Moving on to Genius chapter 3

[The_Watchers_2017]

First the me there is Eve and if you read the Genesis 3:13 which I referenced: And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
You want to throw stones but if you were a true and loving Christian brother or sister and you thought I was so wrong then you would show me from the bible and help me understand. Your words show that you could careless or do not have the knowledge or the tools to prove me wrong or to help me out and show me from scripture just where I am off base.

throw stones at a glass house, never!

you are claiming sexual appetite [i did eat] result = Cain.

maybe we need to dump your demonic Septuagint and Masoretic Old Testament for what God really told Moses?

וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהֹוָ֧ה אֱלֹהִ֛ים לָאִשָּׁ֖ה מַה־זֹּ֣את עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה הַנָּחָ֥שׁ הִשִּׁיאַ֖נִי וָאֹכֵֽל׃
And God יהוה said to the woman, “What is this you have done!” The woman replied, “The serpent duped me, and I ate.”

13 And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent tricked me, and I ate." יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהֹוָ֧ה אֱלֹהִ֛ים לָֽאִשָּׁ֖ה מַה־זֹּ֣את עָשִׂ֑ית וַתֹּ֨אמֶר֙ הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה הַנָּחָ֥שׁ הִשִּׁיאַ֖נִי וָֽאֹכֵֽל:


DUPED and TRICKED mean SAME THING = NOT SEXUAL AT ALL!


i do wonder that you might know about the Correct Hebrew Translation, but enjoy your idealism, behind beguiled meaning Satan raped Eve. Which could indeed make you a hidden racist.

 

[PennEd]

If you are willing to take a lesson in the Hebrew and the Greek, I will gladly show it to you.

You are ignoring the crystal clear text that says Cain is the offspring of Adam and Eve procreating him.


Genesis 4:1

New King James Version
4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.”

You cannot twist the fact that Scripture says RIGHT THERE, that Adam "knew", had sex with Eve, and Cain was the result of that.

 

[KeithB]

Jews and Egyptians have over 20 different shades and complexions.
caucasian peoples have several shades of their own pigmentation.
every race literally has multiple shades to it that will make one think they could be something else.

Shades yes but still the same race. The point I am trying to make is that to people of the same race whether it be Oriental, Jewish, American Indian ECT. cannot have children of a different race. Two Oriental people can produce a Jewish person. Two American Indians cannot produce a child from India. We could go on and on.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Shades yes but still the same race. The point I am trying to make is that to people of the same race whether it be Oriental, Jewish, American Indian ECT. cannot have children of a different race. Two Oriental people can produce a Jewish person. Two American Indians cannot produce a child from India. We could go on and on.

not since Tower of Babel:

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

before that, the only separation of Race would be human from Nephilim.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

not since Tower of Babel:

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

before that, the only separation of Race would be human from Nephilim.

this DESTROYS anything that could ever be connected to CAIN

WHY?

BECAUSE it WAS GOD who changed the RACES at TOWER of BABEL not some Sexual Encounter between Satan and Eve.

almost need to go see a shrink to think someone could even imagine with a Sound Mind and be thinking it is possible that Satan and Eve got it on!

 

[KeithB]

You are ignoring the crystal clear text that says Cain is the offspring of Adam and Eve procreating him.


Genesis 4:1

New King James Version
4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.”

You cannot twist the fact that Scripture says RIGHT THERE, that Adam "knew", had sex with Eve, and Cain was the result of that.

Read the rest of that passage and she again bare his brother Abel. That word in the Hebrew means to continue so she gave birth to Cain, and she then continued and gave birth to Able, she had twins but from two different fathers as I have shown you from the Hebrew and the Greek, from scripture. So you do not believe Paul when He says in 2nd Corinthians 11 that he wants to present them to Christ as a chaste virgin not as Eve who was beguiled wholly subducted by the serpent. Who is the serpent? It is Satan, the devil, the antichrist, and several other names.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Read the rest of that passage and she again bare his brother Abel. That word in the Hebrew means to continue so she gave birth to Cain, and she then continued and gave birth to Able, she had twins but from two different fathers as I have shown you from the Hebrew and the Greek, from scripture. So you do not believe Paul when He says in 2nd Corinthians 11 that he wants to present them to Christ as a chaste virgin not as Eve who was beguiled wholly subducted by the serpent. Who is the serpent? It is Satan, the devil, the antichrist, and several other names.

