Because of who the coming Antichrist represents, regardless that he will center his control over the world from Jerusalem, does in fact determine where the Harlot city will be. As far as the nation state of Israel is involved, the majority of them will be deceived into supporting that coming Antichrist as their Messiah, thus putting Jerusalem and the state again under the same old falling away to false worship against God that their fathers did in Old Testament times. Those like myself who heed God's prophecies in His Word and from His Son will be hated even more when those events actually occur in our near future. So hate this all you want now, or hate it all you want later, because God has ordained these things to come to pass in the end, and neither you nor I, nor the people of Israel will be able to do anything about it.
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Oh boy, another misguided soul. 
Don't mean to sound harsh friend, but there is so much error in what you just said above it grieves the Spirit. First off antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world as is also written. (scripture says the same) The doctrine of "Antichrist" being a single man figure yet to come in the future and sit in a brick and mortar future Temple is false doctrine contrived by carnally minded men.
Also the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, confirmed by Jesus with the destruction of the Temple, and Daniels 70th week has already been fulfilled. I consider anyone who says the 70th week of Daniel is not fulfilled as a heretic because of what took place in the last 70th week of that prophecy. In the middle of the 70th week Messiah was crucified and the New Covenant was sealed and confirmed in his disciples. So those who reject the 70th week as being fulfilled, also reject Christ was crucified and established the New Covenant in that same 70th week, thus I consider that doctrine heresy.
Also the Lords 2 witnesses(Word and Spirit) are not 2 single individual flesh and blood men, they are the 2 Olive trees and 2 Candlesticks that feed the golden oil out of them to light the 7 lamps (7 spirits of God) if you understood this you would know 2 flesh and blood men do not feed the golden oil to the 7 spirits of God. The Lords 2 witnesses are in all those saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The book of Revelation is very, very symbolic in its wording, and the carnal mind (natural man) is unable to discern and interpret all those many symbolisms because he only knows what he knows naturally. Only by having the mind of Christ and the Spirit of His wisdom will one be able to understand all the many symbolisms.
Don't mean to sound harsh friend, but there is so much error in what you just said above it grieves the Spirit. First off antichrist is a spirit that works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world as is also written. (scripture says the same) The doctrine of "Antichrist" being a single man figure yet to come in the future and sit in a brick and mortar future Temple is false doctrine contrived by carnally minded men.Also the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, confirmed by Jesus with the destruction of the Temple, and Daniels 70th week has already been fulfilled. I consider anyone who says the 70th week of Daniel is not fulfilled as a heretic because of what took place in the last 70th week of that prophecy. In the middle of the 70th week Messiah was crucified and the New Covenant was sealed and confirmed in his disciples. So those who reject the 70th week as being fulfilled, also reject Christ was crucified and established the New Covenant in that same 70th week, thus I consider that doctrine heresy.
Also the Lords 2 witnesses(Word and Spirit) are not 2 single individual flesh and blood men, they are the 2 Olive trees and 2 Candlesticks that feed the golden oil out of them to light the 7 lamps (7 spirits of God) if you understood this you would know 2 flesh and blood men do not feed the golden oil to the 7 spirits of God. The Lords 2 witnesses are in all those saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The book of Revelation is very, very symbolic in its wording, and the carnal mind (natural man) is unable to discern and interpret all those many symbolisms because he only knows what he knows naturally. Only by having the mind of Christ and the Spirit of His wisdom will one be able to understand all the many symbolisms.
Around 170 B.C., Antiochus IV took Jerusalem, went inside the 2nd temple and sacrificed swine on the altar and spread its broth inside the temple, and then setup a idol to Zeus worship, commanded all to bow to it. That was the closest blueprint of events to fit the Dan.11 prophecies of the "vile person". However, around 200 years later at Jesus' first coming, He pointed to the event of that "abomination of desolation" occurring some time in the future to His disciples while upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the temple mount complex of buildings.
In 70 A.D., the temple burned down before the Romans could seize control of it. NO "abomination of desolation" happened in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Thus the "abomination of desolation" prophecy, which involves a idol placed in a standing temple in Jerusalem, is still yet to be fulfilled.
