MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK...PT.2

Avinu · May 6, 2012

Once again my words in green, documentation in black, scripture in red.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French and published in New York in 1843. Dr. Alberto Rivera escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, and he describes his Jesuit oath in exactly the same way as it appears in this book. Semper idem: always the same.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Jesuit Oath of Induction is also recorded in the Congressional Record of the U.S. (House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913, pp. 3215-3216).[/FONT]

"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus"

This was created from the Vatican.

Roman Catholic Index of Forbidden Books

The Church admits this in her own Laws :

"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should
not be permitted to have the books of the Old or
New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having
any translation of these books."
- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 AD
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Scolar Press, London, England
copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,
ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195

The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned..."
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.
"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition
archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books,
which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read
or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed
that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist.
Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires
along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index
of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating
to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition
itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."
-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book
By Jude Webber
ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)

"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be
permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament;
...we most strictly forbid their having any translation
of these books."
- ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe,
Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters,
Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980
by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195
--After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse
directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse
of Sacred Scripture on the part of the athari:
"prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti
laicis permittatur habere"
(Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).

ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA - 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon,
ruled that:
"No one may possess the books of the Old and New
Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone
possesses them he must turn them over to the local
bishop within eight days after promulgation of
this decree, so that they may be burned...."
- D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
R.F. Bellarmine, On the Authority of Councils, Vol. II, book 2, ch. 17, p. 226 (ed. 1619)

Matt. 6:7 "When you pray, use not vain repetitions as the HEATHEN do."

The Vatican says' "Pray the repititions of the rosary." According to some number of beads on the rosary.
The catholic rosary originated in paganism; it was used by the ancient mexicans, the Brahmins of Hindustan, the Tibetan priests of Tartary & in the cults of Greece & Rome. Buddhism uses prayer beads throughout the East- They are used by muslims today- ancient cyclinder seal from Mesopotamia, beads were commonly buried w/ the pharoahs of Egypt. Hindu deity holds prayer beads. But no where in the Bible does it say anything about prayer beads or to use them.

Isaiah 40:8 "The Word of our God stands forever."
Psalm 111:7-10 "All His commandments are sure... They stand forever & ever."

"The Pope's will stands for reason, he can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws." Pope Nicholas, Dis 96

Still more to come.

dscherck · May 6, 2012

Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness? There's so much falsehood in these statements. For example, the "Jesuit oath" printed at the very start is a known fake. Another post references Alberto Riviera, who is a known con man. His outrageous statements and lies are so over the top that even some die hard anti-Catholic Christians don't believe him.

It's posts like this that just really reinforce the fact to me that the Catholic Church really must be the Church Christ founded, because the Devil works so very hard to turn Christians against it.

Avinu · May 6, 2012

If you choose to continue to believe in all the lies that is catholicism, then that is to your own judgement. Just as my people Israel has done with talmud/mishna, it to will be to there judgement. Scripture says to bring that which is dark into the light. I suggest you stop chasing the pope who will only drag you to hell with him and start chasing Yeshua who is the ONLY one who can save you.

dscherck · May 6, 2012

Avinu said:

I don't have to "prove it" the burden of proof falls on you. You're the one making these ridiculous claims that have been debunked time and time again, you should provide proof. The official teachings of the Catholic Church are easily accessible to anyone who can browse these boards, and they can also be checked. A simple 2 minute google search will also point out the incredible amount of fraud perpetuated by Alberto Riveira (who's mention in one of your 4 threads).

It's painfully obvious that there are so many here who are so blinded by hate that they will latch on to the most insane conspiracy theories about the Catholic Church because they desperately want them to be true. But anyone who actually cares about the truth -vs- just wanting to be right will actually do the research properly rather than spread poorly written anti-Catholic propaganda. This "research" is about as credible as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the claims that the Jews will use the blood of Gentile children for their matzoh. Which is to say, it's not credible at all.

Again, stuff like this merely makes me ever more sure that the Catholic Church is indeed the Church founded by Our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ because the devil works so hard to get Christians to believe this stuff and he spreads sweet lies into their ears like "Of course they're true! And any denials of them is obviously just a conspiracy."

