Multiple threads on tongues, none on all spiritual gifts

[Blain]

You know Dino, I've often asked the Lord that question. Want to know the answer? He didn't give me one, except He said one thing on the matter. Be moved with compassion. What does it matter if the healing occurs through prayer or the gift of the Holy Spirit? God is glorified, so simply move in compassion and whether the healing happens as a result of a gift or God answering a petition may all give Him praise. I think the end result is what is important here.

As much as I wish I had the gift of healing and to this day continue to beg God for the gift I have been moved with compassion to ask for healing for another person, I didn't expect it and it was suddenly out of nowhere but when you pray when being lead by the holy spirit it has a different taste to it than normal prayers.

God doesn't need someone who had the gift nor does he need one of great faith and purity he simply needs the willing, if one has a willing heart then there are no limits to how he can use you even if it isn't within your initial gifts. Besides there is more than one kind of healing and we all have the gifts to help to mend and heal the inner wounds and bruises

 

[He_reigns]

1 Cor 12 has 9 gifts.

3 Vocal gifts:
Tongues
interpretation of tongues
Prophecy
3 Power gifts:
Faith
miracles
gifts of healing
3 Revelation gifts:
word of Wisdom
word of Knowledge
discerning of spirits<<<<<not the gift of discernment.

 

[BenFTW]

As much as I wish I had the gift of healing and to this day continue to beg God for the gift I have been moved with compassion to ask for healing for another person, I didn't expect it and it was suddenly out of nowhere but when you pray when being lead by the holy spirit it has a different taste to it than normal prayers.

God doesn't need someone who had the gift nor does he need one of great faith and purity he simply needs the willing, if one has a willing heart then there are no limits to how he can use you even if it isn't within your initial gifts. Besides there is more than one kind of healing and we all have the gifts to help to mend and heal the inner wounds and bruises

Blain, you don't need the gift of healing. You have the name of Jesus. You carry authority, by that name. When we look at the disciples and apostles, we see their response to the sick as "I give you what I have." How is it they have that? They carry His name. Are you not His? Of course you are, and by that name you can bring healing.

I challenge you Blain, the next person wanting prayer for healing say to their pain "go in the name of Jesus" and watch and see that God has given you already what is in your heart. If it doesn't work the first time, do it again. I've had to pray multiple times in an instance for a healing to occur, and its one bit at a time. The healing occurring, and the pain diminishing little by little.

God will honor your compassion, I believe that.

 

[He_reigns]

Blain, you don't need the gift of healing. You have the name of Jesus. You carry authority, by that name. When we look at the disciples and apostles, we see their response to the sick as "I give you what I have." How is it they have that? They carry His name. Are you not His? Of course you are, and by that name you can bring healing.

I challenge you Blain, the next person wanting prayer for healing say to their pain "go in the name of Jesus" and watch and see that God has given you already what is in your heart. If it doesn't work the first time, do it again. I've had to pray multiple times in an instance for a healing to occur, and its one bit at a time. The healing occurring, and the pain diminishing little by little.

God will honor your compassion, I believe that.

Your reply is proven by Jesus himself and later by Peter and the lame man at the gate Beautiful.

 

[posthuman]

And beyond what is listed, we should not imagine that God would hide from us other gifts when He actually gives us lists of gifts.

scripture gives us lists of the things Jesus did while He was ministering on earth in the flesh -- but it also specifically tells us that this is not a 'comprehensive' list of all the things He did and said - that in fact such an exhaustive list would hardly be possible!

in the books of the prophets we're given lists of what they said and did as well - should we be assured that what's written there is a complete record of all they ever did or said by the Spirit, just on the basis that it's what's written, so there can't possibly be more?

 

[He_reigns]

scripture gives us lists of the things Jesus did while He was ministering on earth in the flesh -- but it also specifically tells us that this is not a 'comprehensive' list of all the things He did and said - that in fact such an exhaustive list would hardly be possible!

in the books of the prophets we're given lists of what they said and did as well - should we be assured that what's written there is a complete record of all they ever did or said by the Spirit, just on the basis that it's what's written, so there can't possibly be more?

This is true. I would also like for folks to consider this. Jesus did not minister and do what he did to people because he was the son of God. Philippians 2 said he laid down his God powers. Acts 10.38 tell us he did what he did because he was anointed with Power and the Holy Spirit. If you study out the 9 gifts in 1 Cor 12, you can then see how Jesus manifested all 9 gifts in all the Gospels.

When he was raised again and before he ascended he was perfect and the partial was done away with. He was showing us how to do it like he did.

 

[Nehemiah6]

... should we be assured that what's written there is a complete record of all they ever did or said by the Spirit, just on the basis that it's what's written, so there can't possibly be more?

Now you're comparing apples and oranges. Everything that is recorded about Christ and the apostles and prophets is only what God wanted us to know. In fact God has deliberately withheld more than He has revealed, e.g. the life of Christ from childhood to maturity and public ministry.