In the Dan.12 Scripture, end time markers are given that solidly support the coming of a final false one that will place the abomination that makes desolate. In Matt.24 and Mark 13, Jesus warned of that coming false one to Jerusalem, which is the same false one Apostle Paul warned about at the end of this world sitting in the temple of God showing himself that he is God, per the 2 Thess.2 Scripture.
Thus the heresy is yours, because of trying to hide what the Daniel prophecies are really about involving Jerusalem in the end of days just prior to Christ's second coming.
Rejecting the truth or your truth? Your interpretation of what the scriptures are and mine could be completely different however to say that any view other than your own and what you believe to be heresy is not how one who studies bible prophecy speaks.
In studying bible prophecy and the bible in general one cannot stubbornly hold to their own belief and views of what the scriptures say because then you have the I am right and you are wrong attitude and thus even if your view or understanding of the scriptures which is the truth in your eyes but is in fact not the truth at all you will remain blind to it and cannot learn.
This is the mistake many make in studying the scriptures, I cannot say that all my beliefs and views are correct nor can I say my interpretation of the bible is the truth because I know that to know God and grow as a believer and also to understand the bible and it's truth one must have a breakable and teachable heart and must be willing to humbly admit that they may be wrong. I learned this lesson and put it into practice with only three years of experience in faith how much more should one who has been in this game much longer know and put into practice this lesson?
In studying bible prophecy and the bible in general one cannot stubbornly hold to their own belief and views of what the scriptures say because then you have the I am right and you are wrong attitude and thus even if your view or understanding of the scriptures which is the truth in your eyes but is in fact not the truth at all you will remain blind to it and cannot learn.
This is the mistake many make in studying the scriptures, I cannot say that all my beliefs and views are correct nor can I say my interpretation of the bible is the truth because I know that to know God and grow as a believer and also to understand the bible and it's truth one must have a breakable and teachable heart and must be willing to humbly admit that they may be wrong. I learned this lesson and put it into practice with only three years of experience in faith how much more should one who has been in this game much longer know and put into practice this lesson?
I agree that Israel and Jerusalem will are indeed a major piece and part of the end times and in bible prophecy, the fact that Israel is threatened to be utterly destroyed and that several attempt have already been made just as the scriptures said would happen proves this however if the man of sin not only comes from Israel but but will deceive Israel then how is America involved in all this? Israel while a powerful and influential nation holds much less power and control over the other nations than the united states and even if the antichrist did this in Israel why would this affect us in the united states?
The only person I can see as anyone who can fit the Antichrists shoes in Israel is the pope and tbh I haven't seen him fulfill a single prophecy of the antichrist and also we have to consider the beast and the false prophet as well. I hope you don't see me as argumentative or I am right and you are wrong I am just tryng to understand all of this, I could be wrong for all I know but I want to be shown the evidence because I am not one to blindly believe what I am told I do deep research and line up the facts along with the scriptures. Although I admit I have not done deep research on the antichrist and the harlot fo babylon yet
The only person I can see as anyone who can fit the Antichrists shoes in Israel is the pope and tbh I haven't seen him fulfill a single prophecy of the antichrist and also we have to consider the beast and the false prophet as well. I hope you don't see me as argumentative or I am right and you are wrong I am just tryng to understand all of this, I could be wrong for all I know but I want to be shown the evidence because I am not one to blindly believe what I am told I do deep research and line up the facts along with the scriptures. Although I admit I have not done deep research on the antichrist and the harlot fo babylon yet
Let me be blunt, are you really that spiritually thick?
Rev 11v8 CLEARLY states "and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." (Jerusalem and NOWHERE else!) "The city, the great one," is not only called "Sodom" and "Egypt", but also "Babylon", "harlot" and "woman arrayed in purple and scarlet", these names are given to Jerusalem to show her condition under Antichrist during the Great Tribulation... Rev 14v8, 17v1,4,5,18
By rejecting what the Scripture clearly reveals, YOU are taking away from this prophecy, which the Lord says He will deal most severely with! Rev 22v18,19
READ WHAT IS WRITTEN AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO READ!