Avinu · May 7, 2012

I don't have to "prove it" the burden of proof falls on you. You're the one making these ridiculous claims that have been debunked time and time again, you should provide proof. The official teachings of the Catholic Church are easily accessible to anyone who can browse these boards, and they can also be checked. A simple 2 minute google search will also point out the incredible amount of fraud perpetuated by Alberto Riveira (who's mention in one of your 4 threads).These things are IN the catholics own books. These things I posted are documents I copied from and put on here.
You have made a choice to be blind to the true evil that is catholicism. That's your choice.

It's painfully obvious that there are so many here who are so blinded by hate that they will latch on to the most insane conspiracy theories about the Catholic Church because they desperately want them to be true. But anyone who actually cares about the truth -vs- just wanting to be right will actually do the research properly rather than spread poorly written anti-Catholic propaganda. This "research" is about as credible as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the claims that the Jews will use the blood of Gentile children for their matzoh. Which is to say, it's not credible at all. I can hear your anger here, it is the same as someone addicted to drugs who is in denial and doesn't want to let the bad thing go. I hope you let it go before it's too late.

Again, stuff like this merely makes me ever more sure that the Catholic Church is indeed the Church founded by Our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ because the devil works so hard to get Christians to believe this stuff and he spreads sweet lies into their ears like "Of course they're true! And any denials of them is obviously just a conspiracy."

Well that is the free gift of choice. You're free to choose to continue to follow a man who thinks and believes he is above all that is God's word. And if you choose to, your fate is the same as his. The pope and catholicism is a pawn of satan and all who refuse to let it go. You go ahead and continue to bow and pray to idols and so-called saints and Mary and pray your rosary beads, all the things that the True word of God says is sin before Him. May YHVH have mercy on you.

AnandaHya · May 7, 2012

Avinu said:

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The Nightmare World of Jack T. Chick | Catholic Answers

I find this part most telling....

Anyway, just wanted to send out some love to my brothers and sisters in Christ no matter what denomination they decide to be a part of.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGxTfmEp9zY&feature=related[/video]

Avinu · May 8, 2012

dscherck, I told you a while back that even the catholic church banned the Bible from being read or owned by there flocks, and (I think it was you, not sure) that swore up and down that, that never happened. Well as you can see on this thread, multiple pieces of evidence that it was true. So if catholicism was so right and holy, why would they refuse to allow people to read or own a bible. Why would they jail them and/or kill them for it?
I've noticed you're the only catholic that has even come near these threads to say anything. The problem is, no one can prove this wrong, you have to decide who you want to follow, satan or YHVH. The way of catholicism is the way of the devil. Get out of her dscherck, leave the abominable evils of catholicism, and receive the true Messiah of scripture that died for your sins. Catholicism is damned, and YHVH will pour His cup of wrath upon her and all her fornications and abominations that she has comitted with the nations of the world. And anyone who refuses to get out of her, especially after being shown the truth will go down with her.

dscherck · May 9, 2012

Avinu said:

The Catholic Church has never prohibited the Scriptures from being read. There were times that inaccurate translations of the Scriptures were being spread and the Church warned against them and prohibited people from reading them. Tell me, would you think it'd be a good idea to have all the members of your flock reading from the NWT version of the Bible? You know, the Jehovah's Witness translation which is modified to fit their views?

We can prove it wrong, we're just tired of doing it over and over and over again only to have people ignore the evidence or wait a few months to repost the same claims again. I've seen on some forums threads that hit over 100 pages where the same exact arguments are debunked time and time again IN THE SAME THREAD.

Catholicism is the way of Christ, not Satan. The devil fears the Catholic Church, he's terrified of it because he knows that it is the Church founded by Christ Himself. That no matter what defence he puts up, it will tremble before the Catholic Church because Christ Himself promised it.

I urge you, read up on what the Catholic Church REALLY teaches, not what others claim it teaches. Look to the writings of the early Christians as well, compare them to the teachings of the Catholic Church. You'll be amazed at what you find. The Catholic Liturgy is the fulfilled version of Jewish Temple worship.