However, when it comes to the gifts, what we have is what was deemed necessary (1) to authenticate the Gospel message and (2) to edify the saints. So there is no need for hypothetical additions to the gifts listed. The fact of the matter is that the majority of Christians are not even exercising the gifts that they have received, and many churches are actually discouraging Christians from the full exercise of their gifts.

 

[Waggles]

Actually I did not "forget" that but I did omit it, and here's the reason:
Had the gift of healing continued, every church with regenerated Christians would have at least one healer, and there would be no need for the"prayer of faith" of the elders. But since James knew by divine revelation that the healers would be gone, he provided these instructions.

Complete nonsense.
These signs shall follow them that believe [the gospel] they shall lay hands
on the sick and they shall recover...
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
this is just simply a variation to the above promises in scripture.
In The Revival Fellowship when one goes out front to the prayer line for a healing the
person praying for someone puts their hand or hands on the person seeking a healing
and prays over them.

Why do people outside of Pentecost insist on telling how it is?

 

[Innerfire89]

Complete nonsense.
These signs shall follow them that believe [the gospel] they shall lay hands
on the sick and they shall recover...
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
this is just simply a variation to the above promises in scripture.
In The Revival Fellowship when one goes out front to the prayer line for a healing the
person praying for someone puts their hand or hands on the person seeking a healing
and prays over them.

Why do people outside of Pentecost insist on telling how it is?

You just described two different things, showing an unbiblical practice in The Revival Fellowship.

James 5:14 makes no mention of gifts, but instead of elders praying and anointing with oil. So the one who is sick calls the elders, not healers. The gift of healing is not a requirement for being an elder.

 

[Waggles]

You just described two different things, showing an unbiblical practice in The Revival Fellowship.
James 5:14 makes no mention of gifts, but instead of elders praying and anointing with oil. So the one who is sick calls the elders, not healers. The gift of healing is not a requirement for being an elder.

What is this gobbledegook reasoning?
I never ever said that the distribution of the gift of healing in the church is a requirement
for being an elder or an officer or any other person who is part of the prayer line.
1> the gift of healing through the Holy Spirit is given to the church, as members still
have need for healing.
2> those of the prayer line lay hands on the sick when praying over them.
3> sometimes in severe cases the sick are anointed with oil whilst prayed over.

The nine gifts of the Holy Spirit are alive and well in our Fellowship.

 

[garee]

Complete nonsense.
These signs shall follow them that believe [the gospel] they shall lay hands
on the sick and they shall recover...
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
this is just simply a variation to the above promises in scripture.
In The Revival Fellowship when one goes out front to the prayer line for a healing the
person praying for someone puts their hand or hands on the person seeking a healing
and prays over them.

Why do people outside of Pentecost insist on telling how it is?

Its not outside Pentecost as if it introduced the idea of sign gifts. That kind of idea had been going on for thousands of years.

Christ informs us its natural man ,the generation of Adam called the evil generation that does seek after them . This shows they are walking after the wrong manner .(walking by sight) not mixing the faith of Christ(the unseen) in what they do see our hear. In doing so making gods in the likeness of men and blaspheming the holy name by which we are called heaven ward.


The idea of performing something outwardly and it proves something not seen is not a biblical prescription for hearing God aright.. We walk by faith not after signs performed by human hands or mouth.

No such thing as a sign gift, this is with either with healing or God bringing his interpretation in more than one language. Which some call tongues and God calls prophecy.. The gift is hearing God as he interprets it. Not as man interprets his interpretation of the Bible called a private interpretation . We all have a private interpretation like fingerprints called commentaries.

Seeking after a sign or a private interpretation is a stumbling block. All saints die not receiving the promise of their new incorruptible bodies. It is the sign the end has come and the former things of this world will not be remembered or every come to mind..


For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1Co 1:22

 

[heartofdavid]

What is being left out of the mix is the anointing.

All power and virtue and life including tongues,and healing and raising the dead come FROM the anointing.

Anyone that has experienced the baptism in/ with the Holy Spirit knows what Paul is saying when he says " the spirit prays but the mind is unfruitful,..or he that speaks in an UNKNOWN tongue edifies himself"

And John on Patmos saying " I was in the spirit on the Lords day"

It all flows from the anointing.

The anointing is like a river from God. In IT are all the gifts and anointing,and power,and love,etc.

The anointing is the equipping to do a job,and a robust walk,and INTIMACY WITH JESUS.

This is why the 5 foolish virgins were shut out.Having The oil requires replenishment. Interesting enough that the baptism in the Holy Spirit was,for the most part received by the laying on of hands. Note that means imparted by another believer. Note also that the 5 foolish virgins asked for impartation from those Holy Ghost filled Christians.

Note also that Jesus used " know you" as the basis for their omission into the bride chamber.

Note also the omission of certain disciples when the dead were raised and at the mount of transfiguration.

The anointing is three part.

Leapers anointing = salvation
Priestly anointing = baptism in the Holy Spirit
Kingly anointing = walk of obedience and Holiness.

King David and Jesus and Peter &Paul walked in those 3anointings.

