Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?
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That is not being dishonest Mitspa, every teacher I have come across of the word until here did not do away with the 10 commandments. Nor did they preach that love does not uphold them. They all taught they do uphold them, and Paul clearly says the same.
I pray that when you see the laws of the land changing and they make laws that protect Sunday first as a family day then eventually it will persecute those who do not adhere to it. then remember I told you this today.
It will start in America and spread to the world you wont have to wait long to see this begin to happen.
It will start in America and spread to the world you wont have to wait long to see this begin to happen.
If I am a legalist as you call it then I don't want to change. Since this happened I have had a peace that follows me everywhere. I rest in Christ and do not have to struggle against sin, nor is it a burden to obey. My love for others has grown.
K
All I know is when I entered faith in what Jesus had done on the cross and in His resurrection, Suddenly the way I thought changed and sin became hateful to me. but not only that but I found Grace that changed me so that I was able to obey my God.
Sins that used to hold me back now fell like chaff and I no longer gave into their temptation. suddenly there was no more up and down experience. no falling in and out of the same sins any more.
Sins that used to hold me back now fell like chaff and I no longer gave into their temptation. suddenly there was no more up and down experience. no falling in and out of the same sins any more.
Yes as the Holy Spirit working in and through us will guide us and strengthen us in all things.
I myself have seen changes happening in my life since giving myself to Him, and there has even been some other things I did not notice changed in me tell others pointed it out. My old self I would be cussing, name calling, putting down, and doing all kinds of nasty things to others that got on my nerves or disagreed.
Now because of the Holy Spirit that is in me and has changed me on how I act, I am more laid back, have more patience, bridle my tongue, and find myself drawn with a zeal to confront false teaching. I hated confrontations and avoided them like the plague, I even growing up tried to hide in classes just so I was not called on to publically speak in front of the class. Now I am drawn to squash twisting of the word, and I speak in front of others with no problem. I was even told today by another I am skillful arguer, well it is debating and not arguing because I am not heated nor mad and the skill does not come from me.
Be careful how you word your statements gotime, people may not draw the conclusions from them you would like
However the reality is many use that word here with total disregard for what it actually means.
K
Again you seem to want to mix the spirit and the letter together to try and justify legalism?
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
I don't care what anyone teaches...I care what the bible teaches! I suggest you forget what men say and believe what God is saying to you in His Word. the thing about it is is you know Im right about this law and grace issue...and you just cant see it all yet.
Well if you care about what the bible teaches then you would see that even Paul showed that love uphold's the 10 commandments.
its simple Mitspa calls me a legalist. well if the freedom I have in Christ is legalism to him then I am happy for it.
However the reality is many use that word here with total disregard for what it actually means.
However the reality is many use that word here with total disregard for what it actually means.
K
Be careful how you word your statements gotime, people may not draw the conclusions from them you would think appropriate
Mitspa calls us legalist, when we teach how love upholds the 10 commandments just like Paul taught.
If being a legalist is walking in love that upholds the moral commandments of God then I am glad to be one to because we are in good company with the Apostle Paul......
That is why gotime did word his statement that way.
Mitspa calls us legalist, when we teach how love upholds the 10 commandments just like Paul taught.
If being a legalist is walking in love that upholds the moral commandments of God then I am glad to be one to because we are in good company with the Apostle Paul......
Mitspa calls us legalist, when we teach how love upholds the 10 commandments just like Paul taught.
If being a legalist is walking in love that upholds the moral commandments of God then I am glad to be one to because we are in good company with the Apostle Paul......
K
There can be no freedom in Christ if a person believes Christ only died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion-he only died for the sins you committed before you came to him. Perhaps you could use any influence you may have to convince others of that fact
What does Paul and Peter say;
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
And what does John say about future sins;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
What does Paul and Peter say;
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
And what does John say about future sins;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
And what does John say about future sins;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
K
You believe it is sin not to keep all of Christ's literal commandments/teachings. You refuse to state you obey all of Christ's commands, therefore I must assume you do not. Therefore you commit sin, and if you are true to what you write on cc, you ,must continually repent of your sin every time you fail to obey all of Christ's commands.
I did answer you with scripture as you did not like or did not accept that answer.
The scriptures say love will lead one in the Spirit to obedience, and if we do get drawn away by our own lust through that love and obedience we will repent/confess that sin receiving remission of it from the Lord keeping us with a clean slate. So that when we stand before God the Lord Jesus will be able to present us as spotless.
Do I mess up from time to time, yes I do as does everybody.
Do I believe that we all sin every single day, no I do not for that would be trampling the blood of Christ underfoot and denying His guidance and working in us every single day. I can not and will not deny Him, so I will defend Him and His complete word. Paul and Peter only say past sins forgiven, and John says future sins have to be confessed when they are committed. Remission is not received for them before the are committed and repented/confessed of. There is not one scripture that says they are.
Christ came to do much more that wipe our slate clean he come to restore His image in humanity. TO give them freedom and victory over sin. to empower them to obey all the law and it is love that does this.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.
Luk 13:2 And he answered and said unto them, Think ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they have suffered these things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
I did answer you with scripture as you did not like or did not accept that answer.
The scriptures say love will lead one in the Spirit to obedience, and if we do get drawn away by our own lust through that love and obedience we will repent/confess that sin receiving remission of it from the Lord keeping us with a clean slate. So that when we stand before God the Lord Jesus will be able to present us as spotless.
Do I mess up from time to time, yes I do as does everybody.
Do I believe that we all sin every single day, no I do not for that would be trampling the blood of Christ underfoot and denying His guidance and working in us every single day. I can not and will not deny Him, so I will defend Him and His complete word. Paul and Peter only say past sins forgiven, and John says future sins have to be confessed when they are committed. Remission is not received for them before the are committed and repented/confessed of. There is not one scripture that says they are.
The scriptures say love will lead one in the Spirit to obedience, and if we do get drawn away by our own lust through that love and obedience we will repent/confess that sin receiving remission of it from the Lord keeping us with a clean slate. So that when we stand before God the Lord Jesus will be able to present us as spotless.
Do I mess up from time to time, yes I do as does everybody.
Do I believe that we all sin every single day, no I do not for that would be trampling the blood of Christ underfoot and denying His guidance and working in us every single day. I can not and will not deny Him, so I will defend Him and His complete word. Paul and Peter only say past sins forgiven, and John says future sins have to be confessed when they are committed. Remission is not received for them before the are committed and repented/confessed of. There is not one scripture that says they are.
You see, when we infer we obey all we are asked to, we crush sincere, naïve people who may believe our words. We are then breaking the ninth commandment and crushing others. This is not acting in love to our fellow man nor I would suggest loving God as we should. And the whole law hangs on those two commandments.
Paul continually states the Christian DOES NOT have a righteousness before God of obedience to the law. That is not possible if Christ only died at Calvary for the sins committed before you come to him. That is unarguable, but you seem to want to debate the point further. Either you genuinely cannot see the truth, or you refuse to admit error.
K
Gotime agrees, Jesus did not die at calvary just to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion. Rom 3:25 refers to people who sinned before Christ walked this earth
However what some do not understand is that in order to receive that remission of sins by His blood that He shed for us. We have to have our faith rooted in Him, and repent be baptized, and then confess future sins to receive that remission and cleansed of all of our unrighteousness.