For those interested have a look Here
Rev 11v8 CLEARLY states "and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." (Jerusalem and NOWHERE else!) "The city, the great one," is not only called "Sodom" and "Egypt", but also "Babylon", "harlot" and "woman arrayed in purple and scarlet", these names are given to Jerusalem to show her condition under Antichrist during the Great Tribulation... Rev 14v8, 17v1,4,5,18
By rejecting what the Scripture clearly reveals, YOU are taking away from this prophecy, which the Lord says He will deal most severely with! Rev 22v18,19
READ WHAT IS WRITTEN AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO READ!
For those interested have a look Here
I know the 70 week prophecy of Daniel very well, and it is fulfilled like I said. There is no such thing as a floating or suspended week (7 years) in that prophecy, that is just confused doctrine and a lie by, and for those who are deceived and confused. By the way Babylon means confusion.
Jesus told which Temple was to be destroyed to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel. IT WAS THE ONE THE DISCIPLES AND JESUS WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
Pay attention to the question by the disciples and the answer Jesus gave them.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the destruction of the temple they were looking at, but also about the end of the world.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Now to Luke's account.
Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
Not hard to grasp really, history also confirms the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel and also confirmed by Jesus in the above verses.
Jesus told which Temple was to be destroyed to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel. IT WAS THE ONE THE DISCIPLES AND JESUS WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
Pay attention to the question by the disciples and the answer Jesus gave them.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the destruction of the temple they were looking at, but also about the end of the world.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Now to Luke's account.
Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
Not hard to grasp really, history also confirms the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel and also confirmed by Jesus in the above verses.
K
Why would I lean elsewhere when OT prophecies list Muslim countries, and customs they still adhere to ?
The scripture say all who mourns her destruction will throw dust on their heads. Christians, Catholics, nor any other group does this.
It is only a Muslim custom, and only one place will be mourned by all Muslims if destroyed; Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
Mecca also means mother.
Notice the final beast system in Revelation is the 4 beasts of Daniel combined.
Those beasts represents past literal empires. When we look on a map today the country's those empires were over have one thing in common:
They are completely or mostly Muslim populated !!!
I'm thick enough to know that the city of Jerusalem is not Sodom or Egypt spiritually. And I'm thick enough to know that the Lord was not actually crucified inside the city walls of Jerusalem. And again, antichrist is a spirit that has already come and works in many as the scriptures plainly say, how thick is that eh?
And if want to know the mystery about the 2 Olive trees and 2 candlesticks look here for those who are interested...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
And again, antichrist is a spirit that has already come and works in many as the scriptures plainly say, how thick is that eh? And if want to know the mystery about the 2 Olive trees and 2 candlesticks look here for those who are interested...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
I've thrown dust on my head, does that make me Muslim? LOL!
Joshua and the elders of Israel put dust upon their heads, are they Muslim?
Joshua 7:6
And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the Lord until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads.
Like I said before, the language used in the book of Revelation is found in other parts of scripture. The part about the merchants being like ships in the sea is found in the story of the fall of Tyrus. The weeping and wailing and the casting the dust upon their heads is shown there as well.
Ezekiel 27:25-32
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Thy rowers have brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The suburbs shall shake at the sound of the cry of thy pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And all that handle the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the sea, shall come down from their ships, they shall stand upon the land;
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And they shall make themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And in their wailing they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee, saying, What city is like Tyrus, like the destroyed in the midst of the sea?
So saying these merchants of the sea are only Muslim because it is only a Muslim custom is a weak argument.
Joshua and the elders of Israel put dust upon their heads, are they Muslim?
Joshua 7:6
And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the Lord until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads.
Like I said before, the language used in the book of Revelation is found in other parts of scripture. The part about the merchants being like ships in the sea is found in the story of the fall of Tyrus. The weeping and wailing and the casting the dust upon their heads is shown there as well.
