLY DID! ALL OF HIM, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. You see there is ONLY ONE GOD anywhere and everywhere at all times. And that one GOD is made up of the three personages: the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.

That is the REAL JESUS, He is part of Yahweh. God the Holy Spirit created the body of Jesus in the Womb of Mary, so that part of Himself could enter that body, thereby making it possible thee HOLY IMMORTAL GOD, could lay down HIS life for our sins. Oh how totally different than the Mormon Jesus.

John 15:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] No one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends.

How do I know that three can be a single triune being? Because you are one.

You were created in the image of GOD, but:
GOD is holy and you are not.
GOD is all knowing and you are not.
GOD is omnipresent and you are not.
GOD is Creator and you are not.
GOD is all powerful and you are not.
GOD is the author of the BIBLE and you are not.

There is NOTHING about you that is in the image of GOD, except one thing.
YOU are a triune being, three parts that make up ONE human being:

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The night I surrendered control of my life to the REAL JESUS CHRIST, was when part of GOD HIMSELF, the HOLY SPIRIT to be exact took up residence in my Heart. In fact HE entered before I prayed, because the TREMENDOUS conviction of sin came in with HIM. It was like HIS GLORY put a SPOTLIGHT on every sin I had ever committed. THEN as I cried out for forgiveness, I received it and HE poured the LOVE of GOD into my heart.

Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

That LOVE of GOD produced the desire to surrender control of my life to the REAL JESUS CHRIST. Thus that too is part of the free Gift of GOD:

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

COME to the REAL JESUS CHRIST! I beg of you COME!
Before it is too late.

How do I know Hell is REAL?

Two of the nights that I attempted suicide, scared me way more than a man with a knife to my throat could ever scare me.
SHEAR TERROR overwhelmed me when I had the trigger half pulled with the pistol against my head. It was like I was standing in the Gates to HELL, ready to walk in, and I KNEW THE TORMENT WOULD BE FOREVER!

Thank GOD that HE saved me from myself, for HIS PURPOSES.

VCO · Aug 13, 2014

johnluke said:

Date of Writing:The Book of 3 John would most likely have been written at about the same time as John's other letters, 1 and 2 John, between A.D. 85-95.

Read more: Book of 3 John - Bible Survey

Today most scholars date the book of Revelation to late in the first century, during the reign of the Emperor Domitian. According to this view, it was written around A.D. 96.

Colossians 4:15-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Give my greetings to the brothers in Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her home.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] When this letter has been read among you, have it read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

WHAT, you didn't think I would CHECK your sources? BUSTED! Another untruth pedaled by the Mormon Church, it says FROM Laodicea, NOT TO Laodicea.

Believe what you want, but KNOW, you are now accountable for the TRUTH.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He.
No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Luke 2:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Matthew 24:24 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Revelation 22:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Both the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Anyone who hears should say, “Come!” And the one who is thirsty should come. Whoever desires should take the living water as a gift.

Repent and COME to the REAL JESUS, the JESUS CHRIST of the BIBLE.

VCO · Aug 13, 2014

For those who do not know this, there are still some very radical old style Mormon sects that do still practice the Doctrine of Blood Atonement. That is a teaching of Joseph Smith that says there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus Christ cannot atone for, and therefore his or her blood had to be spilled to save their soul. Brigham Young even taught Blood Atonement on several occasions.

Brigham Young taught, as recorded in the Mormon Journal of Discourse 4:220

“This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. . . ."

Brigham Young taught, as recorded in the Mormon Journal of Discourse 3:247

“You say, ‘That man ought to die for transgressing the law of God.’ Let me suppose a case. Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.”

As I stated in some of the radical Mormon old style Secs, Blood Atonement is Still practiced, as this short video documents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLpdx1-Lc8

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is that it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Here is a basic list of what true Christianity teaches as essential doctrine according to the Bible.

There is only one God in all existence (Exodus 20:1-4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).
Jesus is divine (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9)
Forgiveness of sins is by grace alone without works (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 3:28; 4:1-5)
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; Luke 24:39)
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4)
Mormonism denies that there is only one God in all existence and also denies the forgiveness of sins alone in Christ alone. Therefore, it is outside Christianity. It is not a Christian religion.

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation who was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator of all (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is (see also, false trinity)

Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, Mormonism is not Christian.

VCO · Aug 13, 2014

yogosans14 said:

I see I am not the only Night Owl that likes to do Bible Studies and Post in Forums late at night before I go to bed.

Welcome aboard Brother. I want to share with you an outstanding Blessing that I discovered three days ago. Emmy Kosgei's music videos on YouTube. She is a Baptist (if I remember right), from Kenya, Africa: She sings in her native language, praises to the Lord, but a lot of her videos have English sub-titles. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAkCRZaRDDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDy9TrvAWMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ilNQBDGb4

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

VCO said:

I see I am not the only Night Owl that likes to do Bible Studies and Post in Forums late at night before I go to bed.

Welcome aboard Brother. I want to share with you an outstanding Blessing that I discovered three days ago. Emmy Kosgei's music videos on YouTube. She is a Baptist (if I remember right), from Kenya, Africa: She sings in her native language, praises to the Lord, but a lot of her videos have English sub-titles. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAkCRZaRDDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDy9TrvAWMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ilNQBDGb4

Its never to late to expose dangerous doctrines and to present the truth of the real Jesus and the real Gospel

Flamingspirit · Aug 13, 2014

Mormon bashing late are we? Remember you'd help him if he's injured, then you would let him know he's going to hell when he's better?

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

Flamingspirit said:

Flamingspirit. In all due respect, I am not bashing you. I want to help you find freedom in the Christ. I do not want you to go to Hell by any means. I pray your eyes will be opened.

Flamingspirit · Aug 13, 2014

yogosans14 said:

I'm not a Mormon. I'm just stating that if Jesus can and will forgive them, why can't you?

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

Flamingspirit said:

Forgive them?They have done nothing wrong to me!The Bible tells us to expose dangerous unbiblical doctrines. And they can ONLY be forgiven by accepting the true Jesus. Not "satans brother" but God in the flesh.

God bless.

Flamingspirit · Aug 13, 2014

yogosans14 said:

No, it tells you to forgive, even your enemies. Knowledge puffs up.

yogosans14 · Aug 13, 2014

Flamingspirit said:

Um, they are not my enemies. I dont need to forgive therm because they have done me no wrong. I just want to share the Gospel with them, is that so bad?

Flamingspirit · Aug 13, 2014

yogosans14 said:

The gospel is good news, not condemnation.

Whatever they teach, how does it effect your life? They take care of their families just as you do.

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