3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning

where is beguiled ever used, but in the satanic Septuagint, to which, you seem to be very devoted to?

from our truest and oldest 3rd Century Greek:
3 I fear, however, lest perhaps, as the serpent completely deceived Eve in his craftiness

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

btw, Paul is talking about FALSE PROPHETS being LIARS and saying Satan is a LIAR and False Prophets are the SAME as Satan...LIARS!!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

this concept of Cain, Eve, Satan, comes from a LYING FALSE PROPHET!

 

[KeithB]

this DESTROYS anything that could ever be connected to CAIN

WHY?

BECAUSE it WAS GOD who changed the RACES at TOWER of BABEL not some Sexual Encounter between Satan and Eve.

almost need to go see a shrink to think someone could even imagine with a Sound Mind and be thinking it is possible that Satan and Eve got it on!

New International Version
That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

New Living Translation
That is why the city was called Babel, because that is where the LORD confused the people with different languages. In this way he scattered them all over the world.

English Standard Version
Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth. And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Berean Standard Bible
That is why it is called Babel, for there the LORD confused the language of the whole world, and from that place the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.

King James Bible
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Just here do you get races from languages. The people all had the same language up to that point, not the same race. God scatters the people all over the world. the people all the different races except one. The Jews. Then He goes back to the genealogy of Adam to Noah then Shem to Abram. This line this genealogy that would become the Jewish people seem too same to stay in geographical location.

 

[KeithB]

this concept of Cain, Eve, Satan, comes from a LYING FALSE PROPHET!

What LYING FALSE PROPHET would that be the same one that changed the word language to race concerning the tower of Bable

 

[KeithB]

I was looking for an open intelligent bible discussion but instead I get language turned into race.

 

[PennEd]

That word in the Hebrew means to continue so she gave birth to Cain, and she then continued and gave birth to Able, she had twins but from two different fathers

I have rarely seen Scripture twisted to this magnitude before to support what I believe is pure heresy.


NOWHERE, does the text say Satan had sex with Eve. Yet it clearly says Adam had sex with Eve, and the very next thing it says is that BECAUSE of that sex between Adam & Eve, Cain was conceived.

In addition, a woman cannot get pregnant again, after she is with child.

Plus, your assertion that the Pharisees were physically descended from Satan, is another heresy, as Jesus Himself says they were descended from ABRAHAM their father.

They were SPIRITUAL children of Satan, NOT physical.

I'm thinking you likely won't be here long, so ya might as well get it all out now.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

New International Version
That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

New Living Translation
That is why the city was called Babel, because that is where the LORD confused the people with different languages. In this way he scattered them all over the world.

English Standard Version
Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth. And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Berean Standard Bible
That is why it is called Babel, for there the LORD confused the language of the whole world, and from that place the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.

King James Bible
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Just here do you get races from languages. The people all had the same language up to that point, not the same race. God scatters the people all over the world. the people all the different races except one. The Jews. Then He goes back to the genealogy of Adam to Noah then Shem to Abram. This line this genealogy that would become the Jewish people seem too same to stay in geographical location.

like I said, you don't even know how to READ Deuteronomy correctly and you wonder why we think you're trying to deceive us with the Serpent Seed Theology.


now, this is what the Hebrew people broke down Deuteronomy to mean:
8 "When 'The MOST HIGH GOD gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race:

THIS IS ABOUT RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What LYING FALSE PROPHET would that be

YOU!

 

[VARob]

If you are willing to take a lesson in the Hebrew and the Greek, I will gladly show it to you. We will also look at the line of Adam and follow it to see if we find Cain there. Genesis 3:13 The serpent beguiled me, # 5377 this meaning appears only once in the Old Testament, and it is in this verse. Meaning to delude or morally seduce. In other words to have sex with.
Then let's go see what the New Testament has to say. Paul is speaking here so I will take him at his word, I see no reason to question him. 2nd Corinthians 11:2&3 2. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Verse 2 Espoused you to one husband: #718 betroth. Paul wants to present the church at Corinth and all the others as a virgin bride to Christ. Verse 3 "As the serpent beguiled Eve: Beguiled #1818 in the Greek Exapataó to seduce wholly.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
How is it that Jesus could call these scribes and Pharisees children of the devil or Ye are of your father the devil.
Last thing lets look at Adams line in Genesis 5: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: Able is not listed because he was killed by his twin brother before he had any children. Where is Cain did God make a mistake and just leave him out.
I may have misspoken I have two more thing that we need to go into, the birth of Caine and Able.
Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And again: we need to look at that word in the Hebrew because it does not translate to good. Again 3254 in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary yacaph A primitive root to add or augment (often adverb to continue to do a thing) What thing did she continue to do? Give birth to a second man child Able.
They were twins.
I want to go back to chapter 3 we looked at the word beguiled but I want to go down to verse 15 this is the very first prophecy in the bible.
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Between thy seed: There were 2 seed lines in the womb of Eve and they would always be at war with each other.
I hope this will help you understand where I am coming from with this, it all comes from the bible and not my own interoperation.