Ezekiel 27:25-32
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Thy rowers have brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the midst of the seas.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The suburbs shall shake at the sound of the cry of thy pilots.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And all that handle the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the sea, shall come down from their ships, they shall stand upon the land;
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And they shall make themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And in their wailing they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee, saying, What city is like Tyrus, like the destroyed in the midst of the sea?
So saying these merchants of the sea are only Muslim because it is only a Muslim custom is a weak argument.
You are still... looking at things as they are right now and making your Biblical comparisons; you are too early.
This is not going to be an event affecting only the lands of Israel:
Rev 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
KJV
Rev 13:7-8
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
Power over all nations on this earth is what the globalist's goal of a one-world government has been about. The Communist International also has that same goal. And so do the leaders of orthodox Judaism who reject Christ Jesus. And so do the occult secret societies. That false one will deceive those first three groups, but not the last group, for that last group knows who is coming, and they worship that little 'rock' instead of God our Rock.
Only God's elect the He has sealed for the end will not worship that coming beast king, and that's not going to be a large number of people.
This is not going to be an event affecting only the lands of Israel:
Rev 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
KJV
Rev 13:7-8
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
Power over all nations on this earth is what the globalist's goal of a one-world government has been about. The Communist International also has that same goal. And so do the leaders of orthodox Judaism who reject Christ Jesus. And so do the occult secret societies. That false one will deceive those first three groups, but not the last group, for that last group knows who is coming, and they worship that little 'rock' instead of God our Rock.
Only God's elect the He has sealed for the end will not worship that coming beast king, and that's not going to be a large number of people.
I know the 70 week prophecy of Daniel very well, and it is fulfilled like I said. There is no such thing as a floating or suspended week (7 years) in that prophecy, that is just confused doctrine and a lie by, and for those who are deceived and confused. By the way Babylon means confusion.
Jesus told which Temple was to be destroyed to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel. IT WAS THE ONE THE DISCIPLES AND JESUS WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
Pay attention to the question by the disciples and the answer Jesus gave them.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Jesus told which Temple was to be destroyed to fulfill the AOD spoken of by Daniel. IT WAS THE ONE THE DISCIPLES AND JESUS WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
Pay attention to the question by the disciples and the answer Jesus gave them.....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Here is the Matt.24 version of the disciples question and Jesus' answer:
Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
KJV
The Western Wall of the old temple mount complex is still standing there today. There are STILL stones there stacked on top of another. Thus that Matt.24:2 prophecy was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D., nor today.
The last sign Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse was the sign of His second coming, and gathering of His saints. That is the timing His disciples were asking Him about in that Matt.24:3 verse.
Jesus did NOT make any temporary covenant in Jerusalem, and then break it in the midst of Daniel's final "one week" that the false one of Daniel 9 is to do. The New Covenant is an everlasting Covenant. The covenant mentioned in Dan.9 the false one is to make is the "league" the "vile person" of Dan.11 makes in the end. Your idea that Daniel's final symbolic "one week" was fulfilled by Christ is a doctrine of men, and not what that Scripture declares.
What is the main event of the Rev.12:7-9 Scripture? How is it you have not understood that coming event?
What was the main event of the false one God gave as a proverb in Isaiah 14:5-17? Who was God actually speaking about in those 5-17 verses? How is it you have not understood that?
Likewise in Ezekiel 28 about the anointed cherub that was in God's Garden of Eden, how is it that you have not understood who that is really about?
What was the main event of the false one God gave as a proverb in Isaiah 14:5-17? Who was God actually speaking about in those 5-17 verses? How is it you have not understood that?
Likewise in Ezekiel 28 about the anointed cherub that was in God's Garden of Eden, how is it that you have not understood who that is really about?
I'm thick enough to know that the city of Jerusalem is not Sodom or Egypt spiritually. And I'm thick enough to know that the Lord was not actually crucified inside the city walls of Jerusalem. And again, antichrist is a spirit that has already come and works in many as the scriptures plainly say, how thick is that eh?
