MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT

[Cup-of-Ruin]

As for the Synagogue of Satan, it was a warning for our time against people like you and Cup of Ruin, who claim that the Jews aren't the "real" Jews and the "real" Jews are Christians.

That is incorrect a 'Jew' is Jew by conversion or descendent of the matriarchal line, neither has anything to do with the children of Israel.

Jews are acting falsely by claiming that the religion of Talmudic Judaism is a race, it is a religion adopted by conversion, most of modern jewry today has no relation whatsoever to the ancient Israelites, in fact 90% of world jewry today are of Khazar descent, which the Jewish Encyclopedia describes as;

"Khazars, A NON - SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century and who were CONVERTED as an nation to Judaism in the seventh century by an expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar nation."

Clearly by all valid historical accounts whether Christian, Jewish and Secular, the Jews of today calling themselves Jews are not even Semitic, as Khazars make up the bulk of jews in a racial sense today, regardless of this fact, Judaism itself is a religion and a religion primarily by conversion, and modern Jewry today is a testament to this fact, it is simply incorrect and false for a 'jew' to call himself an ancient Israelite, that is why the Book of Revelations defines them as liars, because they lie about their identity for worldly gain, to decieve Christians into believing they are the chosen people when they are not, in fact it is for more likely to say that Christians are descended from ancient Israel, seeming the early Christians Israelites who followed Jesus their shepherd left Jerusalem before its was sacked and destroyed, the Jews who remained and rejected Jesus were descended from Esau/Edom, as Herod and the Pharisees and scribes were all Edomites.

Israelites became Christianians and founded the early churches and Christianity, God chose His people well and they have taken the Gospel of the Lord's salvation to the ends of the earth.

 

[greatkraw]

as you would know historically the Albigensian held out the true faith against the catholic church

I just spit out my coffee!

So which part of their theology represented the 'true faith'? Their dualism? Gnosticism? Manichaeanism? Come on!

Are the Jehovah's Witnesses holding out the true faith against Christianity today?

there has been plenty of historical propoganda against them because the roman catholics needed to discredit them and justify the persecutions

just as the political enemies of King James get plenty of mileage from those who wish to discredit the KJV by association- this also this group does

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

yes, and you also.
SURPRISE!
ANOTHER POOR DECEIVED SOUL WITH NO CLUE WHATSOEVER.

USA=BABYLON = SUCH ROTTEN FRUIT.

I was referring to

As for the Synagogue of Satan, it was a warning for our time against people like you and Cup of Ruin, who claim that the Jews aren't the "real" Jews and the "real" Jews are Christians.

 

[MahogonySnail]

*shrug* Could be China. I'm open to other interpretations that make sense. I've just always seen more about America fall in line with Babylon than China.

Of course, a red communist country fueled by capitalist greed, becoming the richest and biggest country in the world which actively persecutes Christians and other faiths and has an appalling human rights record, couldn't be worse than the USA. . Of course asia doesn't figure on the Christian map . , China is not in the bible . They're those other strange looking people that we buy cheap clothes and cars from. For we all know that the anti-Christ must be white , to match a blonde eyed and red haired Jesus .

 

[Nuhen]

Well, there's more to it than that Prophecies like Isaiah...18? I think it's Isaiah 18 describe America much better than China.

 

[zone]

Marantha_Yeshua said:

I was referring to
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As for the Synagogue of Satan, it was a warning for our time against people like you and Cup of Ruin, who claim that the Jews aren't the "real" Jews and the "real" Jews are Christians.

man, this is a conundrum. i'm confused here. this controversy is a dead-end for me. maybe you could address some questions i have.

i see by your handle you might: know you are a true Israelite (by racial origin); or choose to identify with Judaism. are you Jewish (religion) or Christian? can there be both?

do you know you are descended from Judah? why Yeshua? is English your first language? i ask sincerely. there's confusion here.

do you mean to say those Jesus warned who claim to be Jews are actually blasphemous Christians who claim to be jews? *puzzled*

if a Christian says they are a Jew (or want to be?) are they wishing they were of different racial origin, or they hold to the Old Covenant?

WHY would a true Christian, whether originally of Judahic extraction (how they can know this, i know not) OR by conversion from Judaism (i believe the subject being TALMUDIC Judaism) drop the NEW Name, Christian, and pretend to be a Jew?

i don't get it. why would we try to put the OLD WINE into the NEW WINESKIN?.

Christians are Christians by faith, those in Talmudic Judaism are in a false religion. no? that's what i thought...hmmmm.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

what did Jesus mean exactly when He said this of Nathanael?