I may have misspoken

Yes. Exceedingly so. Stop trying to use the Bible to support your racism.

it all comes from the bible and not my own interoperation.

Wrong.

 

[Mii]

clearly, you have no idea what you are even proposing here.

i raise and breed tibetan mastiffs.

origins: before DOMESTICATED DOGS there was only WOLVES

I'm pretty confused man...What is it you think I'm proposing? I am meaning no offense with the following...




For the record (it is a shame that misunderstandings occur so easily it seems) MICROevolution is within a species. Example: Dogs come from the the same species (Canis) as far as I'm aware. A dog breeding with a wolf is within the species CANIS (dingos, coyotos, etc.)

I wouldn't go as far as to simply call this "genetic breeding" because there are other factors involved with adaptability. You can also see this with disease resistance. Consider the conquistadors wiping out native Americans with smallpox.


I am NOT purporting Macroevolution in what I posted (which is what most people probably think of when they hear the term evolution)


So it seems I'm proposing the same thing that you are but I'm using different terminology.


Macroevolution is the theory of evolution. An ENTIRELY different subject. The idea that humans came from the oceans hundreds of millions of years ago etcetera etcetera by random chance. This theory appears to be antithetical to creation and frankly I have little interest in engaging it at this time.


If you don't want to look into it that's fine but I felt that I should at least clarify publicly what the terms mean before people "cry wolf"

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I'm pretty confused man...What is it you think I'm proposing? I am meaning no offense with the following...




For the record (it is a shame that misunderstandings occur so easily it seems) MICROevolution is within a species. Example: Dogs come from the the same species (Canis) as far as I'm aware. A dog breeding with a wolf is within the species CANIS (dingos, coyotos, etc.)

I wouldn't go as far as to simply call this "genetic breeding" because there are other factors involved with adaptability. You can also see this with disease resistance. Consider the conquistadors wiping out native Americans with smallpox.


I am NOT purporting Macroevolution in what I posted (which is what most people probably think of when they hear the term evolution)


So it seems I'm proposing the same thing that you are but I'm using different terminology.


Macroevolution is the theory of evolution. An ENTIRELY different subject. The idea that humans came from the oceans hundreds of millions of years ago etcetera etcetera by random chance. This theory appears to be antithetical to creation and frankly I have little interest in engaging it at this time.


If you don't want to look into it that's fine but I felt that I should at least clarify publicly what the terms mean before people "cry wolf"

i can admit assumption, if you truly did not mean that you believe a teacup poodle is the natural result from macroevolution.

truth be told, i absolutely believe in macroevolution when dealing with microorganism's. i just don't think it should be placed into context for how a teacup poodle came to existence.

 

[KeithB]

Yes. Exceedingly so. Stop trying to use the Bible to support your racism.

Wrong.

I am in no way a racist, I have not said one thing that should make you thank that. The closing verse of Genesis 1.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
There is no way that someone of any race can love and serve God and hate his brother or sister nonmatter what race they are.
There are good and bad in every race and I do not want any part of any body that is bad, evil, wants to do harm to another in any way, shape, or form.
If my saying that 2 people of one race can have a child of another race is a racist statement in your eyes that is your problem not mine.

 

[VARob]

I am in no way a racist, I have not said one thing that should make you thank that. The closing verse of Genesis 1.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
There is no way that someone of any race can love and serve God and hate his brother or sister nonmatter what race they are.
There are good and bad in every race and I do not want any part of any body that is bad, evil, wants to do harm to another in any way, shape, or form.

I agree with this. But the serpent seed theology you're proposing is frequently employed by people who are racist.

If that's not you, I apologize.