Don't just read anti-Catholic sources, try reading what Catholics themselves write. Look up books by Dave Armstrong, Scott Hahn, Jimmy Akin, Karl Keating and see how Catholics answer your claims. Challenge yourself to finding the Truth, not confirming what you think is the Truth. Truth shouldn't be based on what we believe, we should base our beliefs on the Truth. And if we find that our beliefs don't line up, then we should change our beliefs to match. I'm confident that if you really do take the time to honestly look at what the Catholic Church teaches, compare them with what the Early Church taught, and read some of the authors I listed, you'll realize that the Catholic Church isn't what you thought. That it is instead, the Church founded by Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And that it will be the pearl of great price for you. The one you will sacrifice everything for to obtain.

Don't take my word for it, read for yourself. In the words of Augustine, tolle et lege. Take and read. Read the Catholic Catechism, read books BY Catholics, read the early Christian writings we have, read history books, and yes, even read anti-Catholic books and compare them. Heck, if you want, I'll even put my money where my mouth is. Send me a mailing address in PM and I'll buy you a book by a Catholic apologist to read for yourself.

loveme1 · May 9, 2012

You will notice everything results in reading something written by catholic...

Read the Bible and see that you have been deceived.

You can debunk everything with the Bible.

satan does not fear the catholic church... satan cannot fear itself.

Avinu · May 9, 2012

Personally, I think you just made this up, but to give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you prove this? But as I've shown, the Bible was still outlawed as it were, from the flock. And it was put on the catholics lndex of banned books.

We can prove it wrong, we're just tired of doing it over and over and over again only to have people ignore the evidence or wait a few months to repost the same claims again. I've seen on some forums threads that hit over 100 pages where the same exact arguments are debunked time and time again IN THE SAME THREAD. Well, in the year plus that I've been on CC, I've never seen any one of you guys prove anything wrong. So as I said before, you cant', because there's too much proof in the pudding.

Catholicism is the way of Christ, not Satan. The devil fears the Catholic Church, he's terrified of it because he knows that it is the Church founded by Christ Himself. That no matter what defence he puts up, it will tremble before the Catholic Church because Christ Himself promised it. LOL, that is hilarious. You ARE truly trapped. I'm so sorry.

I urge you, read up on what the Catholic Church REALLY teaches, not what others claim it teaches. Look to the writings of the early Christians as well, compare them to the teachings of the Catholic Church. You'll be amazed at what you find. The Catholic Liturgy is the fulfilled version of Jewish Temple worship. You are out of your ever loving mind. The catholic church and jewish temple worship don't have one single thing in common. I've been to mass, and it is like sitting in some zombie seance.

Don't just read anti-Catholic sources, try reading what Catholics themselves write. Look up books by Dave Armstrong, Scott Hahn, Jimmy Akin, Karl Keating and see how Catholics answer your claims. Challenge yourself to finding the Truth, not confirming what you think is the Truth. Truth shouldn't be based on what we believe, we should base our beliefs on the Truth. And if we find that our beliefs don't line up, then we should change our beliefs to match. I'm confident that if you really do take the time to honestly look at what the Catholic Church teaches, compare them with what the Early Church taught, and read some of the authors I listed, you'll realize that the Catholic Church isn't what you thought. That it is instead, the Church founded by Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And that it will be the pearl of great price for you. The one you will sacrifice everything for to obtain. The only lord that founded catholicism is the one mentioned in Eph. 6:12. As I said before, as you so eloquently keep avoiding. Go ahead and continue to kiss the feet of your graven images, repetitious prayers of pagan rosary beads, etc. Everything that THE BIBLE CLEARLY says NOT to do. That is the REAL TRUTH, not a book by Dave Armstrong, Scott Hahn, etc. I've seen you spend more time trusting in these men, then in the actual word of YHVH. THAT speaks volume to me, and shows me who you truly follow.

Don't take my word for it, read for yourself. In the words of Augustine, tolle et lege. Take and read. Read the Catholic Catechism, read books BY Catholics, read the early Christian writings we have, read history books, and yes, even read anti-Catholic books and compare them. Heck, if you want, I'll even put my money where my mouth is. Send me a mailing address in PM and I'll buy you a book by a Catholic apologist to read for yourself.

Incase you're not paying attention,(which is clear) some of the evidence I've presented in these 4 threads ARE from the catholic catechism, and cath. dictionary, and even your own bishops.

dscherck · May 9, 2012

loveme1 said:

For me, it was the Scriptures that proved the Catholic Church is what it claims to be , the Church founded by Our Lord God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
And tell me, who would you trust for more accurate information about your church, active devout members and its leaders... or disgruntled ex-members and people who hate it?
Why then is it a bad thing to turn to Catholic sources for information about what it teaches?

