There is a certain kind of person that delights in being law abiding. That was the attitude of the Pharisee. They were outwardly righteous and were more than happy to parade it before their inferiors. It was the religious people who crucified Jesus. It was religious people who murdered Stephen. It was religious people who killed James and other disciples. Just sayin'.
Must one obey Jesus to be saved?
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Just sayin' what exactly?
Yes,the temple leaders tried Jesus illegally and they wanted him dead.
However, while the religious temple leaders set up the execution of Jesus, it was the lay people,the Jewish believer public, those who obeyed the laws of God and followed the directives of the temple law enforcers , the Pharisees and of course the Sadducees, that screamed for Barrabas to be set free. And Jesus to be executed.
Yes,the temple leaders tried Jesus illegally and they wanted him dead.
However, while the religious temple leaders set up the execution of Jesus, it was the lay people,the Jewish believer public, those who obeyed the laws of God and followed the directives of the temple law enforcers , the Pharisees and of course the Sadducees, that screamed for Barrabas to be set free. And Jesus to be executed.
It takes faith. A humble obedient working faith. A faith that works/obeys/acts by trusting in Jesus. And if Jesus is really one’s Lord, they won’t have a problem in doing what He says.
Luke 6:46-49 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Luke 6:46-49 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
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Correct. Our own action of obeying Jesus doesn't in itself save us - BUT it does show we're being saved because to obey Jesus means we have to die to self and submit to Him so that He can cause us to obey and do the things he wants us to do and not put our selfish desires first in our lives. The presence of the Holy Spirit UNHINDERED (not resisted) and powerful in us shows we belong to God.
Seriously I had a hard time knowing how to obey the Lord in my flesh - couldn't do it on a consistent basis. Also not giving in to temptations and sin was hard to do as well.
BUT I learned, when I submitted to the Holy Spirit, He really is powerful to help usto obey Him and resist sinning on a consistent basis in an ever increasing way.
So I encourage all Christians to submit to the Holy Spirit and stay connected. Don't continually resist and ignore Him and in doing so depart from Him. If you give God complete control over you, you really will grow in obedience, godliness and wisdom too.
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A soul must obey Jesus' command to repent and seek salvation to become saved,
and a saint must obey His command to continue until the end (MT 10:22) in order to remain saved.
There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and
faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17),
but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains
non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
and a saint must obey His command to continue until the end (MT 10:22) in order to remain saved.
There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and
faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17),
but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains
non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
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Jesus says;
Mark 12:
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’
31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Mark 12:
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’
31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
No. You cannot obey Jesus before we are saved. We are saved and then have the ability, guidance, and power from God to obey. So when asked "Do we need to obey Jesus TO be saved? The answer is defiantly no, and thank God this is the case. However when we are saved we will, by His power and Spirit, obey Him to the glory of God. That's about as clearly as I can answer this question.
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In regard to Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I often hear works-salvationists cite this verse to try and support salvation by works. Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:9,10) In either sense, only believers obey Him.
Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) and without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up from an unregenerate heart in a vain effort to receive salvation based on works. So, in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.
In Romans 6:16, there are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense: servants of sin unto death and servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we believe the gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation/place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation (Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 5:1) we then become servants of obedience unto righteousness.
Being servants of sin is put in the "past tense." Romans 6:18 - You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
In regard to Romans 6:17, before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by faith."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.
What you seem to be teaching is salvation by faith + multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow." Don't confuse the obedient act of choosing to believe the gospel which saves (Romans 1:16; 10:16) with multiple acts of obedience/works that follow which don't save. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)
Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) and without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up from an unregenerate heart in a vain effort to receive salvation based on works. So, in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.
In Romans 6:16, there are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense: servants of sin unto death and servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we believe the gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation/place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation (Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 5:1) we then become servants of obedience unto righteousness.
Being servants of sin is put in the "past tense." Romans 6:18 - You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
In regard to Romans 6:17, before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
1 Peter 1:22 notice - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by faith."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.
What you seem to be teaching is salvation by faith + multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow." Don't confuse the obedient act of choosing to believe the gospel which saves (Romans 1:16; 10:16) with multiple acts of obedience/works that follow which don't save. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)
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Placing the emphasis of salvation on our personal obedience focuses attention on man. Placing the emphasis of salvation on the obedience of Christ focuses attention on the cross. No one has ever been saved falling at the feet of men. Many have been saved falling at the foot of the cross.
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Yes.... I was replying to someone else, who thinks that we as believers don't need to "do" anything.... Jesus gave us three good examples of what happens to those that don't "do".....
"Doing" good things is the greatest testimony we can give, in my opinion. Talk is cheap... we can preach at people all day long, but if they are needy and we don't even consider physically helping them, how much of our "preaching" do we think they will hear?
..... according to James....
14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
"Doing" good things is the greatest testimony we can give, in my opinion. Talk is cheap... we can preach at people all day long, but if they are needy and we don't even consider physically helping them, how much of our "preaching" do we think they will hear?
..... according to James....
14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
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Isn't disobedience to God a sin?
And isn't continual disobedience rebellion against God?
Isn't there a sin of commission & a sin of omission? Aren't they both disobedience? Aren't they both rebellion against God when in practice?
How many times in scripture did Paul list the sins that would separate us from God?
How many times we have read that & still don't get it?
And isn't continual disobedience rebellion against God?
Isn't there a sin of commission & a sin of omission? Aren't they both disobedience? Aren't they both rebellion against God when in practice?
How many times in scripture did Paul list the sins that would separate us from God?
How many times we have read that & still don't get it?
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Thanks for starting all these threads about obedience to the Lord - they're really making their readers more aware about the importance of obeying God and its place in our salvation! It pleases God when we obey Him so you're making Him happy too when you encourage others to do so! 
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Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
we can now
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
we, today in the risen Son can now Go to Daddy, PaPa, Father in risen Son for us all and ask anything, time to see Father knows what is best to get or not get, that be trust to Daddy only in risen Son for each child, growing up in God's love and mercy of Son for them, at least me.
Father will either give whatever asked for or not. yet all that continue to ask, many a times get what asked for/ only to see it was not good for their soul and now see why Father said no at first
Father only wanting what is best for us all as I see this truth presently
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
see the end chapter of Job after standing in not denying God through out the whole of that book written for us in admonition to us each, for me at least to see to not deny God
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
we can now
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
we, today in the risen Son can now Go to Daddy, PaPa, Father in risen Son for us all and ask anything, time to see Father knows what is best to get or not get, that be trust to Daddy only in risen Son for each child, growing up in God's love and mercy of Son for them, at least me.
Father will either give whatever asked for or not. yet all that continue to ask, many a times get what asked for/ only to see it was not good for their soul and now see why Father said no at first
Father only wanting what is best for us all as I see this truth presently
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
see the end chapter of Job after standing in not denying God through out the whole of that book written for us in admonition to us each, for me at least to see to not deny God