John 1:47
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

does Paul gives the answer?:

Romans 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

elsewhere someone recalled for me the allegory of the bondservant vs the free. Paul uses the story of Ishmael to go beyond the children of the SEED (UNDER THE BONDAGE OF THE LAW) to describe the PROMISE of the work of Redeemer Jesus - salvation by Faith in Him alone.

Paul isn't talking to Islamists, he's talking to believers who want to be under THE LAW: Judaism, whether Talmudic or not.

if i'm in error, someone please help.

Galatians 4
1 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

isn't Paul saying cast off the bonds of trying to find favour with God by obeying the Law (which only Jesus could do?)

respectfully
z

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Another one of these threads....but this one is older

 

[AnandaHya]

I just want to know how this is possible:

When saved
before the foundation of the world

are you claiming to be there with Jesus when the world was made????

its on your status. how then do you also claim to be Christian. Hey Wolfy I think you have a brethren here.

 

[paulnsilas]

I just want to know how this is possible:

When saved
before the foundation of the world

are you claiming to be there with Jesus when the world was made????

its on your status. how then do you also claim to be Christian. Hey Wolfy I think you have a brethren here.

Now now Ananda.
"before the foundation of the world" was merely an interesting answer meant to provoke thought.

This is a bit of a distraction from your claims to be a prophet to the gentiles, ananda.

If you don't want to submit to the Biblical mandate to test prophets, just say so.

 

[AnandaHya]

Jesus is the one people should look to and believe. I am no importance why do you seek a sign from ME? I'm not trying to save the world, just unite the church against the coming attack. why do you place stumbling blocks before me and claim to be "testing me"? why do you not answer for YOUR OWN WORDS? and instead find fault in mine? If you can test me then I can test the spirit that resides in you. Its called being fair. If you wish to judge me then you should be able to answer yourself the same questions and undergo the same examination.

"interesting answer meant to provoke thought" and the thought that comes to mind is that Satan claimed the same thing.



Matthew 12:37-40 (New King James Version)

37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

The Scribes and Pharisees Ask for a Sign

38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

 

[AnandaHya]

Don't get this thread is everyone forgetting that the Apostle Paul said it doesn't matter if they are Jew or Gentile but they must ALL believe in the name of Jesus or be damned into the fires of Hell?

that their "Jewishness" would not save them then who cares if someone calls themself a Jew or not?

It is more important to have your name written in the Book of Life and to speak of the HOLY SPIRIT that lives inside of you and to have the FRUITS of the SPIRIT, which I see lacking in the author of this post. Prove me wrong, show me God's fruit:

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, SELF CONTROL???

Speak to me with LOVE that God first gave to all His children. I am listening.

 

[paulnsilas]

Jesus is the one people should look to and believe. I am no importance why do you seek a sign from ME? I'm not trying to save the world, just unite the church against the coming attack.

Exactly what is the attack that's coming?

why do you place stumbling blocks before me and claim to be "testing me"?

you claim to be a prophet.
that's a very serious matter.
a true prophet would be bold and have authoritative answers.
i do not believe you are a prophet appointed to the gentiles.

why do you not answer for YOUR OWN WORDS? and instead find fault in mine? If you can test me then I can test the spirit that resides in you. Its called being fair. If you wish to judge me then you should be able to answer yourself the same questions and undergo the same examination.

This is typical of today's schooled in the school of prophets.
I've seen this before many times.
Your claims, coupled with the title prophet places stumblings blocks before unlearned or new Christians.
They may believe you are speaking for God. i do not.

"interesting answer meant to provoke thought" and the thought that comes to mind is that Satan claimed the same thing.

Matthew 12:37-40 (New King James Version)

37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

The Scribes and Pharisees Ask for a Sign

38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

In one sentenece, as a believer obeying the command to test prophets, you have likened me to satan.
interesting.

And, as a back-up, you quote Jesus Christ Himself implicitly placing you in importance to Him, and essentially intimidating anyone away from questioning you.

This is also typical of todays 'prophets".

I've heard enough.
Thank You.

 

[AnandaHya]

The importance is not to ME but to ANYONE who believes in GOD and the WORDS OF JESUS:
You still refuse to answer the question you put me to: what church do you belong to? How you judge so you will be judged I do not speak for my justification but your edification. You are walking alone down the wrong path and only JESUS can save you. you need to repent and pray for His mercy and forgiveness for you have judged me and others like me unjustly.


2 Corinthians 10:3-9 (New King James Version)

3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

Reality of Paul’s Authority


7 Do you look at things according to the outward appearance? If anyone is convinced in himself that he is Christ’s, let him again consider this in himself, that just as he is Christ’s, even so we are Christ’s.[a] 8 For even if I should boast somewhat more about our authority, which the Lord gave us for edification and not for your destruction, I shall not be ashamed— 9 lest I seem to terrify you by letters.