The Kingly anointing is a bitter pill. That is why almost none walk in it.
Costly,bitter pill.

 

[heartofdavid]

Its not outside Pentecost as if it introduced the idea of sign gifts. That kind of idea had been going on for thousands of years.

Christ informs us its natural man ,the generation of Adam called the evil generation that does seek after them . This shows they are walking after the wrong manner .(walking by sight) not mixing the faith of Christ(the unseen) in what they do see our hear. In doing so making gods in the likeness of men and blaspheming the holy name by which we are called heaven ward.


The idea of performing something outwardly and it proves something not seen is not a biblical prescription for hearing God aright.. We walk by faith not after signs performed by human hands or mouth.

No such thing as a sign gift, this is with either with healing or God bringing his interpretation in more than one language. Which some call tongues and God calls prophecy.. The gift is hearing God as he interprets it. Not as man interprets his interpretation of the Bible called a private interpretation . We all have a private interpretation like fingerprints called commentaries.

Seeking after a sign or a private interpretation is a stumbling block. All saints die not receiving the promise of their new incorruptible bodies. It is the sign the end has come and the former things of this world will not be remembered or every come to mind..


For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1Co 1:22

...and yet,when John asked of Jesus " are you the one,or do we look for another",what was it Jesus answered?
TELL JOHN THE DEAD ARE RAISED,THE BLIND SEE,THE LAME WALK,LEAPERS ARE CLEANSED....."

The miracles CONFIRMED Jesus.

They still do.

He is powerful,and the same Jesus. He works miracles through signs and wonders.

It depends on what you want. A closed off salvation,seeking others to also walk in a closed off salvation,or what we read in the book of acts.

He will let you set the bar.

One day I will raise the dead....one day

 

[heartofdavid]

You just described two different things, showing an unbiblical practice in The Revival Fellowship.

James 5:14 makes no mention of gifts, but instead of elders praying and anointing with oil. So the one who is sick calls the elders, not healers. The gift of healing is not a requirement for being an elder.

Well kind of.

Gifts of healing would be single individuals.

Elders could be a body of mature believers in a fellowship . I see it as protection. Better to not place emphasis on an individual in a group. Those elders praying as a group stops some prideful tempting of a person with that gift.

 

[Innerfire89]

What is this gobbledegook reasoning?
I never ever said that the distribution of the gift of healing in the church is a requirement
for being an elder or an officer or any other person who is part of the prayer line.
1> the gift of healing through the Holy Spirit is given to the church, as members still
have need for healing.
2> those of the prayer line lay hands on the sick when praying over them.
3> sometimes in severe cases the sick are anointed with oil whilst prayed over.

The nine gifts of the Holy Spirit are alive and well in our Fellowship.

The prayer line does the laying on of hands? Are those in the prayer line all elders?

I know you didn't say the gift of healing was a requirement to be an elder. I'm saying it's not because not all had that gift, therefore Paul is instructing the sick to go to members of the congregation who may or may not have the gift of healing instead of just going to those who do have that gift. Now why is that?

Goobbledegook? I'm sorry, but I don't speak in tounges. Lol.

 

[Innerfire89]

Well kind of.

Gifts of healing would be single individuals.

Elders could be a body of mature believers in a fellowship . I see it as protection. Better to not place emphasis on an individual in a group. Those elders praying as a group stops some prideful tempting of a person with that gift.

Wouldn't that be oppressing spiritual gifts through? Pride can be dealt with by simple rebuke.

 

[Innerfire89]

What is being left out of the mix is the anointing.

All power and virtue and life including tongues,and healing and raising the dead come FROM the anointing.

Anyone that has experienced the baptism in/ with the Holy Spirit knows what Paul is saying when he says " the spirit prays but the mind is unfruitful,..or he that speaks in an UNKNOWN tongue edifies himself"

And John on Patmos saying " I was in the spirit on the Lords day"

It all flows from the anointing.

The anointing is like a river from God. In IT are all the gifts and anointing,and power,and love,etc.

The anointing is the equipping to do a job,and a robust walk,and INTIMACY WITH JESUS.

This is why the 5 foolish virgins were shut out.Having The oil requires replenishment. Interesting enough that the baptism in the Holy Spirit was,for the most part received by the laying on of hands. Note that means imparted by another believer. Note also that the 5 foolish virgins asked for impartation from those Holy Ghost filled Christians.

Note also that Jesus used " know you" as the basis for their omission into the bride chamber.

Note also the omission of certain disciples when the dead were raised and at the mount of transfiguration.

The anointing is three part.

Leapers anointing = salvation
Priestly anointing = baptism in the Holy Spirit
Kingly anointing = walk of obedience and Holiness.

King David and Jesus and Peter &Paul walked in those 3anointings.

The Kingly anointing is a bitter pill. That is why almost none walk in it.
Costly,bitter pill.

1 Cor. 14:14 For if I pray in a tounge, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also with my mind.

There is only one baptisim and it is done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Anyone who does not walk in obedience does not love Christ and is apostate.