And if want to know the mystery about the 2 Olive trees and 2 candlesticks look here for those who are interested...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
And again, antichrist is a spirit that has already come and works in many as the scriptures plainly say, how thick is that eh? And if want to know the mystery about the 2 Olive trees and 2 candlesticks look here for those who are interested...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
You have wilfully closed your eyes to revealed truth and substituted it with your own man made unscriptural traditions by applying a "spiritual" interpretation and NOT a literal one!
You demonstrate your real ineptness in dividing the word of God by your statement:
"to know that the Lord was not actually crucified inside the city walls of Jerusalem."
Rev 11v8 simply states:
"...where their Lord was crucified."
The fact that Our Lord was crucified outside the city walls of Jerusalem doesn't change the fact that He was crucified AT Jerusalem! lol
"the city of Jerusalem is not Sodom or Egypt spiritually."
Jerusalem is called "Sodom" and "Egypt" to describe its spiritual and moral condition under Antichrist during the Great Tribulation...
"...antichrist is a spirit that has already come and works in many..."
The "spirit of antichrist" refers to not only the satanic being that energises the Antichrist (and all those who deny that Christ came in a true humanity), but to also Antichrist himself. The fact that Antichrist IS an individual is clearly shown in 2John v7, Rev 13 (all), 2Thess 2v1-12.
Jesus words were very clear on what Temple He and the disciples WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES. Jesus did not say.... See all these great buildings, well these are not the ones that are going to be destroyed, BUT another Temple that is going to be built some 2,000 years or so later will fulfill the AOD. LOL!
And the outer wall is not the Temple Jesus and the disciples WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES. It always amazes me how people will ignore the plain words of Jesus in order to keep their false doctrine alive.
And no Jesus did not make a temporary Covenant, that is your own twist on scripture. But Jesus did confirm (H1396) bring into force or strengthen the New Covenant with many in the final week of that prophecy.
To confirm a Covenant means to strengthen it (of force) which happened in the 70th week as it is written.... Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
The word confirm (H1396) in Daniel 9:27 is also shown as strengthen
The KJV translates Strongs H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).
Bible Usage...
to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
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Jesus did not say.... See all these great buildings, well these are not the ones that are going to be destroyed, BUT another Temple that is going to be built some 2,000 years or so later will fulfill the AOD. LOL! And the outer wall is not the Temple Jesus and the disciples WERE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
It always amazes me how people will ignore the plain words of Jesus in order to keep their false doctrine alive.And no Jesus did not make a temporary Covenant, that is your own twist on scripture. But Jesus did confirm (H1396) bring into force or strengthen the New Covenant with many in the final week of that prophecy.
To confirm a Covenant means to strengthen it (of force) which happened in the 70th week as it is written.... Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
The word confirm (H1396) in Daniel 9:27 is also shown as strengthen
The KJV translates Strongs H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).
Bible Usage...
to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
(Qal)- to be strong, mighty
- to prevail
- (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
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My eyes of understanding have been enlightened by the Spirit to know the many mysteries of the Kingdom. We who are born of God are taught by God, and not by men. We speak what the Holy Spirit teaches, not what carnally minded men teach.
We compare spiritual things with spiritual by way of the Holy Spirit....
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man (natural brute beast) cannot receive the things of the Spirit, nor understand because it is spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
And the point you were trying make was the Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, but I spoke the truth when I said he was actually crucified outside of the city. Hebrews 13:12 "Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate."
What I said was true, what you suggested was false.
Also there is no scripture that even suggests antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future and sit in an imaginary Temple men have contrived from a wild imagination and a total lack of understanding scripture.
Here are all the verses that mention antichrist....
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The antichrist spirit is a single lying spirit that works in many deceivers. To say antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future is false doctrine, and is not of the Truth.
We compare spiritual things with spiritual by way of the Holy Spirit....
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man (natural brute beast) cannot receive the things of the Spirit, nor understand because it is spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
And the point you were trying make was the Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, but I spoke the truth when I said he was actually crucified outside of the city. Hebrews 13:12 "Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate."
What I said was true, what you suggested was false.