 

[paulnsilas]

How you judge so you will be judged I do not speak for my justification but your edification. You are walking alone down the wrong path and only JESUS can save you. you need to repent and pray for His mercy and forgiveness for you have judged me and others like me unjustly..

You're not speaking to my edification.
I find you to be a false prophet (i do not claim special gifts or callings such as prophet).

If you think i'm on the worng path, that's good news for me.

My dear ananda...Go re read your own posts of judgment upon others (even unto damnation) and rebuke. tisk tisk.

 

[AnandaHya]

Lord may Your Glory and Justice be made evident to all.

"whoever desires to be great among you, let him be your servant" Matthew 20:26

"and whatever things you ask in prayer, believing you will recieve." matt 21: 22

why did you not answer me with this Bible verse?

Ephesians: 1 v. 4?

"just as He chose us in Him before the foundations of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love?"

2 Corinthians 6: 14

God sees and judges our hearts. If you would test my words and faith then you should be ready to respond to question about your own.

 

[AnandaHya]

You're not speaking to my edification.
I find you to be a false prophet (i do not claim special gifts or callings such as prophet).

If you think i'm on the worng path, that's good news for me.

My dear ananda...Go re read your own posts of judgment upon others (even unto damnation) and rebuke. tisk tisk.

ok point them out to me. I do not judge people and you do claim something. the ability to judge that I am false.

what part of my message is false?

that you should worship God or that the Church should be united or that God will punish the world for disobedience?

Nothing in my message can NOT be found in the Bible. You can not like my usage of them or my presentation or ME as a person but the prophet is not judged by their personal attributes but by their MESSAGE.

so tell me what is it in my message you find FALSE?

I've pointed out what I found not quite in line with scripture and given you scripture to back it up.

 

[AnandaHya]

You're not speaking to my edification.
I find you to be a false prophet (i do not claim special gifts or callings such as prophet).

If you think i'm on the worng path, that's good news for me.

My dear ananda...Go re read your own posts of judgment upon others (even unto damnation) and rebuke. tisk tisk.

I guess the alligators will get her after all. Sometimes they don't come true....

If you had bothered to research me before judging the SPIRIT inside of me is false you would know that I did not claim to come by the gift of prophecy EXCEPT when the HOLY SPIRIT wants me to give a message to someone. the rest of the time I use my first spiritual gift, that of discernment of spirits and I'm learning and praying for the spiritual gifts of knowledge and wisdom.

You do not claim to have any spiritual gifts but you claim to have the right and DISCERNMENT to say that the spirit inside me is FALSE making me a FALSE prophet. which means that you have just blasphemied against the HOLY SPIRIT. For that is the spirit that resides inside my heart and anyone who has read my post and my words or knows me, KNOWS the truth of this. That the HOLY SPIRIT lives in the hearts of His children and I am one of His beloved daughters.

You will not claim a church but you ask for mine. You will not claim a spiritual gift but you degrade and scoff at mine. You will not answer questions but you would question me. I do not intimidate. I merely ask questions.

If you feel intimidated it is not by ME or my words. You need to pray and ask GOD why you feel threatened.

"Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil."

Now that you have judged me falsely, when God punishes you for your sins do not say you were not warned. It is not too late you can repent and ask God for forgiveness.

Here is my other cheek, would you like to strike it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdcyue0bSw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_rTX23V7Q&feature=related

Who am I? just a child of God looking for her siblings.

 

[mpaper345]

Mystery Babylon is Gentile,and not Jewish.She is referred to as the whore,and represents the one world religious system,that will include all religions of the world all reinterpreted with the New Age religion interpretation,all based on occultism,and all fundamental beliefs that are not compatible with that are not recognized.She is the mother of all the false religions,and represents all religions.She also represents the beast system for she rides the scarlet colored beast,at least for a time until they get rid of the whore.

When the beast appears claiming to be God,they will do away with the whore,the one world religious system,for they have no need of her anymore,for the beast will exalt himself above all that is called God or is worshipped,and they will worship the beast.

God will put down all Gentile nations,the beast system(Jeremiah 30:10-11),and restore the kingdom back to the Jews(Acts 1:6-8).

Mystery Babylon is the Gentile nations coming together in rebellion against God.

 

[AnandaHya]

just bookmarking this page so I can reread the original post in more detail.

YouTube - Who Am I - Casting Crowns

Irony is that Paulnsilas calls me the scribe and the pharisee. lol well the world can see the truth to that one. lol

Blessings to the children of God from your sister in Christ. Beware of the wolves in sheep's clothing and goats that think they are sheep and the leaven of the Pharisees and legalist.

 

[Dominion]

It was Berlin.