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eternally-gratefull · May 9, 2012

dscherck said:

I would trust the word of God.

don't make an image, ok, don't follow anyone who makes images, catholic or not, whether they worship them or not. does not matter, the command was not to make any period!

salvation by faith in Christ and not of works. ok, reject a gospel which teaches works of any type Catholic or non catholic

Sealed by the spirit of God the moment we trusted in Christ, this seal the guarantee of our salvation. Ok, Don't trust anyone who teaches we can lose this seal and we are not guaranteed anything. Catholic or non catholic

Whoever eats and drinks will never hunger, never thirst, HAS eternal life, and Given Gods guarantee he will raise them on the last day. Ok, Don't trust anyone who says we must eat and drink continually, yet are not assured any of the things Christ said.

Scripture is able to make us wise for salvation. Can teach, rebuke, reproof and instruct in how we are to live our lives. Making a man of God comp0lete, fully furnished in all things concerning Christ. ok. do not trust anyone who says this is not true, and we must use outside sources, and listen to men outside of Gods word, and believe in doctrines not proven or disproven in scripture. For they reject the word of God as the full authority of all things in Christ.

The reason I am not catholic is because the gospel, and Church does not follow the word of God.

what an anticatholic or anyone else says about them does not make a difference. why listen to men, when we can listen to God himself and the book he spent 2000 years writing for us

loveme1 · May 9, 2012

dscherck said:

dscherck, you have exercised your free will.

I have no denomination and have been lead by the holy spirit.

So I can not answer your question.

I trust Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

All I have ever said is read the Bible and seek the truth where it is given, you say that lead you to the catholic church...

Peace be with you.

All things will come to pass, there is a time for each to receive the truth..

dscherck · May 10, 2012

Avinu said:

Tell me, do you ever use a Scriptural concordance? Or maybe a bible study guide from someone? Or do you base your knowledge of the faith solely through the Bible? Where do you get your knowledge of Jewish practices? Of the temple worship? I know even some of my devout Protestant friends have no issue with reading bible study guides or things like Strong's concordance. Why then is it a problem when we Catholics utilize Catholic study guides or concordances in our faith?

It's painfully obvious that you're terrified of the Catholic Church possibly being right. I find it... sorrowful that you have so little confidence in your faith that you won't even read a book by a devout Catholic that might disagree with your views lest you change your mind.

Tell you what, I'll up the ante. I'll purchase you two books. A copy of the Catholic Catechism for your own use. Use it to understand what we Catholics really teach. You can't get much more authoritative than that BTW in regards to authentic Catholic teachings. And another book. How about a book that discusses the relationship to the Catholic celebration of the Eucharist and the Jewish Passover Seder? I will pay for both of these books out of my own pocket. All I ask is that you actually take the time to read them. Whether you end up agreeing with the content inside them is a different matter. But at the very least, you'll understand the Catholic Church a bit better than you do now. Just send me a shipping address in PM and I'll order them within the week.

Avinu · May 10, 2012

Tell me, do you ever use a Scriptural concordance? Or maybe a bible study guide from someone? Or do you base your knowledge of the faith solely through the Bible? Where do you get your knowledge of Jewish practices? Of the temple worship? I know even some of my devout Protestant friends have no issue with reading bible study guides or things like Strong's concordance. Why then is it a problem when we Catholics utilize Catholic study guides or concordances in our faith? Concordances are man made opinions. They are not directed from YHVH to be written, neither are they inspired word of Yah. Paul says it best in Gal. 1:11-12, no man has taught me what I know, but all comes from Yeshua. I don't need concordances to understand the word of Yah. I have the Holy Spirit who reveals Yah's truth to me.

It's painfully obvious that you're terrified of the Catholic Church possibly being right. I find it... sorrowful that you have so little confidence in your faith that you won't even read a book by a devout Catholic that might disagree with your views lest you change your mind. This is just more evidence of your lack of paying attention. I don't have views, my faith is stemmed soley from YHVH's word, not man made pagan doctrine that disregards every commandment of Yah. The only thing I fear is for those who refuse to get of the harlotry of catholicism will go to hell.