Also there is no scripture that even suggests antichrist is a single man figure yet to come in the future and sit in an imaginary Temple men have contrived from a wild imagination and a total lack of understanding scripture.
Here are all the verses that mention antichrist....
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The antichrist spirit is a single lying spirit that works in many deceivers. To say antichrist is a flesh and blood man yet to come in the future is false doctrine, and is not of the Truth.
It's about what Satan originally did when he fell. He coveted God's Throne. He wanted to be The GOD. God created Satan an anointed cherub to guard His Throne (Ezek.28). Yet God judged him and sentenced him to death, and gave him power of death, which will also perish with him eventually in the future lake of fire after Christ's future thousand years reign (Rev.20).
That was also his temptation upon Adam and Eve, telling them they would be like God, knowing good and evil.
Then throughout this world's history, Satan through his followers have attempted to setup a kingdom to mimic God's Kingdom.
Ancient Sumer-Babylon became the origin on earth of idol worship to Satan (Bel which means 'dragon', another title for the devil). Sargon I, of ancient Sumer, was the first to institute idol worship to Bel on earth. This became the root of all later idol worship against God.
Jerusalem is God's most favorite place on earth, because that's where He chose to put His Name, and dwell forever.
Babylon is from the word babel which means confusion. In the last days, God is going to allow Satan to attempt to establish another mimic of God's Kingdom at Jerusalem, to deceive the whole world except God's elect whom He called and chose. The Mystery is that the majority of the world are not aware Satan is going to do this in Jerusalem prior to our Lord Jesus' second coming.
That was also his temptation upon Adam and Eve, telling them they would be like God, knowing good and evil.
Then throughout this world's history, Satan through his followers have attempted to setup a kingdom to mimic God's Kingdom.
Ancient Sumer-Babylon became the origin on earth of idol worship to Satan (Bel which means 'dragon', another title for the devil). Sargon I, of ancient Sumer, was the first to institute idol worship to Bel on earth. This became the root of all later idol worship against God.
Jerusalem is God's most favorite place on earth, because that's where He chose to put His Name, and dwell forever.
Babylon is from the word babel which means confusion. In the last days, God is going to allow Satan to attempt to establish another mimic of God's Kingdom at Jerusalem, to deceive the whole world except God's elect whom He called and chose. The Mystery is that the majority of the world are not aware Satan is going to do this in Jerusalem prior to our Lord Jesus' second coming.
Sorry that it upsets you so, that future Jerusalem at the end before Christ's coming will fall away to idol worship like it did of old. Your brethren have spent a lot... of effort to re-establish the nation of Israel today, but the majority of them still reject our Lord Jesus Christ, so that event is apparently necessary to get their attention. And it will, even as Jesus said to the women that wept for Him on His way to be crucified, that the time will come when they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the paps who did not give suck, and they will then want the hills and mountains to fall upon them due to their shame when Jesus comes and reveals Himself to them.
You don't have to fall away with them in that, it's your choice. But they will not be alone in that, because all nations will be subject to that falling away to the coming Antichrist in Jerusalem also.
You don't have to fall away with them in that, it's your choice. But they will not be alone in that, because all nations will be subject to that falling away to the coming Antichrist in Jerusalem also.
K
Mystery Babylon is not Jerusalem.
Read Isaiah 21 as that chapter gives insight to its location, and religious system.
The placing Jerusalem as Babylon comes from out of the false replacement theology.
Jerusalem is not destroyed by the antichrist. He invades and takes over Jerusalem.
When the Lord returns and the battle of Armageddon ensues Jerusalem is still standing.
Where do you think Jesus rules from during the millennium ???
New Jerusalem comes after the millennium.
Read Isaiah 21 as that chapter gives insight to its location, and religious system.
The placing Jerusalem as Babylon comes from out of the false replacement theology.
Jerusalem is not destroyed by the antichrist. He invades and takes over Jerusalem.
When the Lord returns and the battle of Armageddon ensues Jerusalem is still standing.
Where do you think Jesus rules from during the millennium ???
New Jerusalem comes after the millennium.