Tell you what, I'll up the ante. I'll purchase you two books. A copy of the Catholic Catechism for your own use. Use it to understand what we Catholics really teach. You can't get much more authoritative than that BTW in regards to authentic Catholic teachings.Is this a desperate attempt to try and convert me? You have no clue who I am.

And another book. How about a book that discusses the relationship to the Catholic celebration of the Eucharist and the Jewish Passover Seder?I already know that catholicism and the true hebrew seder meal have nothing in common. Now there may be some similarities between the talmudic version and yours. Which both have man added and pagan practice in them.

I will pay for both of these books out of my own pocket. All I ask is that you actually take the time to read them. Whether you end up agreeing with the content inside them is a different matter. But at the very least, you'll understand the Catholic Church a bit better than you do now. Just send me a shipping address in PM and I'll order them within the week.

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dscherck, I'm guessing you didn't read one of my other feasts to you. I told you I went to catholic church when I was young with a girlfriend @ the time. I also watch catholic services on angel network which I also told you. I didn't just go look stuff up to make these threads. I have enough personal experience and study to know the real truth of catholicism.

dscherck · May 10, 2012

Avinu said:

That's the problem, you don't. And it's painfully obvious by your postings. You have a preconceived notion of what the Catholic Church is, and you will ignore any evidence that contradicts it, but seize on anything that reinforces it. And you're petrified of being shown you're mistaken. I've been to many many churches, and some services were full of life and drew me in. Others not so much. But if I based my views of the denominations solely because that particular location's church services were boring, I'd be deluding myself.

You readily accept the use of books attacking the Catholic Church as valid sources of information, but the instant someone offers you some books supporting the Catholic Church, you suddenly insist that we must stick only to Scripture. How is that fair?

Why aren't you willing to read some books written by devout Catholics who practice their faith but have no trouble spending hours reading books by non-Catholics attacking it?

Avinu · May 10, 2012

[QUOTEThat's the problem, you don't. And it's painfully obvious by your postings. You have a preconceived notion of what the Catholic Church is, and you will ignore any evidence that contradicts it, but seize on anything that reinforces it. And you're petrified of being shown you're mistaken. I've been to many many churches, and some services were full of life and drew me in. Others not so much. But if I based my views of the denominations solely because that particular location's church services were boring, I'd be deluding myself.

You readily accept the use of books attacking the Catholic Church as valid sources of information, but the instant someone offers you some books supporting the Catholic Church, you suddenly insist that we must stick only to Scripture. How is that fair?

Why aren't you willing to read some books written by devout Catholics who practice their faith but have no trouble spending hours reading books by non-Catholics attacking it? ][/QUOTE]

You really have the proverbial selective hearing. You make assumptions & I'm bored with this conversation with you. And the beauty of it is, I don't care what you think of me, or anything else. I and everyone else who actually follows the word of Yah knows what catholicism is truly about. You're blind being led by the blind. And I'm done.

Avinu · Jun 2, 2012

APPARENTLY WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS AS WELL.

Digital_Angel_316 · Jun 2, 2012

AnandaHya said:

Note that even to this day many of the high level Catholic sects are doing exactly the
same thing, and while they may be reprimanded, moved to another church, or removed,
they are still a part of a system doing exactly these same things today.

Cardinal Law, the highest ranking Catholic in the USA, a Jesuit, the head of the Jesuit
College of The Holy Cross outside Boston, was about to be called to trial, when he was
exiled to Rome to serve in the Vatican.

The Order of the SSPX has undergone similar issues and scrutiny, again, FIRST BY THE
PUBLIC, then only later, after much denial and manipulation, reprimanded and made to
call to some overt fixer-upper 'remedy'.

The largest order of Catholic Nuns has recently come under investigation, rebuke and
remedy for similar reasons, again, first at the behest of the Public, then after a long delay,
a call to change, laundered to the point of vague generalities, despite specific accusations
and instances - just this April, very current, tho the issues are a generation old.

Father John Corapi the world wide teacher of the Catholic Catechism on the Catholic Worldwide
Television network was removed from his post just this past year for such indiscretions and has
quite a colorful past ... as current an event as you can get.

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Avinu

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dscherck

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Avinu

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Avinu

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eternally-gratefull

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